Fury overrated - pull your pants up

[mickey1975]

Some of you lot boil my piss. Fury came in overweight against one of the most fundamentally crude former heavyweight champions EVER. Got put on his backside twice, was arguably more gone in this fight than he was in r12 of the first fight, and desperately needed the bell in this one.

And yet some consider him to be a great fighter because he was involved in an unexpectedly exciting fight in which many predicted he’d coast to victory.

Only on Boringrec.

You remind me of Spud. He thought his opinion was worth more than everybody else's as well

Ah, Spud The Gofer!

Who was that heavyweight who gave Spud a slap for answering back under his breath? I think it was immortalised on film.

Is he still around? I half recall he said he had to call it a day in here as he'd been diagnosed with something. Hope he recovered.

That bloke got a long time for rape.

[dookus]

You remind me of Spud. He thought his opinion was worth more than everybody else's as well

Ah, Spud The Gofer!

Who was that heavyweight who gave Spud a slap for answering back under his breath? I think it was immortalised on film.

Is he still around? I half recall he said he had to call it a day in here as he'd been diagnosed with something. Hope he recovered.

That bloke got a long time for rape.

Paul King?

[Coco]

Wilder is terrible, he really is. Folk are getting a little over excited with Fury's wins over this guy. I ain't saying he is over rated though, but making a point how diabolical Wilder actually is. We've had 3 fights to see it.

Admittedly I gave Wilder a shot in the first fight, purely based on the Fury inactivity, but the subsequent performance by both in that first fight and since is how I have my view now.

I'd fancy most on this board v Wilder

Ummm, you are aware of my 7 consecutive losses and then forced into retirement by my mum who refused to drive me to any more competitions aren't you?

Yeah but Wilder is terrible

[jamesmcdonnell]

When us Fury critics are accused of being haters it's mostly untrue. It's because we've never anointed a champion for the ages prematurely before. I didn't like Ali much, but no-one can say he didn't back himself and prove his greatness.

Fury ducked Price but that's academic. He ducked Wlad in the rematch and that's academic. He hasn't fought Joshua yet but he'd beat him. Whyte?! He'd beat him and AJ on the same night. He doesn't need to fight Joyce because Joe's too slow. And I suppose he has to fight Usyk to cement his legacy, but only because Usyk has the other belts, and another win's a formality.

That's my impression of Fury's hardcore fans. Most of us outside that group aren't doing the opposite and saying he'd lose to every other top-tenner, because in fact we'd give him strong odds against everyone, we're just (if I can speak for others) frustrated with this idea of cementing his place in history from such a patchy record.

He'll never overtake Lewis on the list of British heavies for me, but he could definitely end up second. Or he could lose to a couple of those guys and fall down a whole bunch of places. He has clear strengths and weaknesses, where his strengths seem capable of causing further upsets, at the same time as his weaknesses haven't been truly tested yet. Can anyone test them...

We need several more fights to find out. And that's all it is. I'm ready to support him as a future HoFer if he comes through, but not if he retired now. And the more fights he has the better, because there are maybe eight relevant opponents out there. Three more years (minus rematch clauses) and he could meet them all. Let's start with Whyte (pending Wallin), the Usyk-AJ winner, and a third big fight next year (Joyce/Ruiz...).

If he cleared those he'd be well on his way to greatness. He's my provisional number-one, but he won't stay there if he goes back to roadsweepers next year while the other top heavies are busy fighting each other. He really has to fight the Uysk-AJ winner now, so thankfully I doubt that happens. Most of us blamed Calzaghe for fighting dudes from Middle Earth, y'know...

Fury says he puts himself above all other heavyweights in history, and the only other person to make that claim was Ali.

I find it hard to imagine Fury staying busy, doesn't seem to be his style.

I reckon he will have a filler fighter, Fight Usyk next year, and maybe once or twice more after that. Can't see him being motivated enough to fight more than that.

[Coco]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

[DrDuke]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

Wilder is a World class puncher, who can deliver it, so it's no shame in being caught by him, while overcoming it is a huge achievement. Although Fury has an ability not to get caught even by Wilder. He simply went reckless in the 4th.

[HomicideHenry]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

There are still some people who will bring up the Cunningham fight as though it is somehow proof that Fury has an iffy chin--- kind of like the critics of Ali bringing up Henry Cooper over the years until Ali demonstrated in the 1970s that he had a first class chin.

It certainly raises (to a point) Fury's all around value as a fighter because every time somebody says he can't punch he demonstrates he can hit. Every time somebody says he can't take a punch he shows he can. Every time somebody says he can't box he shows that nobody can touch him.

The man has went through four or five style changes since he's turned pro, and he never gets the credit for this at all. And I think when he retires he's going to be a bit like Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes where he went unappreciated by a bunch of people who did not know what they were getting as boxing fans.

He's a bit of a loose cannon and I think part of him did not train all that hard to demonstrate he can be not his best and still take out one of the top three heavyweights in the world no problems. That was the best version of Wilder I ever saw and he couldn't do the job.

[oogiebe]

I'll say this: Fury and Wilder brought out the best in one another. To be an all time great, a fighter needs Joe Frazier; a Rodrigo Valdez; a Ken Norton, etc. Someone who actually pushes you to the limit. To test your mettle; to allow you to show exactly what you're made for. This fight showed me how great Fury is. It also showed me how good Wilder is. Some overrate Fury and some underrate him. When it's all said and done, he'll be somewhere around Wlad's level all time.

[Counter-puncher]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

There are still some people who will bring up the Cunningham fight as though it is somehow proof that Fury has an iffy chin--- kind of like the critics of Ali bringing up Henry Cooper over the years until Ali demonstrated in the 1970s that he had a first class chin.

It certainly raises (to a point) Fury's all around value as a fighter because every time somebody says he can't punch he demonstrates he can hit. Every time somebody says he can't take a punch he shows he can. Every time somebody says he can't box he shows that nobody can touch him.

The man has went through four or five style changes since he's turned pro, and he never gets the credit for this at all. And I think when he retires he's going to be a bit like Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes where he went unappreciated by a bunch of people who did not know what they were getting as boxing fans.

He's a bit of a loose cannon and I think part of him did not train all that hard to demonstrate he can be not his best and still take out one of the top three heavyweights in the world no problems. That was the best version of Wilder I ever saw and he couldn't do the job.

Oh come on mate I love me some Tyson but no way did he deliberately undertrain to make some kind of point. As far as his evolution of styles go I agree, but this latest version is a distinct step back from the last one, his head movement, foot movement and feinting game were all way down on his best. If he has a serious fight against a threat I’d hope he wasn’t so complacent. A fat slow Tyson can absolutely be outpointed by Usyk, who may not be there to be leaned on and mauled if Tyson isn’t nimble enough to cut him off. I’d want the quick feinting Tyson against AJ too because that’s AJ’s kryptonite, big slob wrestling Tyson gives AJ a better chance than the Wilder 2 version,by far

[HomicideHenry]

I think for Wilder, Tyson Fury will always have his number. He could have came in 300 lb and still would have won. For somebody with better skills and ability of course Fury will come in better shape. I'd say Fury was somewhere between 60 and 70%. For a guy like Usyk he'd come in 90% or more.

[dookus]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

There are still some people who will bring up the Cunningham fight as though it is somehow proof that Fury has an iffy chin--- kind of like the critics of Ali bringing up Henry Cooper over the years until Ali demonstrated in the 1970s that he had a first class chin.

It certainly raises (to a point) Fury's all around value as a fighter because every time somebody says he can't punch he demonstrates he can hit. Every time somebody says he can't take a punch he shows he can. Every time somebody says he can't box he shows that nobody can touch him.

The man has went through four or five style changes since he's turned pro, and he never gets the credit for this at all. And I think when he retires he's going to be a bit like Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes where he went unappreciated by a bunch of people who did not know what they were getting as boxing fans.

He's a bit of a loose cannon and I think part of him did not train all that hard to demonstrate he can be not his best and still take out one of the top three heavyweights in the world no problems. That was the best version of Wilder I ever saw and he couldn't do the job.

Oh come on mate I love me some Tyson but no way did he deliberately undertrain to make some kind of point. As far as his evolution of styles go I agree, but this latest version is a distinct step back from the last one, his head movement, foot movement and feinting game were all way down on his best. If he has a serious fight against a threat I’d hope he wasn’t so complacent. A fat slow Tyson can absolutely be outpointed by Usyk, who may not be there to be leaned on and mauled if Tyson isn’t nimble enough to cut him off. I’d want the quick feinting Tyson against AJ too because that’s AJ’s kryptonite, big slob wrestling Tyson gives AJ a better chance than the Wilder 2 version,by far

Yeah. As fun a fight as that was, it's not the best Fury we've seen, and the way he acted before the fight I think he knew that too. It'll take a better performance to beat Usyk despite the size difference.

[Grilling Machine]

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone

Because he fought DLH, Pac and Mosley when they were past their primes. He even waited for Pac to start fading after he stopped Hatton sooner. They should've met in 2010/11, when Mayweather only fought 38yo Mosley and Ortiz. Williams was never given a shot. (I'd have backed Mayweather to beat a younger DLH.)

I think Calzaghe and Mayweather were as good as their reps, and maybe Fury too, but it's all a lot harder to gauge on account of padding. Can't criticise Fury for his past two years, but in his previous ten he's beaten McDermott, Chisora, Rogan, Cunningham and Klitschko. Not yet the run of a future legend.

every time somebody says he can't punch he demonstrates he can hit.

Wilder was exhausted both times, so my jury's still out on that one. Fury can punch harder than I previously thought, no doubt (and worthy of mention), but does he really bang hard enough to rock Joyce...

Latterday Joshua and Whyte, probably. But I still think he relies heavily on using his weight to tire opponents first. Wilder was on fumes for several rounds, struggling to not collapse from clinches, never mind a punch.

Re: Usyk, I feel confident he can take Fury's power for as long as he's fresh, but we know Fury's gameplan.

[oogiebe]

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone

Because he fought DLH, Pac and Mosley when they were past their primes. He even waited for Pac to start fading after he stopped Hatton sooner. They should've met in 2010/11, when Mayweather only fought 38yo Mosley and Ortiz. Williams was never given a shot. (I'd have backed Mayweather to beat a younger DLH.)

I think Calzaghe and Mayweather were as good as their reps, and maybe Fury too, but it's all a lot harder to gauge on account of padding. Can't criticise Fury for his past two years, but in his previous ten he's beaten McDermott, Chisora, Rogan, Cunningham and Klitschko. Not yet the run of a future legend.

every time somebody says he can't punch he demonstrates he can hit.

Wilder was exhausted both times, so my jury's still out on that one. Fury can punch harder than I previously thought, no doubt (and worthy of mention), but does he really bang hard enough to rock Joyce...

Latterday Joshua and Whyte, probably. But I still think he relies heavily on using his weight to tire opponents first. Wilder was on fumes for several rounds, struggling to not collapse from clinches, never mind a punch.

Re: Usyk, I feel confident he can take Fury's power for as long as he's fresh, but we know Fury's gameplan.

I remember several posters some time ago saying Fury had a lot of power if he just set his feet. While I wasn't one of them, they were certainly correct.

[HomicideHenry]

I don't believe he will employ exactly the same tactics against the Ukrainian as he did Wilder. Completely different kettle of fish and Fury is not a moron. It'll be a tweak to the current style with greater conditioning and speed.

[Fray Bentos]

I don't believe he will employ exactly the same tactics against the Ukrainian as he did Wilder. Completely different kettle of fish and Fury is not a moron. It'll be a tweak to the current style with greater conditioning and speed.

It will be more or less the same, he will go in and lean on him and tire him out, Fury has fast footwork and good agility so he will be able to catch up with Uysk and learn on him grab him, throw him around and tire him out over the course of 12 rounds - it will be similar to the way Riddick Bowe dealt with Herbie Hide (chin nowwithstanding...) Having Fury on top of him holding, grabbing and hitting him in the clinch will wear down Uysk - in my opinion.

I don't think he will be coming in at under 19 stone either.

[margaret thatcher]

Maybe one reason why Ali was considered the greatest was that he came back from the brink in fights and also rematches to win. Obv at his level he had suitable dance partners.

Whereas on the other hand someone like PBF was never taken to the brink or even taken out of his comfort zone, never genuinely on the floor. Maybe he didn't have the dance partners despite convincingly winning against a young Canelo.

Does Fury coming back from the brink increase or decrease his pedigree? Or would It have been better if no one was capable of taking him there?

Or is this a comment on his dance partners.

floyd was certainly taken out of his comfort zone by castillo, was also hurt a couple times

[coneye]

You knew has soon has the weights were announced , both these fighters were going after a ko ,, Tyson was always going to lean inside and use his weight , that is obvious not rocket science ,,, Against Ysyk though that weight would be stupid , he'd be trying to hit a fly , AJ is better technicly than Wilder , not much smaller than Fury and got schooled , Fury trying to use his weight would get schooled has well ,,, Tyson could and probably will beat Usyk , but he will have to be lighter and faster than what he was against Wilder , but even losing some pudding he's still more than big enough to out maul Usyk if he gets close , and he has the footwork to catch Usyk , for me a Fury win , if he takes the correct approach .

Regards the fight , it was a cracker , not technical but still a cracker ,, I've said on here before ,, does'nt matter if the two guys can fight , has long has they think they can , and are evenly matched and willing to have a fight then you will see a great fight ,, This proved my point , a big boxer versus a big puncher , both with good and bad points , both willing and wanting to have a fight , and they gave us a very very exciting fight to watch

[margaret thatcher]

i think as long as fury takes usyk seriously he should win, he has huge size advantage and unlike aj he's equipped through his own skill and footwork to deal with usyks tricks. though it will be an awkward fight and i think usyk is good enough to have his moments and not be levelled

furys danger lies in not taking things totally seriously, he easily couldve been stopped on that cut vs wallin and has had some struggles with guys you wouldnt have really expected to be that dangerous. if he sees usyk being merely just some tiny light hitting guy, thats when we'd be most likely to see a surprise

[DrDuke]

I'll say this: Fury and Wilder brought out the best in one another. To be an all time great, a fighter needs Joe Frazier; a Rodrigo Valdez; a Ken Norton, etc. Someone who actually pushes you to the limit. To test your mettle; to allow you to show exactly what you're made for. This fight showed me how great Fury is. It also showed me how good Wilder is. Some overrate Fury and some underrate him. When it's all said and done, he'll be somewhere around Wlad's level all time.

He'll be way higher than Wlad. Actually, he's already on par with him. He beat and dethroned him, how 'bout that? And the likes of Haye, Chagaev, Pulev, Peter are quite comparable with the likes of Wilder, Wallin and Chisora.

[margaret thatcher]

fury's biggest lack is depth, after wlad and wilder his opposition is pretty weak. chisora is a top 3 guy he's beaten

[DrDuke]

fury's biggest lack is depth, after wlad and wilder his opposition is pretty weak. chisora is a top 3 guy he's beaten

Just like in a case with the HoFer Vitali.

[margaret thatcher]

vitali shitschko

[Counter-puncher]

You knew has soon has the weights were announced , both these fighters were going after a ko ,, Tyson was always going to lean inside and use his weight , that is obvious not rocket science ,,, Against Ysyk though that weight would be stupid , he'd be trying to hit a fly , AJ is better technicly than Wilder , not much smaller than Fury and got schooled , Fury trying to use his weight would get schooled has well ,,, Tyson could and probably will beat Usyk , but he will have to be lighter and faster than what he was against Wilder , but even losing some pudding he's still more than big enough to out maul Usyk if he gets close , and he has the footwork to catch Usyk , for me a Fury win , if he takes the correct approach .

[TheGman]

Fury overatted? Not a chance,I will say he did look out of shape in this fight and yes it wasn't a technical fight but for the viewers and the average guy who just watches the big fights this was an exciting fight and had you on the edge of your seat.
It reminded me at times as two guy fighting outside the pub lol but fury proved he has a great chin,he can out fight anyone,he can box and muller anyone,was a great advertisement for heavyweight boxing,better than these youtubers and old timers coming back at 60.

[Counter-puncher]

great advertisement for heavyweight boxing,better than these youtubers and old timers coming back at 60.