Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | ESPN - September 10, 2021

Who wins?

Poll ended at 10 Sep 2021, 12:45

Valdez - Decision
2
11%
Valdez - T/KO
11
61%
DRAW
1
6%
Conceica - T/KO
0
No votes
Conceica - Decision
4
22%
 
Total votes: 18

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 05 Sep 2021, 07:45
handsofstone wrote: 05 Sep 2021, 07:30
margaret thatcher wrote: 05 Sep 2021, 05:24 i like that fight more than the main event.....conceica or whatever he's called nowadays a hard watch for me and i dont think quite so formidable as a pro
I was thinking he was the guy who lost his pro debut at first, was that Ramirez??
Yh. That roebesy Ramirez
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 14:15 9 times out of 10, the B sample is same as the A sample.
It is 10 out of 10. Literally the only way it wouldnt be is because of tampering.
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lazboy wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 17:59 So...explain, I’m fairly naive with this stuff, is a diuretic effectively a masking agent? Something to flush and conceal other peds in the system?
Yes.
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Timothy Bradley On Oscar Valdez: I Hope He Gets Knocked Out

Boxing's latest scandal has left Timothy Bradley with smoke coming out of his ears.

The retired welterweight champion and current ESPN commentator had some harsh words for Oscar Valdez, the WBC junior lightweight titleholder who will make the first defense of his title against Robson Conceicao on Sept.10 in Tucson, Arizona, during a recent episode of the ESPN+ show State of Boxing.

Bradley, of course, was reacting to the news of Valdez testing positive the past week for the banned substance Phentermine, a prescription-only weight-loss supplement best known for suppressing one’s appetite. Although the substance is banned by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA), as part of their “zero tolerance” philosophy, it is not prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency when it is used “out of competition.”

As neither outfit actually possesses adjudicating power, the matter was left to the local athletic commission, the Pascua Yaqui Tribe, to hand down a verdict. On Thursday the commission deemed Valdez eligible to move forward with the fight. The next day the WBC followed suit, allowing its junior lightweight title to be on the line.

Bradley, suffice to say, was livid.

“I wish [Conceicao] knocks [Valdez] the hell out,” Bradley said. “That’s what I hope. I hope for a miracle. If this fight goes on, if nothing changes, I hope he gets knocked out, seriously.”

Bradley went on to say that he was a great admirer of Valdez, especially after the way the latter stopped Miguel Berchelt in their 130-pound title bout in February. Valdez, the underdog in that fight, won by 10th round knockout, courtesy of a highlight reel-worthy left hook.

“And I’m a fan of Oscar Valdez,” Bradley continued. “I am. I’m hurt by this. I’m really hurt by this. I went on national TV, on live TV, and said that this guy is now my hero after he defeated Berchelt.

“I’m sick to my stomach about this situation, and I think that whether it’s from the tea or not or whatever it is nobody cares about that. You tested positive. Everybody can think whatever the heck they want to think and I’m thinking that you’re dirty, my friend. That’s just it. I’m done.”

Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) recently put out a statement claiming his innocence.

"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance,” Valdez said in a video posted on his social media. “I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional.”
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I smell an upset coming-Valdez getting knocked out wouldn't surprise me at all.
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This is just so shit and sad.

You just have to shrug and say “they’re all at it” or else you go mad.

I love boxing, but it’s shit isn’t it ?
I mean, I get money talks - “slap on the wrist”, back in 6 months and pretend it didn’t happen - we’re all guilty of that aren’t we ?

But Valdez isn’t even getting a slap on the wrist !
More like getting wanked off under the table.
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And I’m another one who loved the Berchelt fight and thought “wow -I didn’t realise Valdez was thatgood !
He wasn’t.
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Feel there is a massive over reaction here. What he did is legal under WADA rules. I understand he was enrolled in vada, but only a tiny fraction of fights use vada. In 99% of fights this is legal.

I understand they were unrolled in vada, but mabey they had checked wadas banned substance list, seen it was fine and (wrongly) assumed the world anti doping agency would know a thing or two.

Vada wada usada ect ect ect desperately need to consolidate 1 list for boxing.

Seems weird he would dope with somthing that he knew was illegal under vada, knowing he is tested by vada also knowing it’s effects are so minimal out of compition that other agency’s allow it.

If it is ignorance it’s still should be punished a bit, if it’s intentional it’s weird. but hard for me to cry about it when if this failed test would of been considered fine for the 99% if fighters not enrolled in vada.
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Oh come on !
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Boxing is a disgrace
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 06 Sep 2021, 19:05 Boxing is a disgrace
It's in terrible shape. Not sure how things will pan out for boxing in general.
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lazboy wrote: 06 Sep 2021, 19:33
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 06 Sep 2021, 19:05 Boxing is a disgrace
It's in terrible shape. Not sure how things will pan out for boxing in general.
Ive been of the glass half full for a while but the garbage time is lasting longer than i hoped
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WBC Prez Defends Decision To Sanction Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceicao

Sulaiman believes his organization made the right decision.

"An adverse analytical finding of an out-of-competition test of our super featherweight champion Oscar Valdez was announced. Very unfortunately, many fans, many members of the boxing community with vested interests, and some media outlets and individuals reacted immediately, without even understanding what had happened. 'Positive Test!' 'Guilty!' 'Crucify the cheater'; the desire to see punishment is what moves today's society, scandal, cheating, fraud, and tragedies. There is no 'will investigate' and 'balance the facts' in order to arrive at a final conclusion. The premature judgments are mostly based in assumptions," Sulaiman said.

"The World Boxing Council is the only organization that has a program that works around the world to combat the use of prohibited substances. The WBC has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars, and has endured significant problems, especially when positive tests have come out during the six years of operation of the Clean Boxing Program.

"The program was designed and implemented with an expert agency, VADA, which administers it and is responsible for establishing the list of prohibited substances, which athletes will be subjected to random tests through collection of samples without notice, as well as sending them to the laboratory plus promptly reporting the results.

"From there, when there is an adverse result, the administration of our organization enters to manage the protocol to be followed, and it is the WBC who is in charge of results management and imposing the corresponding actions and penalties. A series of actions were carried out to be able to study, analyze and understand all the aspects. Hearings were held with various parties involved and in the end a resolution was given.

"Oscar Valdez continues as the defending champion. The fight on September 10 will be for the world championship. He will be subject to an important series of actions related to what happened, with the aim of monitoring his performance in the months to come and educating him and his entire team on the issues of nutrition, hydration, weight management and prohibited substances; all at a significant economic cost to himself.

"In order to issue the final resolution, important considerations were carefully assessed: the type of substance and its properties; It is a medicine that suppresses the appetite and does not give any competitive advantage. The levels of the substance, which were 77 nanograms per milliliter, while the allowed limit is 50. The test was taken a month before the fight and the next test, taken on August 30, came back negative.

"The history of Valdez, as a two Olympic Games and as professional has had more than 30 tests without ever having a doping problem; In addition, he is widely recognized by all members of the boxing community, pointing to him as a hardworking, clean, dedicated young nan with an impeccable record.

"It is a real shame that there are those who do not have the slightest intention of studying and understanding what happened; They are not interested in seeing that it was a transparent and consistent process to the regulation, and they only choose to have their own opinion, their own conclusion, and thus express it publicly, hurting the image of a young person, as well as the integrity of the sport and the WBC.

"I am convinced that time will prove a lot about this sad episode, but it will also help to improve some of the things about how the Clean Boxing Program is managed."
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Press Release | Undercard Information

Puerto Rico’s next superstar hopes to break through with a statement-making performance under the desert sun. Xander Zayas, the 19-year-old puncher from San Juan, will step up in class when he meets Jose Luis Sanchez in a six-round junior middleweight bout this Friday, Sept. 10 at the AVA Amphitheater at Casino Del Sol in Tucson, Arizona.

Zayas-Sanchez and an eight-round lightweight battle between the unbeaten Raymond “Danger” Muratalla and Ecuador’s Jose Angulo will be part of the undercard of Oscar Valdez’s WBC super featherweight world title defense against unbeaten Brazilian Robson Conceicao.

The undercard, which also includes WBO flyweight world champion Junto Nakatani’s title defense against Angel “Tito” Acosta, will stream live and exclusively on ESPN+ at 5:30 p.m. ET/2:30 p.m. PT. ESPN+ will also stream Valdez-Conceicao and a 10-round junior lightweight showdown between Gabriel Flores Jr. and Luis Alberto Lopez starting at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT.

Promoted by Top Rank, limited tickets priced at $25 are on sale now and can be purchased by visiting Etix.com.

Zayas (9-0, 7 KOs) has emerged as one of the sport’s top prospects since debuting as a 17-year-old in October 2019. He fought four times in 2020 and has already fought three times in 2021. He shut out James Martin over six rounds in February, blasted out Demarcus Layton in 56 seconds in April, and followed that up with a third-round demolition over Irish veteran Larry Fryers in June. The Fryers fight was Zayas’ welterweight finale, as he’s testing the junior middleweight waters versus Albuquerque native Sanchez (11-1-1, 4 KOs), who is coming off a draw in May against respected spoiler Adrian Granados. Sanchez has not lost since 2013.

Muratalla (12-0, 10 KOs), a Robert Garcia-trained Southern California native, has notched seven consecutive knockout wins. The 24-year-old shined a pair of times last year inside the MGM Grand Las Vegas Bubble and stood out in May on the Josh Taylor-Jose Ramirez undercard with a fifth-round knockout over 30-fight veteran Jose Gallegos. Angulo (14-2, 7 KOs) has won two straight fights since a majority decision defeat to then-unbeaten prospect Alejandro Guerrero.

In other undercard action on ESPN+:

2016 Mexican Olympian Lindolfo Delgado (12-0, 11 KOs), who made his Top Rank debut June 19 with a unanimous decision over Salvador Briceno, returns against Miguel Zamudio (45-16-1, 28 KOs) in an eight-rounder at junior welterweight.

René Telléz Girón (15-1, 9 KOs), who owns a December 2019 knockout victory over top prospect Karlos Balderas, will face Texas native Eduardo Garza (15-4-1, 8 KOs) in an eight-rounder at junior lightweight. Giron has fought once since the Balderas triumph, knocking out Guadalupe Acosta Rodriguez last November in seven rounds.

Mexican junior welterweight knockout artist Omar “Pollo” Aguilar (21-0, 20 KOs) will step up in class against Paraguay’s Carlos Manuel Portillo (22-3, 17 KOs) in an eight-rounder. Aguilar has 15 first-round knockouts on his ledger and has not been extended past three rounds since December 2018.

Tucson's Jose "Fosforito" Ramirez will make his official pro debut against fellow Arizona native Miguel Ceballos (2-0, 2 KOs) in a four-rounder at junior featherweight.
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Tickets start at $25 wow!

Would never get that in the UK even for small hall shows..
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It’s happening because the commission is following WADA.
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At Wednesday's final press conference, this is what the combatants had to say.

Oscar Valdez: “I feel blessed that I get the chance to step in the ring on September 10. I’m very grateful to Top Rank, the Pascua Yaqui {Tribal Gaming Commission} for letting this fight proceed, and I’ve just been very concentrated. Coming here to my second home in Tucson means a lot to me. People know my last two fights were without a crowd due to COVID and what better way to come back as a champion than in front of my people with all of Sonora and Arizona here? I’m just excited. I’ve been very focused on not looking at anything negative out there. It has been a little difficult — I can’t lie — but this is what we have to go through. This is what it’s going to be.

“This is when you realize who the real people are around you, who are loyal to you and got your back. I realize that my family is number one and also my team. I have to thank everyone on my team, {including} my manager, Frank Espinoza, and my trainer, Eddy Reynoso. My father has always been there with me. Just everyone who has been around supporting me during these tough times because it has been difficult. They had my back, and we know we did nothing wrong. We’re going to be real concentrated for this fight.

“{Our amateur bout} was a back-and-forth fight, but I lost. I always took my losses very seriously. Everybody hates losing, and I’m one of them. I’m a sore loser. Now that I get the chance to fight him as a professional, I’m taking this fight very seriously like all the fights. I’m defending my title, and I’m going to do whatever it takes and whatever I got to defend my title and avenge my loss.”


Robson Conceicao: “When I fought him {as an amateur}, it was a tough fight. I fought him and the crowd, and it motivated me a lot and made me happy. Here we have the same thing. I fight against two opponents, him and the crowd… and I will be the winner.

“This is a very important moment for me, the most important moment in my life. I’m happy I’m here and not alone. I’m here for the Brazilian crowd, for my family, my team, and we’ll be great.

“About the problem with the champion, what is done is done. There is no explanation, but I’m here to do my best and fight the greatest fight of my life.”


Gabriel Flores Jr.: “Every fight that goes on, I learn. Each fight, I get better and better. It’s a fact. You’re seeing it each fight. This training camp was a long training camp, a longer one because I was supposed to fight on the {Fury-Wilder 3} card, but that got postponed. And now I’m on this card. We took a positive out of a negative. We got sharper. The sparring was great and everything. All my confidence comes from my training. I sparred with real good people that helped me out for this fight. Gervonta Davis. Mark Magsayo. {Yuriorkis} Gamboa. So I’m extremely ready."

“Lopez is going to get knocked out. He’s going to live up to his name. They call him the deer. He’s going to look like Bambi in there.”

“I always look at the big picture. I know who I am. I started off early in the pros. I was 17 fighting, so that was me figuring out who I am. I know who I am. I’m comfortable. He just bit off more than he can chew. Friday night, he’s going to choke.”


Luis Alberto Lopez: “It was a great fight that night {against Vences}. Fans that night saw just half of what ‘Venado' can do. I suffered a fracture in the sixth round, but we got the win. It was a big victory, and I wasn’t 100 percent.

“He has a lot of flaws. He’s just a kid.

“There’s a lot of talk, but I have proven I am on this level. He might be a future champion, but I’m here to demonstrate I’m on this level, too.”
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ESPN Weigh-In

Valdez weighed 130 pounds for his first fight back in his childhood hometown since 2017, though not before having to remove his socks and clear room on the stage before hitting the mark.

Conceicao was 129.6 pounds for his first career title fight, making weight without any additional effort.

Gabriel Flores Jr. (20-0, 7KOs) weighed 129.6 pounds.

Luis Alberto Lopez weighed a lean and fit 128.4 pounds as he looks to extend his current five-fight win streak.

Junto Nakatani (21-0, 16KOs) weighed 111.4 pounds for his U.S. debut.

Angel ‘Tito’ Acosta came in right at the 112-pound limit.

Below are the weights for the remaining undercard bouts which air live on ESPN+ beginning 5:30 p.m. ET.

Xander Zayas (9-0. 7KOs), San Juan, Puerto Rico, 151.8 pounds vs. Jose Luis Sanchez (11-1-1, 4KOs, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 151.6 pounds—6 rounds, junior middleweight

Lindolfo Delgado (12-0, 11KOs), Linares, Mexico, 141.6 pounds vs. Miguel Zamudio (45-16-1, 28KOs), Guasave, Mexico, 140.8 pounds—8 rounds, junior welterweight

Rene Tellez Giron (15-1, 9KOs), Queretaro, Mexico, 132.2 pounds vs. Eduardo Garza (15-4-1, 8KOs), Mission, Texas, 132.6 pounds—8 rounds, junior lightweight

Omar Aguilar (20-0, 19KOs), Ensenada, Mexico, 142.6 pounds vs. Carlos Portillo (22-3, 17KOs), Asuncion, Paraguay, 141.6 pounds—8 rounds, junior welterweight.
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Valdez: I'm A Hundred-Percent Clean Fighter; Don't Know How Phentermine Got Into My Body

Oscar Valdez didn’t offer much insight into why he tested positive for a banned substance during his new interview with ESPN’s Mark Kriegel.

In fact, the unbeaten WBC super featherweight champion claimed he doesn’t know how Phentermine entered his system before he submitted samples to the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on August 13. Phentermine, a substance banned by VADA both in and out of competition, was detected in Valdez’s “A” and “B” samples.

Though VADA oversees the WBC’s “Clean Boxing Program,” Mexico’s Valdez was still approved to defend his WBC 130-pound championship against unbeaten Brazilian Robson Conceicao on Friday night at Casino Del Sol in Tucson, Arizona. The World Anti-Doping Agency allows the use of Phentermine “out of competition,” as long as it isn’t detected after 11:59 p.m. local time the day before an event.

The Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission cleared Valdez for licensure because all state and tribal commissions in the United States that are affiliated with the Association of Boxing Commissions adhere to WADA’s standards. Valdez’s ordeal has still caused controversy because he and Conceicao willingly signed up for VADA testing, only to have Valdez box despite that he tested positive for one of VADA’s banned substances.

The 30-year-old Valdez proclaimed his innocence and insisted he has never used performance-enhancing drugs during the aforementioned interview with Kriegel, which was posted to ESPN.com this week.

“No, I don’t have no prescription,” Valdez replied to one of Kriegel’s questions. “What I can say is that I’m a hundred-percent clean fighter. I don’t know how that got into my body. I know every fighter is responsible for whatever they consume. But, on behalf of myself, I have no clear answer how that got into my body. I’ve always been and I will always be a clean fighter, so I have no serious question of how that got into my body.”

Bob Arum, Valdez’s promoter, and Patrick English, an attorney who represented Valdez in this matter, contended that Phentermine emerged from Valdez’s system because he drank herbal tea during training camp. Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) didn’t mention his consumption of herbal tea while discussing this ordeal with Kriegel, a boxing analyst and reporter for ESPN and ESPN.com.

The former WBO featherweight champion did state why he thinks Conceicao (16-0, 8 KOs) decided to go through with their 12-round, 130-pound title fight (ESPN+; 10 p.m. EDT).

“If I was him, I would 100-percent fight me, because it’s a chance to win a world title,” Valdez said. “The world title is still on the line. And, being more honest, if I were Conceicao, I would think, ‘What is he taking? Oh, he’s taking a substance to lose weight. Oh, well that’s a pretty dumb move because he’s losing weight way too early from the fight. So, it means he might be maybe drained or overtrained. I don’t know.’

“But as far as there’s no performance-enhancing drug, or as far as steroids or anabolics or growth hormones. Those type of drugs I believe that would make a difference and can hurt somebody, could actually kill somebody. Which that would – I wouldn’t believe that should be stripped from the belt or cancel the fight. I think someone who uses those type of drugs should go to jail. I would never do that and I wouldn’t even take this substance that came out in my system. I would never intentionally take it.”
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Date: Friday September 10, 2021
Location: Casino Del Sol - Tucson, AZ
US Streaming: ESPN+
UK TV: Sky Sports

Start Times
Prelims: 5 pm ET | 2 pm PT | 10 pm BST
Main Card: 10 pm ET | 7 pm PT | 3 am BST

Main Card (ESPN+)

WBC World Super Featherweight Championship
Oscar Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) vs. Robson Conceicao (16-0, 8 KOs)

10 Round Super Featherweight Bout
Gabriel Flores Jr (20-0, 7 KOs) vs. Luis Alberto Lopez (22-2, 12 KOs)

Prelims (ESPN+)

WBO World Flyweight World Championship
Junto Nakatani (21-0, 16 KOs) vs. Angel Acosta (22-2, 21 KOs)

8 Round Lightweight Bout
Raymond Muratalla vs. Jose Angulo

6 Round Super Welterweight Bout
Xander Zayas vs. Jose Luis Sanchez

4 Round Super Bantamweight Bout
Jose Ramirez vs. Miguel Ceballos

8 Round Super Lightweight Bout
Lindolfo Delgado vs. Miguel Zamudio

8 Round Super Featherweight Bout
Rene Tellez Giron vs. Eduardo Garza

8 Round Super Lightweight Bout
Omar Aguilar vs. Carlos Manuel Portillo
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Anyone been watching the prelims? Any updates would be great.
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nasty cut, :doh:
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Thought it was stopped a little early but Acosta's nose was bleeding pretty badly. Biggest win of Nakatani's career
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