BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Fury vs Wilder

[CMCanavessi]

Anyone BUT Fury would not been allowed to continue v Wallin. Usyk would slice and dice Wallin.

Wallin is the ONLY decent opponent that Fury has fought besides Wilder post meltdown.

Usyk is #1 until proven otherwise.

Take your credibility comments and shove them up, down or sideways in your orifice of choice.

And what decent opponent has Usyk beaten besides Joshua, at HW?

[Cyclops]

Fury #1 and Usyk #2

No offense to the people who are making Fury number two but let's be honest here the version of Wilder last night would have absolutely knocked the crap out of Anthony Joshua.

Fury is still the lineal heavyweight champion of the world and there is no denying that and outboxing the mechanical man like Joshua who already lost embarrassingly in the past does not make Usyk number one.

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

[Mexi-Box]

Fury #1 and Usyk #2

No offense to the people who are making Fury number two but let's be honest here the version of Wilder last night would have absolutely knocked the crap out of Anthony Joshua.

Fury is still the lineal heavyweight champion of the world and there is no denying that and outboxing the mechanical man like Joshua who already lost embarrassingly in the past does not make Usyk number one.

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

In the way that Usyk beat Joshua, I think you can make a case that he can be the #1.

[Mexi-Box]

Anyone BUT Fury would not been allowed to continue v Wallin. Usyk would slice and dice Wallin.

Wallin is the ONLY decent opponent that Fury has fought besides Wilder post meltdown.

Usyk is #1 until proven otherwise.

Take your credibility comments and shove them up, down or sideways in your orifice of choice.

And what decent opponent has Usyk beaten besides Joshua, at HW?

He also beat Chisora. On top of that, you could give him points on Briedis as he has fought at HW and found success before they fought each other.

[ewenhay]

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

You could argue that but it would be a very poor argument.

2 knockouts will always be more definitive than a points win, impressive as it was.

[ironbeard]

Fury #1 and Usyk #2

No offense to the people who are making Fury number two but let's be honest here the version of Wilder last night would have absolutely knocked the crap out of Anthony Joshua.

Fury is still the lineal heavyweight champion of the world and there is no denying that and outboxing the mechanical man like Joshua who already lost embarrassingly in the past does not make Usyk number one.

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Yeah but it's the sneaky way they are trying to get Usyk to number one. They tried when he beat Joshua and the consensus was number two. Now they're trying again on the back of a fight that Usyk was not even fighting. Where the guy in front of him knocked out the guy at number 4.

It's poor form and sour grapes.

What a clown.

Sneaky? We have voted based on our opinions, on an open forum, the same as you have. The ONLY difference is that we are not questioning the credibility of the thread’s ranking if the vote doesn’t go our way.

[Mexi-Box]

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

You could argue that but it would be a very poor argument.

2 knockouts will always be more definitive than a points win, impressive as it was.

It's even more poor saying a knockout is more definitive when the person almost got himself knocked out to achieve it. Usyk eased to a UD win without facing any adversity. He proved he's head and shoulders better. A different referee in the first fight, and Fury would've been given a KO loss. I don't think anyone would've batted an eyelid to say it was unfair either.

[ewenhay]

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Yeah but it's the sneaky way they are trying to get Usyk to number one. They tried when he beat Joshua and the consensus was number two. Now they're trying again on the back of a fight that Usyk was not even fighting. Where the guy in front of him knocked out the guy at number 4.

It's poor form and sour grapes.

What a clown.

Sneaky? We have voted based on our opinions, on an open forum, the same as you have. The ONLY difference is that we are not questioning the credibility of the thread’s ranking if the vote doesn’t go our way.

You've already shown your colours in your last response.

I don't care what the rankings are on here. Just pointing out what is clearly going on here which is an attempt to manipulate the rankings because they didn't go some people's way after the fight that really mattered for Usyk's ranking.

[Cyclops]

Say what you want about Joshua, but the guy has beaten: Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz Jr., Parker, and Klitschko. He fought Usyk.

I'm not a fan of his, but he's fought everyone in the division while Fury and Wilder have been holding the WBC belt hostage the entire time. Him and Wilder is still a toss-up. Joshua took bombs from Klitschko who arguably hits just as hard or even harder than Wilder. It's not like Joshua is some untested can.

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

In the way that Usyk beat Joshua, I think you can make a case that he can be the #1.

Yeah but the way the voting in this thread works is that we all vote on two fighters that just fought to move up or down based on the result of that fight. Usyk didn't fight last night, so we're not voting on him. If you wanted to vote him in at number one based on the AJ win the time would've been when he beat AJ. Fury fought recklessly last night and gave us an entertaining fight and got the emphatic KO both he and Wilder wanted.

And for that you think he should be voted down the rankings?

[ewenhay]

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

You could argue that but it would be a very poor argument.

2 knockouts will always be more definitive than a points win, impressive as it was.

It's even more poor saying a knockout is more definitive when the person almost got himself knocked out to achieve it. Usyk eased to a UD win without facing any adversity. He proved he's head and shoulders better. A different referee in the first fight, and Fury would've been given a KO loss. I don't think anyone would've batted an eyelid to say it was unfair either.

Explain to me why after Usyk was already voted at 2 after his win why he should now be bumped to 1 after Fury knocking out Wilder for a second time.

Did Fury look a wee bit too chubby for you?

[ewenhay]

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

In the way that Usyk beat Joshua, I think you can make a case that he can be the #1.

Yeah but the way the voting in this thread works is that we all vote on two fighters that just fought to move up or down based on the result of that fight. Usyk didn't fight last night, so we're not voting on him. If you wanted to vote him in at number one based on the AJ win the time would've been when he beat AJ. Fury fought recklessly last night and gave us an entertaining fight and got the emphatic KO both he and Wilder wanted.

And for that you think he should be voted down the rankings?

Well said.

[ironbeard]

Yeah but it's the sneaky way they are trying to get Usyk to number one. They tried when he beat Joshua and the consensus was number two. Now they're trying again on the back of a fight that Usyk was not even fighting. Where the guy in front of him knocked out the guy at number 4.

It's poor form and sour grapes.

What a clown.

Sneaky? We have voted based on our opinions, on an open forum, the same as you have. The ONLY difference is that we are not questioning the credibility of the thread’s ranking if the vote doesn’t go our way.

You've already shown your colours in your last response.

I don't care what the rankings are on here. Just pointing out what is clearly going on here which is an attempt to manipulate the rankings because they didn't go some people's way after the fight that really mattered for Usyk's ranking.

You “don’t care what the rankings are on here” unless they don’t go the way you want them to. Then those rankings that you don’t care about lack credibility, and those who did not vote your way are “sneaky.”

Like I said above; what a clown.

[ewenhay]

What a clown.

Sneaky? We have voted based on our opinions, on an open forum, the same as you have. The ONLY difference is that we are not questioning the credibility of the thread’s ranking if the vote doesn’t go our way.

You've already shown your colours in your last response.

I don't care what the rankings are on here. Just pointing out what is clearly going on here which is an attempt to manipulate the rankings because they didn't go some people's way after the fight that really mattered for Usyk's ranking.

You “don’t care what the rankings are on here” unless they don’t go the way you want them to. Then those rankings that you don’t care about lack credibility, and those who did not vote your way are “sneaky.”

Like I said above; what a clown.

Away you go you angry wee man.

I think it means more for you to have Usyk at number one on here than it does for me to have Fury at number one.

You can have Usyk at number one. There you go.

[ironbeard]

You've already shown your colours in your last response.

I don't care what the rankings are on here. Just pointing out what is clearly going on here which is an attempt to manipulate the rankings because they didn't go some people's way after the fight that really mattered for Usyk's ranking.

You “don’t care what the rankings are on here” unless they don’t go the way you want them to. Then those rankings that you don’t care about lack credibility, and those who did not vote your way are “sneaky.”

Like I said above; what a clown.

Away you go you angry wee man.

I think it means more for you to have Usyk at number one on here than it does for me to have Fury at number one.

You can have Usyk at number one. There you go.

Are you changing your vote now, clownshoes?

You claimed that the creator and steward of this thread is “sneaky” for voting according to his opinion, and that the thread lacks all credibility if the vote does not go your way.

Then you claimed not to care about the subject.

I have no problem with your opinion/vote on the rankings, and I do not question the credibility of these rankings, no matter the outcome of the vote.

[Mexi-Box]

You could argue that but it would be a very poor argument.

2 knockouts will always be more definitive than a points win, impressive as it was.

It's even more poor saying a knockout is more definitive when the person almost got himself knocked out to achieve it. Usyk eased to a UD win without facing any adversity. He proved he's head and shoulders better. A different referee in the first fight, and Fury would've been given a KO loss. I don't think anyone would've batted an eyelid to say it was unfair either.

Explain to me why after Usyk was already voted at 2 after his win why he should now be bumped to 1 after Fury knocking out Wilder for a second time.

Did Fury look a wee bit too chubby for you?

As I said, Fury faced a lot of adversity against a guy that he should've dominated.

[Mexi-Box]

Everyone still has AJ at number 3, no? Usyk is brilliant and deserves to be number two and if it wasn't for Fury he'd undoubtably be number one. But he isn't. Fury just got himself into a dogfight with a big puncher last night that just so happens to be number 4 on the list, beat him up and knocked him out in a see-saw thriller. If he'd have fought some no name bum, I'd agree with the demotion. He didn't: he fought a solid top 10 guy who you yourself think would be 50/50 with AJ and it was VERY entertaining. I suggested dropping Hunter down last time he fought because he'd actively moved away from trying to fight for a world title and fought a complete nobody on a novelty card, and guardian of the thread, aicheligad (thank you sir) voted to keep him at 8. So I don't see how you can demote Fury in this case but leave Hunter at no change.

There's no reasoning for it other than you really like Usyk, which is fair enough. Really, we need Usyk and Fury to fight, but AJ is holding up the unification by exercising his rematch clause, isn't he?

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

In the way that Usyk beat Joshua, I think you can make a case that he can be the #1.

Yeah but the way the voting in this thread works is that we all vote on two fighters that just fought to move up or down based on the result of that fight. Usyk didn't fight last night, so we're not voting on him. If you wanted to vote him in at number one based on the AJ win the time would've been when he beat AJ. Fury fought recklessly last night and gave us an entertaining fight and got the emphatic KO both he and Wilder wanted.

And for that you think he should be voted down the rankings?

I don't see why not. He also struggled and any other fighter would've gotten a TKO loss to Wallin in their fight. Usyk beat both Chisora and Joshua handily. Fury almost got stopped twice against Wilder, and 100% should have been ruled a TKO against Wallin. He's been super lucky to beat these guys that I have no doubt Usyk would beat with no adversity.

[Cyclops]

You can also argue that Usyk didn't have trouble beating his contemporary in Joshua as Fury did with Wilder. Fury almost got stopped in 2 of the 3 fights, and he had a pretty long count in the first fight. It took Usyk 1 to prove that there is no doubt.

In the way that Usyk beat Joshua, I think you can make a case that he can be the #1.

Yeah but the way the voting in this thread works is that we all vote on two fighters that just fought to move up or down based on the result of that fight. Usyk didn't fight last night, so we're not voting on him. If you wanted to vote him in at number one based on the AJ win the time would've been when he beat AJ. Fury fought recklessly last night and gave us an entertaining fight and got the emphatic KO both he and Wilder wanted.

And for that you think he should be voted down the rankings?

I don't see why not. He also struggled and any other fighter would've gotten a TKO loss to Wallin in their fight. Usyk beat both Chisora and Joshua handily. Fury almost got stopped twice against Wilder, and 100% should have been ruled a TKO against Wallin. He's been super lucky to beat these guys that I have no doubt Usyk would beat with no adversity.

The voting is based entirely on the fight last night.

[giacomino]

Some posters were branding Usyk a pound-for-pound all-time .great after winning his first big heavyweight fight last week so not surprising they want him elevated. Doesn’t really matter since hopefully they’ll fight in the next year and it will be settled. I’d keep Fury #1 because I thought he was mostly in control Saturday against an ex-alphabet belt holder with a big punch who came to fight and I thought Fury’s performance, while flawed, was impressive. If they fight I will root for Usyk with my heart but Fury with my head

[Mexi-Box]

Yeah but the way the voting in this thread works is that we all vote on two fighters that just fought to move up or down based on the result of that fight. Usyk didn't fight last night, so we're not voting on him. If you wanted to vote him in at number one based on the AJ win the time would've been when he beat AJ. Fury fought recklessly last night and gave us an entertaining fight and got the emphatic KO both he and Wilder wanted.

And for that you think he should be voted down the rankings?

I don't see why not. He also struggled and any other fighter would've gotten a TKO loss to Wallin in their fight. Usyk beat both Chisora and Joshua handily. Fury almost got stopped twice against Wilder, and 100% should have been ruled a TKO against Wallin. He's been super lucky to beat these guys that I have no doubt Usyk would beat with no adversity.

The voting is based entirely on the fight last night.

Yeah, and again, he had to get up off the canvas and had 2 long counts to beat his opponent. Usyk handily beat Joshua.

[Mexi-Box]

Some posters were branding Usyk a pound-for-pound all-time .great after winning his first big heavyweight fight last week so not surprising they want him elevated. Doesn’t really matter since hopefully they’ll fight in the next year and it will be settled. I’d keep Fury #1 because I thought he was mostly in control Saturday against an ex-alphabet belt holder with a big punch who came to fight and I thought Fury’s performance, while flawed, was impressive. If they fight I will root for Usyk with my heart but Fury with my head

How is he not? Undisputed CW in the toughest era and handily beat the unified HW champion who had avenged his sole defeat.

[ewenhay]

You “don’t care what the rankings are on here” unless they don’t go the way you want them to. Then those rankings that you don’t care about lack credibility, and those who did not vote your way are “sneaky.”

Like I said above; what a clown.

Away you go you angry wee man.

I think it means more for you to have Usyk at number one on here than it does for me to have Fury at number one.

You can have Usyk at number one. There you go.

Are you changing your vote now, clownshoes?

You claimed that the creator and steward of this thread is “sneaky” for voting according to his opinion, and that the thread lacks all credibility if the vote does not go your way.

Then you claimed not to care about the subject.

I have no problem with your opinion/vote on the rankings, and I do not question the credibility of these rankings, no matter the outcome of the vote.

No, I'm not changing my vote.

But I could have went Fury 1, Wilder 2. Usyk down to 3. Which would have made as much sense as your vote.

[giacomino]

Some posters were branding Usyk a pound-for-pound all-time .great after winning his first big heavyweight fight last week so not surprising they want him elevated. Doesn’t really matter since hopefully they’ll fight in the next year and it will be settled. I’d keep Fury #1 because I thought he was mostly in control Saturday against an ex-alphabet belt holder with a big punch who came to fight and I thought Fury’s performance, while flawed, was impressive. If they fight I will root for Usyk with my heart but Fury with my head

How is he not? Undisputed CW in the toughest era and handily beat the unified HW champion who had avenged his sole defeat.

Holyfield had a better legacy in both divisions. Dude has fought 19 times. Glad he won last week, really good fighter, one of my favorites. Too early to crown him the SRR and Duran of the upper weight classes after beating Joshua

[Cyclops]

I don't see why not. He also struggled and any other fighter would've gotten a TKO loss to Wallin in their fight. Usyk beat both Chisora and Joshua handily. Fury almost got stopped twice against Wilder, and 100% should have been ruled a TKO against Wallin. He's been super lucky to beat these guys that I have no doubt Usyk would beat with no adversity.

The voting is based entirely on the fight last night.

Yeah, and again, he had to get up off the canvas and had 2 long counts to beat his opponent. Usyk handily beat Joshua.

You're really an odd guy. Listen, when Usyk and AJ rematch, if the result is more emphatic and Fury doesn't fight in the meantime I'll vote Usyk to number one. When I can vote for Usyk and AJ. As much as I appreciate this top 15 rankings on the Forum, the previous precedent for trying to demote a winning fighter was Michael Hunter who, since he drew with Povetkin in 2019, declined the fight against Hrgovic and has only fought total bums Shawn Laughery and Mike Wilson (he also did roughly as well against Usyk as AJ). After he fought Mike Wilson, I argued that he shouldn't still be ranked so highly, as he was showing zero ambition to fight the best. This didn't go down well on here AT ALL, and even the rankings curator voted to keep Hunter where he was, and still is, with no notable win in years now and no upcoming fight. That's why I thought it was funny that he's done an about-turn on his own stance and voted a fighter down for winning a high profile fight against a top 10 opponent.

[ironbeard]

Away you go you angry wee man.

I think it means more for you to have Usyk at number one on here than it does for me to have Fury at number one.

You can have Usyk at number one. There you go.

Are you changing your vote now, clownshoes?

You claimed that the creator and steward of this thread is “sneaky” for voting according to his opinion, and that the thread lacks all credibility if the vote does not go your way.

Then you claimed not to care about the subject.

I have no problem with your opinion/vote on the rankings, and I do not question the credibility of these rankings, no matter the outcome of the vote.

No, I'm not changing my vote.

But I could have went Fury 1, Wilder 2. Usyk down to 3. Which would have made as much sense as your vote.

Yes, you “could have,” and guess what…I would not be accusing you of being “sneaky,” nor would I be questioning the credibility of the rankings while simultaneously asserting that I “don’t care.”

[Cyclops]

Are you changing your vote now, clownshoes?

You claimed that the creator and steward of this thread is “sneaky” for voting according to his opinion, and that the thread lacks all credibility if the vote does not go your way.

Then you claimed not to care about the subject.

I have no problem with your opinion/vote on the rankings, and I do not question the credibility of these rankings, no matter the outcome of the vote.

No, I'm not changing my vote.

But I could have went Fury 1, Wilder 2. Usyk down to 3. Which would have made as much sense as your vote.

Yes, you “could have,” and guess what…I would not be accusing you of being “sneaky,” nor would I be questioning the credibility of the rankings while simultaneously asserting that I “don’t care.”

You understand that these aren't the official rankings and are just a bit of fun amongst a bunch of nerds on an internet message board?