Eubank Jr:"The fight [against Golovkin] has to happen, and it will happen within the next 12 months”; The lost pen

[Enlightened-One]

son, you're very good at being a forum clown! Good job!

Are my claims regarding Saunders and Derevyanchenko factually inaccurate?

Do you honestly believe GGG would be willing to face Derevyanchenko again?

Other fighters get ridiculed for refusing rematches when they’ve been unfairly gifted victories, but not GGG?

Oh wait! You’ll probably realise I’m 100% right, so you’ll inevitably concede defeat, by resorting to personal insults instead!

So bring it on… admit to being proven wrong by insulting me, because it’s not as if you’re able to do anything else, are you?

Let me breathe in all the smoke!

So, GGG fought Canelo twice, a far tougher fight than Saunders or Derevyanchenko but ducked them both.

It’s been four years since Golovkin delivered a performance impressive enough to justify his claim as being the very best the 160lbs division has to offer.

In May 2018, GGG preferred to vacate his IBF title, rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

Instead, he chose to engage in the horrendous mismatch against Vanes Martiroysian.

The following year, after suffering a close but legitimate loss to Canelo, Golovkin finally agreed to face the Ukraine, and was controversially proclaimed the winner of a fight the vast majority claimed he’d lost.

Gennadiy will never agree to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko ever again. He’d rather vacate his IBF strap again rather than agree to facing an opponent he knows he can’t beat.

Apart from the Canelo and Derevyanchenko defeats, GGG has primarily engaged in mismatches (i.e. Martiroysian, Szeremeta and Rolls).

And let’s not forget that Tom Loeffler confirmed that Gennadiy Golovkin has twice decided to walk away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders, even though the terms of both contests had been agreed, with the Brit even going as far as signing two separate fight contracts.

It’s an undeniable fact that in 2018, GGG ducked the unbeaten iteration of Sergiy Derevyanchenko. And even Gennadiy’s promoter confirmed Golovkin's refusal to take the Saunders bouts.

These claims aren't based purely on opinions – do your research and you’ll very quickly find sufficient compelling evidence to automatically conclude that my words accurately reflect historical reality.

Put it this way, what has GGG achieved since the 16th September 2017? Because in my mind, time doesn’t stand still!

GGG is a dead-cert first-ballot future Hall-of-Famer, and nothing can change that, but in 2021, he can no longer be regarded as the very best middleweight on the planet, because he's almost forty years of age and he isn't willing to face the finest in his own weight class!

[apollo creed]

It’s an undeniable fact that the version of Jacobs that fought GGG&Canelo was a better quality fighter than Charlo, BJS or Andrade.

Also it's an undeniable fact that GGG fought even a sharpen version of Chenko-that gave Jacobs a tough, tough fight!

Not to mention that G fought Canelo x2 times(who is the p4p fighter) and in the first fight G technically beat Canelo. A draw vs Canelo= you beat him.

[apollo creed]

Also a 40 y/o G is gonna fight another good name and a mw champion in Murata in a big event in Japan, meanwhile fighters like Charlo, Eubank Jr and Andrade are staying safe and keep avoiding each other. And thats an irrefutable-undeniable fact!

[Enlightened-One]

It’s an undeniable fact that the version of Jacobs that fought GGG&Canelo was a better quality fighter than Charlo, BJS or Andrade.

I was impressed by Gennadiy’s willingness to face Daniel Jacobs, but I thought the outcome could have gone either way.

It wasn’t a robbery, so there’s nothing wrong with believing Golovkin won that fight. And perhaps he deserved the win in that one. But GGG was never interested in the rematch, was he?

Jacobs was rated above Saunders, when he faced GGG. But the Brit’s performance in the Lemieux bout, which occurred around the same period, was deeply impressive.

That said, Golovkin was willing to face Jacobs, but not Saunders though, hence Billy Joe’s “lost the pen” insults, which Tom Loeffler conceded to being factually-correct.

During March 2017, neither Andrade nor Charlo competed at 160lbs. Jacobs would today lose to both of those guys (at 160lbs).

Also it's an undeniable fact that GGG fought even a sharpen version of Chenko-that gave Jacobs a tough, tough fight!

I can't agree with this.

Golovkin was willing to vacate his IBF title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

And GGG's controversial victory over Derevyanchenko is sandwiched by two horrendous mismatches.

So no one knows for certain whether Derevyanchenko raised his game or GGG's lacklustre performance was due to being well past-his-prime.

I'd love to see you prove this so-called "undeniable fact".

Not to mention that G fought Canelo x2 times(who is the p4p fighter) and in the first fight G technically beat Canelo. A draw vs Canelo= you beat him.

It’s been four years since Golovkin delivered a performance impressive enough to justify his claim as being the very best the 160lbs division has to offer.

After suffering a close but legitimate loss to Canelo in the rematch, Golovkin followed it up by being deemed a controversial victor over Derevyanchenko in a fight most believed he lost.

Apart from the Canelo and Derevyanchenko defeats, GGG has primarily engaged in mismatches (i.e. Martiroysian, Szeremeta and Rolls) within the last four years.

Why pretend that time stands still?

[apollo creed]

Are you blame a 40 y/o fighter that fought the best in his era like ( Lemieux,Jacobs,Canelox2 and Chenko) and now he's gonna fight another mw champion in Murata in Japan, for not fighting some 31-33 y/o guys that are unwilling to fight each other ? lol

G is 40 and he's gonna fight a mw champion in his home country and those guys are 9-10 y younger than G and they don't want to take the risk and fight each other. G done all his hard work.

[adislav123]

Are you blame a 40 y/o fighter that beat the best in his era like ( Lemieux,Jacobs,Canelox2 and Chenko) and now he's gonna fight another mw champion in Murata in Japan, for not fighting some 31-33 y/o guys that are unwilling to fight each other ? lol

G is 40 and he's gonna fight a mw champion in his home country and those guys are 9-10 y younger than G and they don't want to take the risk and fight each other. G done all his hard work.

[adislav123]

ggg beat everybody he faced, canelo twice. back 2 back.

[Enlightened-One]

Are you blame a 40 y/o fighter that fought the best in his era like ( Lemieux,Jacobs,Canelox2 and Chenko) and now he's gonna fight another mw champion in Murata in Japan, for not fighting some 31-33 y/o guys that are unwilling to fight each other ? lol

G is 40 and he's gonna fight a mw champion in his home country and those guys are 9-10 y younger than G and they don't want to take the risk and fight each other. G done all his hard work.

The pinnacle of GGG’s career was up to and including the first Canelo bout.

Gennadiy enjoyed a Hall-of-Fame worthy career until the Canelo loss in their rematch.

From that point in time, he declined.

So GGG has been on the decline for the last four years.

I have no doubt that the prime iteration of GGG beats every 160lb-er competing today.

However, he’s on the cusp of forty years of age. And I don’t think he’s capable of beating Andrade, Charlo and Derevyanchenko.

[apollo creed]

Let's not forget that G was about 34 y/o when he fought a 30 y/o Jacobs and he was 35 y/o when he fought a 26-27 y/o Canelo!

G had a disadvantage in age compared with those fighters.

Charlo , Eubank Jr, Andrade and Munguia should fight each other, period! Staying safe and wait the right call from Canelo or G is annoying. Sunders was a lucky mof with that smw WBO belt, bc Canelo wanted it.

[apollo creed]

ggg beat everybody he faced, canelo twice. back 2 back.

Pretty much yes but tbh Chenko hurt G and gave him a tough fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Charlo , Eubank Jr, Andrade and Munguia should fight each other, period! Staying safe and wait the right call from Canelo or G is annoying. Sunders was a lucky mof with that smw WBO belt, bc Canelo wanted it.

Canelo is not a 160lb-er. And by the time the Mexican faces Caleb Plant in November, Alvarez would have only engaged in one middleweight contest within a 38-month timeframe.

We’ll never see Canelo compete at 160lbs ever again.

There’s no logical reason for the top dogs at 160lbs to refrain from facing each other.

The likes of Charlo, Andrade, Munguia, Eubank Jr., Murata, and GGG should either face each other or make the jump to 168lbs, otherwise they’re time wasters that deserve criticism.

Don’t get me wrong, the middleweight division (in general) is currently in a rancid state, because none of the big names are fighting each other.

Anyway, Eubank Jr. and Murata are the only familiar names I can imagine GGG facing within the next twelve months, because they're weak opposition capable of providing him with decent paydays.

Golovkin will never fight Andrade or Charlo. And if I'm proven wrong, it'll only be because GGG is eager to receive a massive retirement payday to engage in a passing-of-the-torch bout.

By the time GGG steps foot inside the ring against Murata on the 28th December, Gennadiy would have only scored one legitimate victory over a 31-month timeframe, which was the Kamil Szeremeta mismatch.

Time doesn't stand still!

[apollo creed]

lol son, now G's body is old, so he needs to stay healthy and injury-free bc G had enough wear and tear.

Atm G is a boxing star and his status allows him to fight the best fights that make sense for him at his age.

The funny thing is if you look at Andrade, Charlo and Eubank Jr resumes for 2021, their opposition is poor compared with G's future next opponent in Murata.

[Enlightened-One]

lol son, now G's body is old, so he needs to stay healthy and injury-free bc G had enough wear and tear.

He's inactive. By the time he enters the ring against Murata, he would have previously engaged in only two fights within a 31-month timeframe.

Atm G is a boxing star and his status allows him to fight the best fights that make sense for him at his age.

Normally I would agree with this, but no one can explain Rolls and Szeremeta. And before you claim the latter was the mandatory challenger, Loeffler and Hearn claimed they lobbied the IBF to grant Kamil this status.

Simply out, GGG cherry-picked Rolls and Szeremeta.

The funny thing is if you look at Andrade, Charlo and Eubank Jr resumes for 2021, their opposition is poor compared with G's future next opponent in Murata.

According to Dan Rafael, DAZN weren't interested in paying for Golovkin to engage in an interim stay-busy fight against another no-name opponent, whilst waiting to face Murata in December.

GGG signed a $100m deal with DAZN and the streaming service aren't pleased with their return to-date, mainly because of Rolls and Szeremeta.

I’m not sure about what your opinion is, but I’m confident that Andrade, Charlo and Eubank Jr. would all be willing to face superior opposition if they were on the receiving end of the same deal that GGG is getting from DAZN.

[apollo creed]

son, Canelo also cherrypicked Liam Smith, chiny Khan, JCCjr and Rocky Fielding and you're not obsessively ranting about that like you do in G's case.

Fact: Even if G is gonna fight one time in 2021, Murata is a better opponent than what Andrade, Charlo and Eubank Jr fought to date in 2021.

[adislav123]

ggg beat everybody he faced, canelo twice. back 2 back.

Pretty much yes but tbh Chenko hurt G and gave him a tough fight.

not argueing that, still you can give him the fight.

what u can't do is give canelo the 2nd golovkin fight, with ggg the champion, still the aggressor, still throwing and landing more just cause canelo tried to stand his ground a bit more.

judged all the close rounds in canelo's favour ggg is still one round up.

if u gift canelo one round it could've been judged a draw.

you just can't legit give that fight to canelo.

robbery.

[apollo creed]

ggg beat everybody he faced, canelo twice. back 2 back.

Pretty much yes but tbh Chenko hurt G and gave him a tough fight.

not argueing that, still you can give him the fight.

what u can't do is give canelo the 2nd golovkin fight, with ggg the champion, still the aggressor, still throwing and landing more just cause canelo tried to stand his ground a bit more.

judged all the close rounds in canelo's favour ggg is still one round up.

if u gift canelo one round it could've been judged a draw.

you just can't legit give that fight to canelo.

robbery.

Chenko gave G the toughest fight as a pro but also G landed some nasty punches on Chenko's face. That knockdown pretty much made the difference.

Technically G won the first fight with Canelo and imo the rematch was G's best fight as a pro.

What people tend to forget or neglected is the difference in age between GGG and Canelo,Jacobs and Chenko! Canelo was/is 8 YEARS YOUNGER THAN GGG, Jacobs was/is 5 years younger than G and Chenko was/is 4 years younger than G!

Age was a big factor.

30 y/o G vs 30 y/o Canelo, Jacobs and Chenko would show that G is their daddy big f-cking time!

[Enlightened-One]

son, Canelo also cherrypicked Liam Smith, chiny Khan, JCCjr and Rocky Fielding and you're not obsessively ranting about that like you do in G's case.

Fact: Even if G is gonna fight one time in 2021, Murata is a better opponent than what Andrade, Charlo and Eubank Jr fought to date in 2021.

Why did you mention Canelo?

We're discussing GGG?

Is that your debating tactic? If you can't defend or refute something, you resort to changing the topic, by mentioning the names of other fighters that are irrelevant to the original discussion?

Anyway, let's rewind the clock a bit, is there anything detailed in my previous post that you disagree with and don't consider factually-accurate?

If the answer is "no" (and let's face it, it can't be anything else), then let's just end the discussion there.

If you want to discuss Canelo, let's do that in another thread.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

EO how did you score GGG vs Canelo 1?

[apollo creed]

EO how did you score GGG vs Canelo 1?

good tricky question for eo

I guess he didn't bc he doesn't care, but let him search on internet for a score card of that fight and twist it in his own way.

[Enlightened-One]

EO how did you score GGG vs Canelo 1?

I've answered the question at least a dozen times.

If you're so curious about my opinion of this fight, then look it up.

I'm discussing the past-his-prime risk averse version of GGG that we've witnessed for the last four years, not the pre-2018 dead cert first ballot future Hall-of-Famer version that no longer exists.

Unlike many, I don't believe that time stands still. This section of the forum is known as the "Current Scene" not the “Celebrate Nostalgia” section!

In twelve months’ time, GGG will engage in another mismatch stay-busy fight, and instead of criticising him for it, all you’ll do is refer to the first Canelo bout that took place five years prior.

[apollo creed]

lol @ eo

Bottom line is GGG had a very hard road as a foreign&non english speaking fighter , yet he succeeded with hard work, being a clean athlete, humbleness and dedication to strive and become a boxing star@ MW.

Imagine if GGG was from US, Mexico, Uk or Puerto Rico, his road to become a boxing star would've been much easier.

Fact: IBF champion Golovkin is gonna fight the super WBA 160 champion Ryota Murata in Japan which basically would be the best match made at 160 in 2021.

[Enlightened-One]

Fact: IBF champion Golovkin is gonna fight the super WBA 160 champion Ryota Murata in Japan which basically would be the best match made at 160 in 2021.

To be fair, that's not such a challenging feat, is it? The calibre of middleweight bouts (in general) for the last three years has been pretty dire.

And with most of the top-dogs at 160lbs unwilling to face each other, that sorry state of affairs is going to continue indefinitely.

The highest profile middleweight bout within the last twelve months was Jermall Charlo's highly-deserved victory over Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

You'll probably disagree with me, but Charlo's victory over Derevyanchenko is a more impressive win than GGG over Murata.

Regardless, I'm sure we'll both agree that the middleweight division is in a terrible state right now, because the best aren't facing the best.

[apollo creed]

Fact: IBF champion Golovkin is gonna fight the super WBA 160 champion Ryota Murata in Japan which basically would be the best match made at 160 in 2021.

To be fair, that's not such a challenging feat, is it? The calibre of middleweight bouts (in general) for the last three years has been pretty dire.

And with most of the top-dogs at 160lbs unwilling to face each other, that sorry state of affairs is going to continue indefinitely.

The highest profile middleweight bout within the last twelve months was Jermall Charlo's highly-deserved victory over Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

You'll probably disagree with me, but Charlo's victory over Derevyanchenko is a more impressive win than GGG over Murata.

Regardless, I'm sure we'll both agree that the middleweight division is in a terrible state right now, because the best aren't facing the best.

I said for 2021, son! If Charlo would fight Andrade, then it's a better competitive match.

But what about :

Bottom line is GGG had a very hard road as a foreign&non english speaking fighter , yet he succeeded with hard work, being a clean athlete, humbleness and dedication to strive and become a boxing star@ MW.

Imagine if GGG was from US, Mexico, Uk or Puerto Rico, his road to become a boxing star would've been much easier.

AND: What people tend to forget or neglected is the difference in age between GGG and Canelo,Jacobs and Chenko! Canelo was/is 8 YEARS YOUNGER THAN GGG, Jacobs was/is 5 years younger than G and Chenko was/is 4 years younger than G!

G deserves even more credit bc of these things!

[Thomastearns]

Fact: IBF champion Golovkin is gonna fight the super WBA 160 champion Ryota Murata in Japan which basically would be the best match made at 160 in 2021.

To be fair, that's not such a challenging feat, is it? The calibre of middleweight bouts (in general) for the last three years has been pretty dire.

And with most of the top-dogs at 160lbs unwilling to face each other, that sorry state of affairs is going to continue indefinitely.

The highest profile middleweight bout within the last twelve months was Jermall Charlo's highly-deserved victory over Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

You'll probably disagree with me, but Charlo's victory over Derevyanchenko is a more impressive win than GGG over Murata.

Regardless, I'm sure we'll both agree that the middleweight division is in a terrible state right now, because the best aren't facing the best.

I said for 2021, son! If Charlo would fight Andrade, then it's a better competitive match.

But what about :

Bottom line is GGG had a very hard road as a foreign&non english speaking fighter , yet he succeeded with hard work, being a clean athlete, humbleness and dedication to strive and become a boxing star@ MW.

Imagine if GGG was from US, Mexico, Uk or Puerto Rico, his road to become a boxing star would've been much easier.

AND: What people tend to forget or neglected is the difference in age between GGG and Canelo,Jacobs and Chenko! Canelo was/is 8 YEARS YOUNGER THAN GGG, Jacobs was/is 5 years younger than G and Chenko was/is 4 years younger than G!

G deserves even more credit bc of these things!

Quite right.

Where you started from and which route you were forced to take should always be taken into consideration.

Few who ever managed to scale the same heights would have had it much harder than GGG.

And Manny Pacquiao might be one of those few.

And before Manny, there was a certain Mike Tyson...

[apollo creed]

To be fair, that's not such a challenging feat, is it? The calibre of middleweight bouts (in general) for the last three years has been pretty dire.

And with most of the top-dogs at 160lbs unwilling to face each other, that sorry state of affairs is going to continue indefinitely.

The highest profile middleweight bout within the last twelve months was Jermall Charlo's highly-deserved victory over Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

You'll probably disagree with me, but Charlo's victory over Derevyanchenko is a more impressive win than GGG over Murata.

Regardless, I'm sure we'll both agree that the middleweight division is in a terrible state right now, because the best aren't facing the best.

I said for 2021, son! If Charlo would fight Andrade, then it's a better competitive match.

But what about :

Bottom line is GGG had a very hard road as a foreign&non english speaking fighter , yet he succeeded with hard work, being a clean athlete, humbleness and dedication to strive and become a boxing star@ MW.

Imagine if GGG was from US, Mexico, Uk or Puerto Rico, his road to become a boxing star would've been much easier.

AND: What people tend to forget or neglected is the difference in age between GGG and Canelo,Jacobs and Chenko! Canelo was/is 8 YEARS YOUNGER THAN GGG, Jacobs was/is 5 years younger than G and Chenko was/is 4 years younger than G!

G deserves even more credit bc of these things!

Quite right.

Where you started from and which route you were forced to take should always be taken into consideration.

Few who ever managed to scale the same heights would have had it much harder than GGG.

And Manny Pacquiao might be one of those few.

And before Manny, there was a certain Mike Tyson...

Yep Pac too. He had a very,very hard road.

So, it tells us a lot about how good GGG was when at 35 y/o technically beat a 27 y/o Canelo.