polecateddy wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:54
Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:32
At this point Fury is in 2nd spot behind Lewis, but only due to the lack of longevity of defences & at this point not being undisputed, to cement his legacy and put him in that No.1 spot for me Fury would need to fight his mandatory (winner of whyte/wallin) next defending his title and winning, then fight the winner of Usky/Joshua 2 for undisputed championship and win that becoming undisputed champion, then maybe defends his undisputed against either the loser so in a rematch in there fight or move on and fight the loser of the Joshua/usyk fight and give them a shot again defending his undisputed titles, so he’s fought them all, then for me with their wins and in achievements it puts him has not only the greatest British fighter of all time but greatest heavyweight in history and in the top 2 if not the the greatest boxers ever in history. He will be the only heavyweight to beat 3 Olympic champions, plus other Olympians & medalists, in his head count, to win every title there is to win, went away from home and dethroned the man who was the man and the longest reigning champion in Klitschko, then going away from home (not even taking into account his personal struggles & comebacks) and beat the long reigning, biggest puncher in boxing history, he will also be undefeated which is another amazing achievement to add to the long list & beat current champions, past champions, and the future champions after he’s retired cementing his legacy.
Love him or hate him there is not a single person that can argue or play down any of those facts or be able to rate anyone higher, in any department or achievements, also in the past who beats him ? IMO no one, the closet would be Lewis, has he was a skilful, solid punching, big man who could throw combinations (something today’s heavyweights other than Ruiz don’t and can’t do) but for me the movement, size & ability of fury hedges him IMO to beat Lewis, I can understand there may be the argument the division isn’t as solid has the 90’s era and that’s true, but the size of the modern day heavyweights along with all the Olympians has champions/past & current & coming into the division makes it a close second to that era and the best it’s been since & even prior to that era which again stands fury in the definite No.1 spot in history full stop if he can complete them achievements I laid out in his next 3 fights above
Sometimes when they do the 100 best movies of all-time, you always end up with a sprinkling of films that came out that year. People have such short memories. I think the problem with getting to carried away with Fury's abilities is that if Usyk widely outpoints him or Joyce wears him out and stops him, then he immediately overnight drops well down any all-time ranking list. Plus Wilder is quite poor and in no way the biggest puncher of all-time. That's just really silly!
So exactly what I said, he if beats usyk, Joshua, whyte, the next best 3 heavyweights (2 of which are former world champions & Olympic gold medalists) then there is no argument, and I think what is really silly (in your words) is the fact you disagree with the proven, statistical facts that wilder is in fact the biggest puncher in heavyweight history & most probably in the history of boxing as a whole
And As far has being technically poor, well that goes without saying, no one can deny that about wilder, hence I never mentioned his actual boxing ability from a technical point Of view just his punch power, and the fact he was a medalist Olympian and long reigning world champion, I will say again he must defend, unify & beat those 3 names to cement his legacy and take his position has being number 1 and achieving things that no other heavyweight has ever done, and not many boxers in any weight division for that fact, & non from these shores at all, beaten longest reigning world champion away from home, defeated long reigning world champion who also was also former Olympian medalist & biggest puncher in boxing history, again away from home, beat 3 Olympic gold medalists ( something no other boxer has done ) will retire unbeaten, unfied the division, defended, 2 x lineal heavyweight champion, won every title there was to win all the way through, beat the old guard, beat the current guard and beat the new up & coming, so much to list, but again only if he beats those 3 names, defending in the process & unifying, that’s then cements him firmly has numero uno, no argument at all
And As far has being technically poor, well that goes without saying, no one can deny that about wilder, hence I never mentioned his actual boxing ability from a technical point Of view just his punch power, and the fact he was a medalist Olympian and long reigning world champion, I will say again he must defend, unify & beat those 3 names to cement his legacy and take his position has being number 1 and achieving things that no other heavyweight has ever done, and not many boxers in any weight division for that fact, & non from these shores at all, beaten longest reigning world champion away from home, defeated long reigning world champion who also was also former Olympian medalist & biggest puncher in boxing history, again away from home, beat 3 Olympic gold medalists ( something no other boxer has done ) will retire unbeaten, unfied the division, defended, 2 x lineal heavyweight champion, won every title there was to win all the way through, beat the old guard, beat the current guard and beat the new up & coming, so much to list, but again only if he beats those 3 names, defending in the process & unifying, that’s then cements him firmly has numero uno, no argument at all