Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Sadly boxing is a joke these days. But money talks very loudly.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Fight was a joke and a huge mismatch. I think most everyone already knew this. I still don't personally have a issue with it. Canelo is one of the few out there that actually fights top opposition at a high rate and he's in a position where he can pick and choose yet still chases top names. The beautiful thing about it all is Canelo fights the best opposition of any current boxer and is the biggest draw on boxing, so when Canelo comes a calling we get the fights. I also believe we'll get two more fights from Canelo this year, probably BJS mid year then probably Plant later in the year.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Yeah you can’t blame this on Canelo. Yildirim was the huge underdog challenger, and it was on him to at least try to make a fight of it. He plainly did not. Quit on the stool after three.NateJR wrote: ↑28 Feb 2021, 08:51 Fight was a joke and a huge mismatch. I think most everyone already knew this. I still don't personally have a issue with it. Canelo is one of the few out there that actually fights top opposition at a high rate and he's in a position where he can pick and choose yet still chases top names. The beautiful thing about it all is Canelo fights the best opposition of any current boxer and is the biggest draw on boxing, so when Canelo comes a calling we get the fights. I also believe we'll get two more fights from Canelo this year, probably BJS mid year then probably Plant later in the year.
I’ve got no problem with Canelo having these kinds of bum of the month club fights between his May/September outings. Hoping for a better effort next time from the opposite corner.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Joel Diaz: Yildirim Never Recovered After Canelo Dropped Him
Joel Diaz, the trainer of Yildirim, felt the time was right to stop fight - when his boxer returned to the corner.
"The first round I watched him start to pick up a little rhythm, he was more cautious in his defense, the second round I thought he was going to loosen his hands a little more," Diaz said to ESPN Deportes.
"After the knockdown in the third round he never recovered. He got up, he was in good condition, but the goal of the trainer is to take care of him. Canelo is a great fighter, the truth is, he has many tools, he's fast, he's very confident and hits hard. "
According to Diaz, Yildirim returned to the corner after surviving the round but he was unresponsive and the veteran coach preferred not to risk further punishment by sending him out there.
"When Yildirim went down, he got up and when he got to the corner with me I asked him some questions and he didn't answer me," Diaz said.
"He was hurt and before the bell rang to start the next round I asked him the questions again and when he didn't answer me, he was totally gone and I said 'there is no point'. The truth is, in the next round Canelo was going to hurt him."
"The trainers have a very great responsibility. I know Canelo was going to improve, he was getting stronger round by round and Yildirim felt the punches. After Canelo hurt him, he was not going to recover."
Joel Diaz, the trainer of Yildirim, felt the time was right to stop fight - when his boxer returned to the corner.
"The first round I watched him start to pick up a little rhythm, he was more cautious in his defense, the second round I thought he was going to loosen his hands a little more," Diaz said to ESPN Deportes.
"After the knockdown in the third round he never recovered. He got up, he was in good condition, but the goal of the trainer is to take care of him. Canelo is a great fighter, the truth is, he has many tools, he's fast, he's very confident and hits hard. "
According to Diaz, Yildirim returned to the corner after surviving the round but he was unresponsive and the veteran coach preferred not to risk further punishment by sending him out there.
"When Yildirim went down, he got up and when he got to the corner with me I asked him some questions and he didn't answer me," Diaz said.
"He was hurt and before the bell rang to start the next round I asked him the questions again and when he didn't answer me, he was totally gone and I said 'there is no point'. The truth is, in the next round Canelo was going to hurt him."
"The trainers have a very great responsibility. I know Canelo was going to improve, he was getting stronger round by round and Yildirim felt the punches. After Canelo hurt him, he was not going to recover."
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Teddy Atlas Brutally Honest About The Canelo Fight
Classic Atlas.
He makes some fair points overall.
Classic Atlas.
He makes some fair points overall.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Yildirim was paid $2.5m for his 'efforts'..
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Avni Yildirim was the WBC’s mandatory challenger before Canelo faced Kovalev. In fact, the WBC had agreed to grant the Turkish fighter a second shot at the 168lbs title before Canelo fought Daniel Jacobs.
So Canelo did what he had to do. He performed a mandatory defence against a fighter he was forced to face.
It was a stay-busy fight - a borderline mismatch, because Yildrim was too negative and didn’t give his all.
Canelo looked good, but it’s easy to look impressive against weak opposition, but the Mexican can’t be held accountable or criticised due to Yildirim’s lack of effort.
Canelo’s next two opponents are Billy Joe Saunders and Caleb Plant, so he deserves to receive a free pass for the Yildrim bout.
So Canelo did what he had to do. He performed a mandatory defence against a fighter he was forced to face.
It was a stay-busy fight - a borderline mismatch, because Yildrim was too negative and didn’t give his all.
Canelo looked good, but it’s easy to look impressive against weak opposition, but the Mexican can’t be held accountable or criticised due to Yildirim’s lack of effort.
Canelo’s next two opponents are Billy Joe Saunders and Caleb Plant, so he deserves to receive a free pass for the Yildrim bout.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
The fact WBC had Yildrim ranked so high to be made mandatory is the critical thing to focus any distain towards.
How would you explain to a casual fan that this guy was the number 1 in a world ranking list? He'd lost his last fight, stopped in 3 rounds a few years earlier, was hopelessly mismatched against the big name Champion.
Said casual fans, without any explanation might just assume the Canelo is so superior in abiluty than anyone given he just battered the number 1 challenger!!......
The ABCs are causing a lot of the damage to the sport!
How would you explain to a casual fan that this guy was the number 1 in a world ranking list? He'd lost his last fight, stopped in 3 rounds a few years earlier, was hopelessly mismatched against the big name Champion.
Said casual fans, without any explanation might just assume the Canelo is so superior in abiluty than anyone given he just battered the number 1 challenger!!......
The ABCs are causing a lot of the damage to the sport!
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
WBC Prez: I'm Sorry For Yildirim, The Paper Sometimes Doesn’t Reflect The Actions
This past Saturday night was a complete mismatch, with Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez retaining the WBC, WBA super middleweight titles with a three round destruction of Avni Yildirim at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, Florida.
Yildirim was taking punishment, round after round, with his head trainer Joel Diaz deciding to stop the fight before the start of the fourth.
There was a lot of heat on the contest taking place, with most expecting a mismatch, but Canelo was forced to take the fight because Yildirim was the mandatory challenger.
World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman was at ringside, watching the one-sided fight play out.
“I’m sorry for Avni. The paper sometimes doesn’t reflect the actions, and it was very unfortunate. We had great expectations, and it’s a matter where we [at the WBC] need to look into the process that is not working in some roads," Sulaiman told Boxing Social.
“Definitely, there are things that we have to go back and look at what is happening and how things evolve. As I say, [Canelo] was tremendously successful, he was in great shape, and that stage should have been for a much greater fight."
Canelo is now scheduled to return to the ring on May 8th, when he faces undefeated WBO champion Billy Joe Saunders in a three belt unification.
“Tremendous, he’s got a sight in unifying the whole division. That’s a process in how it begins, and we can see a very active year, and hopefully it’ll continue to be like that for Canelo and boxing. A tremendous match, it’s going to be a sensational fight," Sulaiman said.
Should Canelo overcome Saunders, the next target would be a full division unification with unbeaten IBF champion Caleb Plant. That fight would be positioned to take place during Mexican Independence Day weekend in September.
This past Saturday night was a complete mismatch, with Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez retaining the WBC, WBA super middleweight titles with a three round destruction of Avni Yildirim at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, Florida.
Yildirim was taking punishment, round after round, with his head trainer Joel Diaz deciding to stop the fight before the start of the fourth.
There was a lot of heat on the contest taking place, with most expecting a mismatch, but Canelo was forced to take the fight because Yildirim was the mandatory challenger.
World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman was at ringside, watching the one-sided fight play out.
“I’m sorry for Avni. The paper sometimes doesn’t reflect the actions, and it was very unfortunate. We had great expectations, and it’s a matter where we [at the WBC] need to look into the process that is not working in some roads," Sulaiman told Boxing Social.
“Definitely, there are things that we have to go back and look at what is happening and how things evolve. As I say, [Canelo] was tremendously successful, he was in great shape, and that stage should have been for a much greater fight."
Canelo is now scheduled to return to the ring on May 8th, when he faces undefeated WBO champion Billy Joe Saunders in a three belt unification.
“Tremendous, he’s got a sight in unifying the whole division. That’s a process in how it begins, and we can see a very active year, and hopefully it’ll continue to be like that for Canelo and boxing. A tremendous match, it’s going to be a sensational fight," Sulaiman said.
Should Canelo overcome Saunders, the next target would be a full division unification with unbeaten IBF champion Caleb Plant. That fight would be positioned to take place during Mexican Independence Day weekend in September.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
I’m not defending the WBC, because I wholeheartedly believe they’re a despicably rancid organisation that often makes gruesomely horrendous decisions, but on this occasion, they can’t be blamed for Yildrim’s lack of effort and ambition. He’s a better fighter than his display against Canelo.
For sure, I can’t disagree with anyone that feels he shouldn’t have been the WBC’s mandatory challenger in the first place, but that doesn’t mean he was incapable of delivering a better performance against Canelo than what we witnessed.
He could have been braver, more aggressive and tried to deliver on his pre-fight promises to take the fight to the Mexican, even if it resulted in him going out on his shield, but instead, he was there to collect the pay cheque and avoid getting hurt in the process.
It’s unfortunate that both Avni Yilrim and Callum Smith adopted laughably negative approaches against Canelo, to the point that both bouts were disappointingly one-sided affairs, due to both opponents lacking courage and ambition.
All we can do is hope that Saunders and Plant have more confidence in themselves than Yildrim and Smith.
For sure, I can’t disagree with anyone that feels he shouldn’t have been the WBC’s mandatory challenger in the first place, but that doesn’t mean he was incapable of delivering a better performance against Canelo than what we witnessed.
He could have been braver, more aggressive and tried to deliver on his pre-fight promises to take the fight to the Mexican, even if it resulted in him going out on his shield, but instead, he was there to collect the pay cheque and avoid getting hurt in the process.
It’s unfortunate that both Avni Yilrim and Callum Smith adopted laughably negative approaches against Canelo, to the point that both bouts were disappointingly one-sided affairs, due to both opponents lacking courage and ambition.
All we can do is hope that Saunders and Plant have more confidence in themselves than Yildrim and Smith.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
I think everyone does the same mistake by thinking that they can outbox Canelo, like Floyd did. There are two things to consider here;
1- Canelo made necessary adjustments, his head movement is on another level than when he fought Floyd, and he is better at getting inside and out, his punches are also more effective and precise compared to Floyd fight.
2- You should also give credit to Floyd, while Canelo wasn't at his best and he wasn't in his prime, Floyd's skills at fighting outside with his jabs is also another level.
Callum Smith, imo also made the same mistake, thought that he could outbox Canelo from the distance with his jabs (since he was the taller guy with longer reach by far), but it wasn't really close fight despite that reach advantage.
And Avni? I mean Callum can actually box, but Avni was always brawler type, pressure boxer. That's how he got very close on beating Direll, who was the former champ. He neverr had the skills to outbox his opponent from distance. I am sure his new Coach Diaz trained him good in the last 1,5 years, but without testing the results of their training in actual fight, training means only little.
Once they should understand that their trainings on boxing differently isn't working, they should turn back to old ''mr.robot'' Avni in the second round, I don't think Avni could even get a close fight if they did that, but at least he could put some resistance before losing.
The real example on how to beat Canelo should be the first Golovkin fight, not Floyd. Because that was a Canelo, who made his adjestments and he was better at the first Golovkin fight, and he still lost.
We all know Golovkin won against Canelo in the first fight, (it wasn't a draw) with his pressure and with his aggressiveness. I believe that's the key to defeat Canelo, not an easy job, but it's still better than trying to outbox him from distance.
Especially for Avni, to fight like this didn't make any sense, no disrespect to Joel Diaz, I am sure he did his best, he should've known that, not everyone can learn how to box at some point, Avni's skills were never suitable to that, there is a reason he was the 16-0 undefeated mr.robot until the Eubank Jr. fight. It's also interesting because Avni was Canelo's sparring partner for Golovkin fights, they thought Avni's style is kind of similar (not their skills obviously, their pressure only) so they choose Avni as a sparring partner. But Avni and his team changed that style that actually beat Canelo, not saying Avni is even close to Golovkin, but he could surely do better with his old style against Canelo, he would still lose, but he would at least put some resistance before losing, this didn't look good at all both for Avni and Joel Diaz.
1- Canelo made necessary adjustments, his head movement is on another level than when he fought Floyd, and he is better at getting inside and out, his punches are also more effective and precise compared to Floyd fight.
2- You should also give credit to Floyd, while Canelo wasn't at his best and he wasn't in his prime, Floyd's skills at fighting outside with his jabs is also another level.
Callum Smith, imo also made the same mistake, thought that he could outbox Canelo from the distance with his jabs (since he was the taller guy with longer reach by far), but it wasn't really close fight despite that reach advantage.
And Avni? I mean Callum can actually box, but Avni was always brawler type, pressure boxer. That's how he got very close on beating Direll, who was the former champ. He neverr had the skills to outbox his opponent from distance. I am sure his new Coach Diaz trained him good in the last 1,5 years, but without testing the results of their training in actual fight, training means only little.
Once they should understand that their trainings on boxing differently isn't working, they should turn back to old ''mr.robot'' Avni in the second round, I don't think Avni could even get a close fight if they did that, but at least he could put some resistance before losing.
The real example on how to beat Canelo should be the first Golovkin fight, not Floyd. Because that was a Canelo, who made his adjestments and he was better at the first Golovkin fight, and he still lost.
We all know Golovkin won against Canelo in the first fight, (it wasn't a draw) with his pressure and with his aggressiveness. I believe that's the key to defeat Canelo, not an easy job, but it's still better than trying to outbox him from distance.
Especially for Avni, to fight like this didn't make any sense, no disrespect to Joel Diaz, I am sure he did his best, he should've known that, not everyone can learn how to box at some point, Avni's skills were never suitable to that, there is a reason he was the 16-0 undefeated mr.robot until the Eubank Jr. fight. It's also interesting because Avni was Canelo's sparring partner for Golovkin fights, they thought Avni's style is kind of similar (not their skills obviously, their pressure only) so they choose Avni as a sparring partner. But Avni and his team changed that style that actually beat Canelo, not saying Avni is even close to Golovkin, but he could surely do better with his old style against Canelo, he would still lose, but he would at least put some resistance before losing, this didn't look good at all both for Avni and Joel Diaz.
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
You are a disgrace.lazboy wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 21:43You're probably not familiar with Turkish laws and culture. Step children are banned in Turkey, generally the normal looking ones can be sold on and traded but the ugly ones are often beaten, hence the Turkish phrase "beaten like an ugly Turkish step child".Betro09 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 19:29Ugly Turkish step child?margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:54 Canelo will beat this non ring ranked fighter like an ugly turkish step child
What do you mean?
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
Don’t shoot the messenger, I didn’t create that law.Betro09 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 18:10You are a disgrace.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
i think he spent the last 6 months working on that brilliant reply 
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
It hurt all the same.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 20:10 i think he spent the last 6 months working on that brilliant reply![]()
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
You are a funny granny.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 20:10 i think he spent the last 6 months working on that brilliant reply![]()
Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Avni Yildirim - February 27, 2021
It hurt your itching ass.lazboy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 20:32It hurt all the same.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 20:10 i think he spent the last 6 months working on that brilliant reply![]()
Your turkish step child thing is made up and racist.
You should be banned.