Is Canelo on PEDs like several of his team mates apparently are?

[margaret thatcher]

multiple guys from the same stable testing positive -- you gotta be suspicious about their 'nutrition' there

[tiny_acres]

After this latest positive test debacle in the camp many are and have been speculating that Canelo himself is also on some heavy PEDs.

This would help explain A LOT of the enigmas we've been unable to rationalize about his recent successes.

As a person whose trained at many gyms and has an extensive familiarity with PEDs I can say 100% that if one person in a tight circle like this is guilty of cheating the odds are about 99% that all or most of the others are as well.

I'm not making an official accusation but I am curious what others perspective is.

It does make you wonder doesn't it?
My personal opinion is I would think he is.
But hell I'm wrong most of the time according to my wife

[adislav123]

canelo not juicin, u dudes is ccc! crazy, cringe & corny as fvck!

just a jealous bunch of malignant shit biscuits.

it's that mezican beef. period.

[Cent0089]

Of course he is. Just like Golovkin, Plant, Charlo, Joshua, Davis, Lomachenko, Crawford, Klitschko,, Tyson, Holyfield, De la Hoya, Leonard, Hagler, Chavez, Foreman ............................................................................................................................................................................................

[tonyevs]

Of course he is. Just like Golovkin, Plant, Charlo, Joshua, Davis, Lomachenko, Crawford, Klitschko,, Tyson, Holyfield, De la Hoya, Leonard, Hagler, Chavez, Foreman ............................................................................................................................................................................................

I agree. I think those not using some sort of banned PED are the ones in the minority. You see it even in amateur gyms.

[apollo creed]

Imagine being on a regimen of mexican beef, mexican herbal tea and nasal sprays?!

What other guy from that stable was caught on peds?

It's such a pitty that these guys are getting paid in fortunes.

[Enlightened-One]

Is Canelo on PEDs like several of his team mates apparently are?

After this latest positive test debacle in the camp many are and have been speculating that Canelo himself is also on some heavy PEDs.

This would help explain A LOT of the enigmas we've been unable to rationalize about his recent successes.

As a person whose trained at many gyms and has an extensive familiarity with PEDs I can say 100% that if one person in a tight circle like this is guilty of cheating the odds are about 99% that all or most of the others are as well.

I'm not making an official accusation but I am curious what others perspective is.

Midway through 2108, Canelo enrolled in all year-round VADA testing (including out-of-competition) at his own expense.

He’s also been competing very often recently, which means he must have been constantly tested (on a random ongoing basis) by VADA for PED’s within the last twelve months, since he is always in training camp.

Of course, it’s entirely feasible that Canelo is consuming PED’s, but if he’s doing so, then he is either consuming a powerful concoction that isn’t included in WADA’s or VADA’s banned substance list, in which case he isn’t technically doing anything wrong… or he’s using particularly effective masking agents that prevents detection.

But if you think about it, if Canelo really is juicing, consuming a highly sophisticated combination of drugs in a manner that renders VADA’s drug testing protocols ineffective, then you’d have to assume his fellow training camp mates would be consuming the same substances and following the same regimen too.

So my gut instinct tells me that Canelo is either technically “clean” or Oscar Valdez has been consuming PED’s at his own initiative, which means he’s obtaining his drugs from a completely different source than Alvarez uses.

[adislav123]

i repeat; jealous corny ass malignant shit biscuits ya all!

canelo da best! he's training like a beast! eating healthy BEEF and shit!

that swollen wax mask of a face he wearing comes from irritation from the shitloads of sunscreen he applies all day.

ever heard of sun rash!

makes your chin swell too!

canelo a nature boi!

he ginger, light skinned, mezico hot af!

he'd get burnt up if he don't apply that shit wit both hands! hell! get real!

[Rocky-]

Everyone knows Clenelo is a drug cheat and it's nigh impossible to win on the cards against him.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I wouldn't assume guilt by association but it certainly doesnt look good

[Thomastearns]

This is cringingely similar to the Usain Bolt situation a few years back.

Most of his teammates tested positive but as far as we know, he didn't.

They're were both seen as big cash cows but the difference is that Clenelo has already popped twice for clenbuterol.

In fact Saul was the last big name to fail a test. A situation which resulted in a non existent punishment and grovelling apologies from the head of the WBC.

[Enlightened-One]

From May 2018, Canelo was enrolled in all year-round VADA testing (including out-of-competition) at his own expense.

He’s also been competing very often recently, which means he must have been constantly tested (on a random ongoing basis) by VADA/commissions for PED’s within the last twelve months, since he is always in training camp.

It’s reasonable to claim that Canelo might be the most VADA or commission tested fighter competing today.

I’m not suggesting the Mexican is 100% clean, but it’s surprising (to the point of being comical) to see so many people ignore these rather pertinent facts!

[gregregegg]

This is cringingely similar to the Usain Bolt situation a few years back.

Most of his teammates tested positive but as far as we know, he didn't.

They're were both seen as big cash cows but the difference is that Clenelo has already popped twice for clenbuterol.

In fact Saul was the last big name to fail a test. A situation which resulted in a non existent punishment and grovelling apologies from the head of the WBC.

Never bring bolts name into disrepute. Let me bury my head In the sand and be happy. Was a very interesting situation where suddenly a decent sprinting nation had 3 of the 4 fastest of all time, plus nesta and frete running low 9.8s on the sideline… but that was just hard work, dedication, and jerked chicken.

[H8Usernames]

31 votes for yes an 89% ratio. From who? People who have failed to achieve success in their own lives and are blaming it on the other people who are all such bad cheaters?

If you are not cheating then you aren't trying hard enough to win. But what about those who aren't trying hard enough to win? Those people mostly come from good backgrounds and have lived relatively traumafree lives so in a way they won without ever competing. This b1tching and whining about others cheating however is pathetic and shameful. If becoming Canelo is sooo easy then go stick needles in your arms or shut the fck up.

[Enlightened-One]

How many members of Eddy Reynoso’s stable have failed drug tests within the last 3½ years?

Apologies if I’ve not been keeping up with things, but apart from Oscar Valdez, I can’t think of any, but according to the comments in this thread, there are loads of them.

But I can’t think of any.

Perhaps someone can do me a favour and name them?

[adislav123]

matter of fact is that fvckin EVERYBODY in professional combat sports is taking or at some point in time took some shit that is or was illegal.

the reasons for getting caught range from really taking it by accident over bad luck to plain idiocy or a mix of those.

there may be a handful of absolutely CLEAN BY ALL THE BOOKS athletes who really never ever ingested (un)knowingly a banned substance.

are/were they to find at the very top of their divisions? i doubt it.

[apollo creed]

Besides Canelo and Valdez, what other fighters from that stable were failing drug tests?

[SFW]

Wasn't there another guy, Mexican dude 3 names, who failed from that camp? Did Ryan Garcia not immediately use the mental health excuse to cancel a fight before being tested then just weeks later say he's fine? Didn't Ruiz jr. lose an insane amount of weight within weeks of joining that camp? Canelo caught red handed twice, Valdez caught now... maybe the folks who've been calling them out from the jump were right..

I'd like to see all the records of actual tests taken by Canelo, because being on that WBC list does not mean they were tested it means they can be tested. Actual proof would be nice. Not just assumption. It only makes sense to be skeptical now, or you are not paying attention.

[Enlightened-One]

Wasn't there another guy, Mexican dude 3 names, who failed from that camp?

What's his name? If you can't find it, then we have to assume it didn't happen.

Did Ryan Garcia not immediately use the mental health excuse to cancel a fight before being tested then just weeks later say he's fine?

Mental health isn't synonymous with PED usage or failing a VADA test.

Didn't Ruiz jr. lose an insane amount of weight within weeks of joining that camp?

Morbidly obese people can lose an enormous amount of weight without PED's.

Canelo caught red handed twice

Canelo was caught once via two samples.

Under the current drug policy rules regarding clenbuterol, Canelo would have never tested positive for a banned substance nor served a suspension

Valdez caught now...

Agreed.

... maybe the folks who've been calling them out from the jump were right..

The only member of Eddy Reynoso’s stable that's failed a drug test within the last 3½ years is Oscar Valdez.

I'd like to see all the records of actual tests taken by Canelo, because being on that WBC list does not mean they were tested it means they can be tested.

Actual proof would be nice. Not just assumption. It only makes sense to be skeptical now, or you are not paying attention.

This information isn't available for any fighter, let alone Canelo.

[IRONFIST]

Of course he is.

[apollo creed]

multiple guys from the same stable testing positive -- you gotta be suspicious about their 'nutrition' there

What other fighters from that stable were failing drug tests? Some news?

[margaret thatcher]

multiple guys from the same stable testing positive -- you gotta be suspicious about their 'nutrition' there

What other fighters from that stable were failing drug tests? Some news?

pscar valdez, where you been bruh?

[apollo creed]

multiple guys from the same stable testing positive -- you gotta be suspicious about their 'nutrition' there

What other fighters from that stable were failing drug tests? Some news?

pscar valdez, where you been bruh?

I know about Valdez and Canelo. I was asking if there were others from that stable too?

[IRONFIST]

Of course he is.

Wow I have to admit when I created this poll I had no idea that around 90% of others were also smart enough to see Canelo for what he really is...

It doesn't take a genius to work that out, a man who got rocked by Cotto's brother and going the distance with Matthew Hatton a few years ago, suddenly punching like a mule and stopping a light heavy and breaking bones of bigger fighters etc.

[Enlightened-One]

Of course he is.

Wow I have to admit when I created this poll I had no idea that around 90% of others were also smart enough to see Canelo for what he really is...

It doesn't take a genius to work that out, a man who got rocked by Cotto's brother and going the distance with Matthew Hatton a few years ago, suddenly punching like a mule and stopping a light heavy and breaking bones of bigger fighters etc.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out that you’re not using your brain:

• Canelo was 19 years of age when he fought Jose Cotto. He was facing a mature fighter that had only previously suffered one defeat during the course of 33 bouts.

• Canelo was only 20 years of age when he fought Matthew Hatton, with the Brit having previously engaged in 47 bouts. It was the Mexican's very first world title fight.

• Canelo was 29½ years of age when he fought Sergey Kovalev. It was the Mexican’s 56th fight, 15th world title bout and also the 15th time he was sharing the ring with a former/current world champion.

Let's perform a comparison:

• Manny Pacquiao was 20 years of age when he suffered a third round KO defeat to Boonsai Sangsurat, whilst campaigning at 112lbs. Manny's opponent had previously engaged in only 18 bouts.

• Manny Pacquiao was 29 years of age and competing as a welterweight when he scored a dominant 8th round stoppage over Oscar De La Hoya.

If you compared Canelo's performance levels and fighting weights at the ages of 20 and 29 to GGG, you'll find a lot of similarities.