Great road warriors.

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The Panamanian Scorpion, Eusebio Pedroza was the best champion ever in defending his title on the road. He did it ten times. Nobody did it better. :TU:
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elmersalsa wrote: 25 Jun 2019, 16:35 The Panamanian Scorpion, Eusebio Pedroza was the best champion ever in defending his title on the road. He did it ten times. Nobody did it better. :TU:
Then again, some of are not as lenient on what a road win is. It's not really a road win if the other guy isn't close to the area either. Not to mention he had 8 in his hometown.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 16:01 Then again, some of are not as lenient on what a road win is. It's not really a road win if the other guy isn't close to the area either. Not to mention he had 8 in his hometown.
Give the man, Eusebio Pedroza, his props. The man was a magnificent fighter on the road. He did it 10 times in the opposition's home turf. The man is an all-time pound per pound great.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 26 Jun 2019, 16:01 Then again, some of are not as lenient on what a road win is. It's not really a road win if the other guy isn't close to the area either. Not to mention he had 8 in his hometown.
Wba champion and Panamanian certainly is more advantageous than fighting based in Jersey, in Jersey.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 28 Jun 2019, 01:40 Wba champion and Panamanian certainly is more advantageous than fighting based in Jersey, in Jersey.
Pedroza did not need the WBA to retain his crown. He won fair and square all his title bouts with tremendous skill. A true all time pound per pound great and the best and complete boxer that I have ever seen. Let's give the man his props.
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elmersalsa wrote: 28 Jun 2019, 07:49 Pedroza did not need the WBA to retain his crown. He won fair and square all his title bouts with tremendous skill. A true all time pound per pound great and the best and complete boxer that I have ever seen. Let's give the man his props.
I was a fan, there is a difference between giving props and inventing things like you do. He was not up against it fighting lockridge.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 28 Jun 2019, 08:16 I was a fan, there is a difference between giving props and inventing things like you do. He was not up against it fighting lockridge.
He beat Rocky Lockridge fair and square both times. End of story.
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elmersalsa wrote: 28 Jun 2019, 10:43 He beat Rocky Lockridge fair and square both times. End of story.
Stories never end with you.
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Ken Buchanan fought on the road a lot.

Cullen in England for a Scot is definitely an away day
Went to Spain to fight Velazquez for the European title
Laguna in Puerto Rico (definitely a harder place for Buchanan than Laguna)
Navarro in LA
Steyn in South Africa
Ortiz in NYC
Otero in Miami
Ishiamatsu in Japan
Won the European title off Puddu in Italy and went back there to defend it against Usai
Fought other Englishmen in England, Puerto Rican's in New York, at the end went to Zimbabwe to fight a local up and comer.

For a national icon, Buchanan barely fought in Scotland. I think five times or less and the only one that would be considered big was against Watt and that came after about 7-8 years not fighting there.
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update....ukranian olek usyk. , the undisputed cruiser champ and unified hw champ, won all his titles in his opponents home country and has had all his 8 title fights on the road

krstoff glowacki in poland (wins wbo)
michael hunter and thabiso mchunu in usa (wbo defenses)
marco huck in germany (wbo defense)
maries briedis in latvia (unifies wbo and wbc)
murat gassiev in russia (becomes undisputed cw champ)
tony bellew in uk (defends undisputed cw champ status)
anthony joshua in uk (wins wba/wbo/ibf hw titles)

plus hw fights vs brit chisora in the uk, and witherspoon in the usa
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Usyk is the best here easily.
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not sure about the best, but a standout for sure and the best in recent years
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On the discussion of road warriors, one really needs to check out the record of west coast featherweight Don Johnson. Quite amazing in itself. I actually sat down and tallied everything up on this Sunday morning. In 87 pro bouts he only fought 23 times in the US. He also fought 23 times in Australia, 11 times in South Africa, 10 times in Mexico, 4 times in Italy, twice each in New Zealand, England, Denmark and Japan, and once each in Puerto Rico, Ecuador, Wales, Panama, Spain, Chile, Thailand and the Philippines. Amazing. And he wasn't a bad little fighter. He won the California state title and was a top contender for a few years, beating along the way Howard Winstone, Jimmy Carruthers, Love Allotey, Juan Ramirez, Danny Kid, Gil Cadilli, Willie Quator, Mario Diaz, Toro George and a young Masataka Takayama, who went on to fight Roberto Duran for the lightweight title.
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usyk now won title fights in

saudi arabia
russia
latvia
uk x2
poland
germany
usa x2

2/3 of his fights have been abroad
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Usyk really stands out because travelling is not as widespread as it used to be.

He is a genuine road warrior in the modern sense.
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The great Eusebio Pedroza of Panama did it better than anyone. He defended the WBA World Featherweight Crown in the opponent's home Turf 10 times. A world record for title defenses in opponent's home Turf.

A boxer to defend a crown in someone's backyard requires a lot of skill, poise and determination. Out of 20 title defenses, 10 were in his rival's hometown.
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elmersalsa wrote: 21 Aug 2022, 05:27 The great Eusebio Pedroza of Panama did it better than anyone. He defended the WBA World Featherweight Crown in the opponent's home Turf 10 times. A world record for title defenses in opponent's home Turf.

A boxer to defend a crown in someone's backyard requires a lot of skill, poise and determination. Out of 20 title defenses, 10 were in his rival's hometown.


- Not gonna vet your claims Elmo, but rather point out Brian Mitchell of South Africa has 13 defenses, all his defenses on the road mostly against the hometown guy as the spat and garbage tossed upon white South African villain.

He'd return here and there to South Africa to let all the fans see the champ in action against a top local, but never with the title at stake as the egregious SA boycott was in full sway. Career Record of 45-1-3, 21 KO, he beat the sole guy who beat him 3x, regrettably fatal in their last fight. The always shameless Ring stripped him after one year for reasons probably related to the boycott since he was the best fighter of that era by far.

Perhaps more tellingly, he did it with modest KO power, roughly a 40 KO% :TU:
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Monzon fought 12 of his 15 title defenses on the road, most of them at a time there was only one champion, unlike Pedroza’s two-belt era when he could avoid the other champion. When the middleweight belt was split, Monzon fought the other belt holder and beat him. Roman González has fought more than 20 title fights in four weight classes, with all of them on the road. Alexis Arguello had more than 20 title fight, only one at home, and 11 defenses on the “home turf” of his opponent if that’s defined as the same country. Twice he won belts from champions on their “home turf.” All of them match or surpass Pedroza as a road warrior
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giacomino wrote: 21 Aug 2022, 12:22 Monzon fought 12 of his 15 title defenses on the road, most of them at a time there was only one champion, unlike Pedroza’s two-belt era when he could avoid the other champion. When the middleweight belt was split, Monzon fought the other belt holder and beat him. Roman González has fought more than 20 title fights in four weight classes, with all of them on the road. Alexis Arguello had more than 20 title fight, only one at home, and 11 defenses on the “home turf” of his opponent if that’s defined as the same country. Twice he won belts from champions on their “home turf.” All of them match or surpass Pedroza as a road warrior
Good observation, but no. The great Alexis Arguello does not has more title defenses on the opposition home Turf more than the great Eusebio Pedroza. Pedroza is the record holder of most title defenses on opponent's home Turf with 10.

Pedroza's breakdown of title defenses were:
10 in opponent's home Turf.
6 in his native country of Panama.
4 in neutral turf.
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