Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

Who wins?

Poll ended at 11 Sep 2021, 06:58

Valdez - Decision
1
25%
Valdez - T/KO
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50%
DRAW
0
No votes
Conceica - T/KO
1
25%
Conceica - Decision
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 4

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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Looking forward to Nakatani v Acosta more than the main event!
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NoScoutingReports wrote: 10 Sep 2021, 11:44 Looking forward to Nakatani v Acosta more than the main event!
Gonna steal the show.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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It says international audience
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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She’s pretty bad, blathers on about God knows what, but will be a huge relief if it’s her rather than that prize DONG from sky. Though I’m fully expecting him to shoehorn his way into comm tonight.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Though maybe not, as this fight is an embarrassment. I was a big fan of Oscar before this, in the above interview he manages to lie through his teeth and then pretty much admit he’s lying a few paragraphs later
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Date: Friday September 10, 2021
Location: Casino Del Sol - Tucson, AZ
US Streaming: ESPN+
UK TV: Sky Sports

Start Times
Prelims: 5 pm ET | 2 pm PT | 10 pm BST
Main Card: 10 pm ET | 7 pm PT | 3 am BST

Main Card (Sky Sports)

WBC World Super Featherweight Championship
Oscar Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) vs. Robson Conceicao (16-0, 8 KOs)

10 Round Super Featherweight Bout
Gabriel Flores Jr (20-0, 7 KOs) vs. Luis Alberto Lopez (22-2, 12 KOs)

Prelims (ESPN+)

WBO World Flyweight World Championship
Junto Nakatani (21-0, 16 KOs) vs. Angel Acosta (22-2, 21 KOs)

8 Round Lightweight Bout
Raymond Muratalla vs. Jose Angulo

6 Round Super Welterweight Bout
Xander Zayas vs. Jose Luis Sanchez

4 Round Super Bantamweight Bout

Jose Ramirez vs. Miguel Ceballos
8 Round Super Lightweight Bout
Lindolfo Delgado vs. Miguel Zamudio

8 Round Super Featherweight Bout
Rene Tellez Giron vs. Eduardo Garza

8 Round Super Lightweight Bout
Omar Aguilar vs. Carlos Manuel Portillo
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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We’ve had some good boxing tonight..

Time for this one soon. :box:
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Thought Valdez just about nicked it but the ref was a joke.

Nakatani’s fight was quality. Like to see him v Sunny Edwards.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Robson did well first 4/5 rounds.. sweeped them IMO.

Two scorecards were fine. But there’s always one that is a bit wide..
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Sep 2021, 05:55 Robson did well first 4/5 rounds.. sweeped them IMO.

Two scorecards were fine. But there’s always one that is a bit wide..
you thought oscar won the last 7?
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margaret thatcher wrote: 11 Sep 2021, 05:56
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Sep 2021, 05:55 Robson did well first 4/5 rounds.. sweeped them IMO.

Two scorecards were fine. But there’s always one that is a bit wide..
you thought oscar won the last 7?
No. I said Robson sweeped the first 5..

The rest were more competitive. Robson got tired.. but no Valdez didn’t win all the last 7..
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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You've got to feel for Acosta getting his nose broke so early, it bled like a sieve constantly, must've been a nightmare for him, first time I've seen Nakatani, I was impressed, tall rangy southpaw, punches hard and delivers his shots well, look forward to seeing him again, pity this panned out like this
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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I had Conceicao beating Valdez 115-113, maybe could've had it wider, I thought commentary were way off the mark, I liked the look of Conceicao especially first half, movement was excellent, looked really relaxed and fluid put his shots together lovely, nice jab to head and body, a good straight right to the body as well, caught Valdez with some crisp uppercuts and generally dictated play

Valdez came into things eventually, upped the pressure but still wasn't landing much effective tbh, Conceicao's worked dropped a little which tightened the gap, I thought Valdez had his clearest round in the 10th , Conceicao's point deduction was BS as well, although my cards close I still say robbery
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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handsofstone wrote: 11 Sep 2021, 10:22 You've got to feel for Acosta getting his nose broke so early, it bled like a sieve constantly, must've been a nightmare for him, first time I've seen Nakatani, I was impressed, tall rangy southpaw, punches hard and delivers his shots well, look forward to seeing him again, pity this panned out like this
Just had chance to watch this card back, gutted about Acosta's nose going, pretty certain it was going to develop into a classic. Lopez absolutely bullied Flores Jr, could and probably should have been stopped late on.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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The Brazilian showed the superior speed and reflexes. He was able to take a series of the early rounds, but he went over-confident after the incomplete success and gave away too many rounds. Maybe he was tired, but it was more likely, that he simply did a foolish mistake.

The fight was very close, I had it even, but the deducted point makes Valdez a winner on my card. The deduction itself was disgraceful. As well as the 117-110 score. Valdez got some hometown aid, the Brazilian should have taken that into consideration, while he was ahead.

So, I feel OK about the outcome.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Bob Arum blames media for negativity surrounding Oscar Valdez’s failed drug test

Arum says Valdez never did anything wrong and that all the media talk is just noise.



In the aftermath of Oscar Valdez’s decision win over Robson Conceicao this past Friday, under the backdrop of suspicion and ire because of Valdez testing positive for a banned substance leading into the bout, Valdez’ Top Rank promoter Bob Arum tells Fight Hub that the whole issue was blown out of proportion and that Valdez has done nothing wrong. Check out what Arum had to say on the subject below.

On if Valdez is vindicated with his win over Conceicao

“Look, it’s not a question of vindication, it’s not a question of anything — it’s a question of the law. These boxing commissions have signed off to WADA just the way the Olympics have, just the way most sports (have) and that means there are substances that are banned only in competition. And this was a substance that’s banned only in competition. So nobody really had any maneuverability legally to prevent him from fighting.

“This is all really something that is blown out of all proportions by the media. Now, maybe there’s an argument that this substance should be banned in and out of competition, but that’s a different story! That’s not what the law is now. People have to respect the law, and the law is this substance is okay outside of competition — which means the day before and the day of, period, end of story. Everything else is just noise.”


On how he would guide young fighters to deal with these types of situations

“The fighter has to have a good promoter who like in this instance where the law is on his side, is gonna stand up and tell people what the law is. Period and end of story. Oscar Valdez did nothing wrong. Even if he did — which I don’t believe — consciously took this substance out of competition he was breaking no law.”
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Robson Conceicao files complaint over controversial loss to Oscar Valdez

Robson Conceicao has filed a complaint with the WBC following his unanimous-decision defeat to Oscar Valdez on Friday in Tucson, Arizona, his manager, Sergio Batarelli, told ESPN.

Among the grievances: the officiating, the judging and the fact Valdez was allowed to retain his title despite testing positive for the banned substance phentermine last month.

The WBC uses the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association for its Clean Boxing Program; VADA lists phentermine, a stimulant, as a banned substance. Regardless, the WBC allowed Valdez to retain his title and the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Commission let him fight.

The fight was closely contested, with Conceicao (16-1, 8 KOs) in control over the first five rounds before Valdez (30-0, 23 KOs) rallied. One judge, Stephen Blea, turned in a 117-110 tally in favor of Valdez. The other two judges had the same score: 115-112.

Blea, who scored just three rounds for Conceicao, released a statement Monday through the WBC saying "the 117-110 score is not accurate and does not represent the actions in the ring."

Blea said he erred by not scoring two rounds where he didn't find a clear winner 10-10, instead scoring those for Valdez, giving the champion the benefit in close rounds (something judges aren't supposed to do). Blea also said the crowd noise influenced him. Valdez has adopted Tucson as his hometown, and there were more than 4,500 fans in attendance.

After viewing the bout on ESPN+, Blea now believes Valdez won the fight 115-112 or even 114-113. The judge said he has reached out to officials at the WBC to "undergo a thorough training and review program and will not accept any championship assignments until I complete this process."

Batarelli also reached out to the WBC, but in a very different manner. He filed the complaint with WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman on Monday morning and is looking for an immediate rematch, or short of that, a No. 1 ranking for Conceicao.

He called referee Tony Zaino's performance "biased," clearly a reference to Zaino's questionable decision to deduct one point from Conceicao in Round 9 for hitting behind the head. It appeared to be a light tap and there was no stern warning beforehand. Later on, Valdez landed a stiff rabbit punch but was simply warned.

Batarelli pointed out that there wasn't a single round where Conceicao was outlanded by Valdez, per CompuBox. Of course, there's far more to scoring than simply who landed more punches.

"It's a joke," Batarelli said. "...This guy is not qualified to judge a world title [fight]. Who appointed him? This all is a f---ing mess. It's a f---ing joke.

"Why do you need a drug test if the guys can run over when it's good for them?" he added. "It's not fair. It's really not fair. I hope Sulaiman considers my complaint. ... In Brazil, all the press is talking about this. ... It's hard."

Without the point deduction, Valdez would have won seven rounds to five against the 9-1 underdog, or 115-113. ESPN scored the bout in favor of Conceicao, 114-113. Without the deduction, Blea believes the fight was a Valdez victory, seven to five, or a draw.

Valdez, a 30-year-old Mexican, won the 130-pound title with a brutal knockout of Miguel Berchelt in February. Conceicao, a 32-year-old Brazilian, was competing in his first high-profile bout. The Olympic gold medalist defeated Valdez in the amateurs.
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica | Sky Sports - 10 September 2021

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 13 Sep 2021, 15:14
The judge's statement is highly commendable (and unique, I think).

Without wishing to diminish what he has says, there are two statements that seem mutually inconsistent:

(a) that he should in fact have scored two rounds 10-10 each, not 10-9 each to Valdez; and

(b) that on rewatching on TV, he scores it 115-112 or 114-113.

As there was one point deducted from Conceicao and no knockdowns, you can only get 115-112 or 114-113 if you score every single round 10-9 for one fighter or the other. So at best he's saying that the rounds he thought on the night he should have scored 10-10 are now rounds that, when he watches them on TV, he scored 10-9 for one or other of the fighters. That would be a second change of mind.

Also, by saying his score would now be 115-112 or 114-113, what he essentially seems to be saying is that there is one round that he can't decide whether to score 10-9 for Valdez or 10-9 for Conceicao. If the round is that close, what's happened to his thought that he should have scored such a round 10-10?

All a bit odd. But I give the guy great credit for coming out and saying what he has. Takes a lot of guts and self-awareness to do that.
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