Terence Crawford vs. Shawn Porter | ESPN PPV - November 20, 2021

[gregregegg]

I will be so gutted if either of these guys have slipped.

Probably both have a hit. But won’t be able to tell if it’s an even amount…

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

No doubt Porter will be shot the day after. Everyone is after they fight bud.

It’s kind of sad that the pinnacle of Crawford’s career at welterweight is an opponent that has arguably only won one fight within 39 months (i.e. many thought he deserved to lose the Ugas bout and we all know what happened against Spence Jr.).

Lol errol went life and death with porter
Top rank gets the deal done.

Death, taxes, EO not understanding boxing business

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

good fight. Top 5 in a garbage year.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

[gregregegg]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Onetimeonly]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

No rematch clauses on purse bids/mandatories.

[Enlightened-One]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

There’s no denying that Top Rank has paid well over-the-odds to win the rights to stage the Crawford-Porter bout. And I’m surprised by this, because both guys aren’t big draws.

But maybe there’s more to this than meets the eye?

• Perhaps Top Rank are attempting to extend their contract with Crawford?
• Maybe the cost of breaching Crawford’s contract is greater than the loss they’re likely to incur staging the Porter bout?
• It’s also possible that Top Rank are trying to preserve their relationship with ESPN, because they’ve recently allowed their rivals to gain the rights to stage big fights involving some of Bob Arum’s biggest stars (i.e. Lopez & Lomachenko).
• And it’s also feasible that this is simply a strategic decision to weaken Al Haymon, since there were recent rumours of Fox prematurely terminating their contract with the PBC?

Who knows what their agenda might be, but the fight has been made… and I guess that’s all that matters.

[gregregegg]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

No rematch clauses on purse bids/mandatories.

The deal was made pre purse bids. I might be mistaken but I’m fairly sure that means you can put in a rematch clause if you want.

I’ll bet AJ has a rematch clause for his fight in September, and that’s a mandatory.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Mike Coppinger has said:

Sources: Terence Crawford is guaranteed upward of $6 million. Shawn Porter will earn at least $4 million. They were on a 60/40 split for the purse bid and that’s the split they have now for their Nov. 20 ESPN PPV bout. Career-high for Crawford

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

There’s no denying that Top Rank has paid well over-the-odds to win the rights to stage the Crawford-Porter bout. And I’m surprised by this, because both guys aren’t big draws.

But maybe there’s more to this than meets the eye?

• Perhaps Top Rank are attempting to extend their contract with Crawford?
• Maybe the cost of breaching Crawford’s contract is greater than the loss they’re likely to incur staging the Porter bout?
• It’s also possible that Top Rank are trying to preserve their relationship with ESPN, because they’ve recently allowed their rivals to gain the rights to stage big fights involving some of Bob Arum’s biggest stars (i.e. Lopez & Lomachenko).
• And it’s also feasible that this is simply a strategic decision to weaken Al Haymon, since there were recent rumours of Fox prematurely terminating their contract with the PBC?

Who knows what their agenda might be, but the fight has been made… and I guess that’s all that matters.

Yeh, and TR is the lead promoter here. Not a joint thing at all. Expect a full TR undercard.

Whatt's the PPV gonna be? $$75.

TBH, for that date they were looking at, PBC already have a PPV in November (Canelo-Plant), another would be pushing it.

ESPN have all the tools to hype the crap out of this and they should.

[Enlightened-One]

TBH, for that date they were looking at, PBC already have a PPV in November (Canelo-Plant), another would be pushing it.

I’d forgotten about that!

The Canelo-Plant bout is definitely going cannibalise and limit the Crawford-Porter PPV buy-rate, which makes Top Rank’s decision to pay inflated purses even more perplexing.

ESPN have all the tools to hype the crap out of this and they should.

Terence Crawford's PPV numbers are traditionally weak (in the context of him being a long-time top-three pound-for-pounder). He only achieved 55K buys for the Postol bout and 150K buys for the Khan mismatch.

The Crawford-Porter bout is basically between two inactive 34-year-old past-their-prime fighters, with neither man considered commercially big draws.

One of them hasn’t faced credible opposition for 4½ years and the other one has arguably won only one fight within 39 months.

It's a tricky fight to sell to mainstream casuals if you critique it!

It sounds as though I’m being hyper critical, but let’s not forget that Crawford is considered a top-three pound-for-pounder facing the very best opponent of his entire career on PPV.

This fight is solely for the hardcore aficionados. It’ll be intriguing for me to see these guys compete, but it should have happened two or three years earlier, since both veterans may already be on the decline.

I don’t think it’ll capture the imagination of the mainstream masses, they’ll surely spend their hard-earned money on the Canelo-Plant bout instead.

[gregregegg]

I expect an expensive ppv. Top rank need cash for this.

Normally when you go cheap you get more buys, but mabey slightly less (or the same) revenue, but it boosts your star by getting eyes on them, gets there PPV numbers up which makes them seem like a bigger deal than they are. But as far as I know craw is a free agent after this, so why build him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I expect an expensive ppv. Top rank need cash for this.

Normally when you go cheap you get more buys, but mabey slightly less (or the same) revenue, but it boosts your star by getting eyes on them, gets there PPV numbers up which makes them seem like a bigger deal than they are. But as far as I know craw is a free agent after this, so why build him.

Yeh, people focus more on PPV buys, but boxers and promoters care about the revenue.

Canelo-GGG 1 got 1.3m buys
Canelo-GGG 2 got 1.1m buys.

the second fight made more in revenue, because the ppv price was higher.

[Cent0089]

Soo, is this fight real?

[margaret thatcher]

Soo, is this fight real?

yes

[Cent0089]

Soo, is this fight real?

yes

Nice, can´t wait

[adislav123]

porter going to sleep. his swarming style won't do it, once crawford gets his timing right porter will jump head first right into dreamland.

[Ruthless-RKO]

porter going to sleep. his swarming style won't do it, once crawford gets his timing right porter will jump head first right into dreamland.

Yeh, that's how Spence caught him. Coming in wasn't t?

[Enlightened-One]

porter going to sleep. his swarming style won't do it, once crawford gets his timing right porter will jump head first right into dreamland.

If Crawford is every bit as good as the hype that’s lavished upon him, then you could be right.

Even I’m deeply impressed with Crawford when I only perform the eye test.

But I really can’t help thinking that going 4½ years without facing challenging/credible opposition might have eroded his ability somewhat.

He’s been highly-paid and enjoyed an easy ride over the last 4½ years. He’s a very wealthy man.

As Marvin Hagler once said: “It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you've been sleeping in silk pyjamas.”

So this raises a question mark about Crawford’s ability to dig deep if he’s forced to go to the well? And if he has to cope with adversity, can he adapt his game-plan if things aren’t going well?

In terms of Shawn Porter, even though he’s the same age as Crawford, I fear he might be shop-worn and further past-his-prime than Bud is.

Showtime Shawn has got a lot of mileage on the clock, because he’s engaged in so many tough fights. His inactivity suggests he prefers his work as a pundit rather than a fighter.

I don’t know what to think, because there are so many questions/unknowns, hence the reason why I’m excited to see this fight.

[555678]

Alice Haymon (when he has to dress up as a woman for his masters) is trying to use pawn porter to get rid of Crawford. If Crawford loses to pawn porter, haymon can fix spence to 75-0 with all the pbc patsies he has control of at 147.

this move is all about haymon attempting to get rid of Crawford for spence.

[Cent0089]

Both Porter and Crawford are definitely not past prime as someone wrote here. Both are at peak. Crawford vs Porter is good sign that boxing world will not tolerate trash fights for elite fighters for THAT long. We are waiting for Crawford - Spence longer than we waited for Alvarez - Golovkin. Sooner or later they must fight each other or fans will abandon them. And Jaron Ennis isnt going anywhere, hes another bad man and waiting for them

[Ruthless-RKO]

Arum: We're Gonna Try To Keep The Pay-Per-View Price For Crawford-Porter Reasonable

Bob Arum hopes skeptical boxing fans understand that pay-per-view is the only economic model that would’ve worked while putting together the Terence Crawford-Shawn Porter fight.

That said, Crawford’s 89-year-old promoter realizes that Crawford-Porter will be boxing’s third pay-per-view show within a six-week span during October and November in the United States. Arum wouldn’t commit to a price point for the Crawford-Porter fight during an interview with Boxing Scene, but he indicated Tuesday that it’ll cost less to watch their WBO welterweight title fight November 20 than the industry standard $70-$80.

“The only way you can do this fight is on pay-per-view because of the purses,” Arum said. “And I think it’ll do well on pay-per-view. But we’re gonna try to keep the price reasonable.”

Crawford (37-0, 28 KOs), of Omaha, Nebraska, and Porter (31-3-1, 17 KOs), a Las Vegas resident raised in Akron, Ohio, will reportedly earn nearly $10 million combined in guarantees based on the 60-40 purse split the WBO mandated when it ordered Crawford-Porter late in July. Both boxers also will earn portions of pay-per-view revenue from a 12-round, 147-pound championship bout ESPN Pay-Per-View will distribute from Mandalay Bay’s Michelob ULTRA Arena in Las Vegas.

Crawford-Porter is set to take place two weeks after another pay-per-view show that’ll feature super middleweight champions Canelo Alvarez and Caleb Plant.

The 12-round, 168-pound bout between Mexico’s Alvarez (56-1-2, 38 KOs), the WBA/WBC/WBO champ, and Las Vegas’ Plant (21-0, 12 KOs), the IBF champ, was officially announced Tuesday for November 6 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The pay-per-view distributor for Alvarez-Plant, presumably FOX or Showtime, was not named in Premier Boxing Champions’ press release.

Four weeks before Alvarez opposes Plant in their full championship unification fight, ESPN and FOX Sports will collaborate to distribute the third WBC heavyweight title bout between champion Tyson Fury and former champion Deontay Wilder. England’s Fury (30-0-1, 21 KOs) and Alabama’s Wilder (42-1-1, 41 KOs) are scheduled to square off October 9 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

“Canelo is fighting, and then there’s a big fight we have together with PBC, Fury and Wilder,” Arum said. “Those are two real interesting events on pay-per-view. But this one [Crawford-Porter] I think will hold its own and we’ll get a lot of people watching.”

Arum’s company, Top Rank Inc., agreed to a deal Tuesday morning for Crawford-Porter with Tom Brown, Porter’s promotional representative on behalf of Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions. A rescheduled purse bid for Crawford-Porter was set for noon EDT on Tuesday at the WBO’s headquarters in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The 33-year-old Crawford’s first two pay-per-view appearances – easy victories over Viktor Postol and Amir Khan – were considered commercial failures. Though published accounts vary, Crawford-Khan reportedly produced 150,000 buys in April 2019, roughly three times as many purchases as Crawford-Postol in July 2016 (approximately 50,000).

Regardless, Arum anticipates Crawford-Porter will do significantly better business than those two events because it is a bout boxing fans want to watch. The 33-year-old Porter, a former IBF and WBC welterweight champion, is considered Crawford’s top opponent in six fights since he moved up to the welterweight division early in 2018.

“People keep saying in the business that it doesn’t matter how much you charge because if people wanna watch it, they’ll pay for it,” Arum said. “But there’s a limit. You’ve gotta keep the price reasonable.”

[Enlightened-One]

Both Porter and Crawford are definitely not past prime as someone wrote here. Both are at peak. Crawford vs Porter is good sign that boxing world will not tolerate trash fights for elite fighters for THAT long. We are waiting for Crawford - Spence longer than we waited for Alvarez - Golovkin. Sooner or later they must fight each other or fans will abandon them. And Jaron Ennis isnt going anywhere, hes another bad man and waiting for them

You're 100% spot on about Jaron Ennis.

But in terms of Crawford and Porter being in their prime... they'll both be 34 years of age when they face each other. And that's not a good age for welterweights.

No one is suggesting they're completely shot, but in terms of athletic prowess, they’re on a downward trajectory.

[Ruthless-RKO]

So it will be less than $70..

What do you US fans think is reasonable?

$59.95

$49.95

Will never be less than that.

a mainstream PPV in the US has never been less than $50 has it ? (Tyson days)

They'd need to sell 400k ppv to at $49.95 to hot $20m revenue

or 334k buys to at $59.95 to hit $20m revenue..

They're gonna sell tickets obviously.

[Onetimeonly]

Kinda shocked toprank would fork out 10 million for it. was convinced they would be under 7 million (just enough to get craw his gareentee).

I wonder if there is a rematch clause? probably not, because toprank dont care cause craw is off contract, and would porter of taken 60-40 a rematch clause, when he can get 60-40 without one....

No rematch clauses on purse bids/mandatories.

The deal was made pre purse bids. I might be mistaken but I’m fairly sure that means you can put in a rematch clause if you want.

I’ll bet AJ has a rematch clause for his fight in September, and that’s a mandatory.

There are certain exceptions with huge draws where they opponents don't care what's in the contract, but usyk would have to OK the rematch clause. I can't imagine Porter would have.