Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

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caldo2025 wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:10 I don’t see why people are so down on rubber matches. I’d LOVE to see AJ beat Usyk in a rematch to force a third one. Boxers also should like them because of the total earning potential of trilogies. For instance, who would rather see a better fight than Choco/Estrada’s third fight in that division? To me, their fight this year was my favorite even with the horrendous decision.

Bring on the rematches and the trilogies. People are getting too caught up in these Undesputed scenarios where they are almost impossible to make.
People are down on the rematches, because recently rematches get planned before first fights.
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Re: Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

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DrDuke wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:22
caldo2025 wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:10 I don’t see why people are so down on rubber matches. I’d LOVE to see AJ beat Usyk in a rematch to force a third one. Boxers also should like them because of the total earning potential of trilogies. For instance, who would rather see a better fight than Choco/Estrada’s third fight in that division? To me, their fight this year was my favorite even with the horrendous decision.

Bring on the rematches and the trilogies. People are getting too caught up in these Undesputed scenarios where they are almost impossible to make.
People are down on the rematches, because recently rematches get planned before first fights.
I see the point but it’s rare that we see rematches that weren’t deemed appropriate in terms of public demand and more importantly, financial gain by most involved. If a fight poorly performs financially initially, odds are very low at an immediate rematch. Immediate rematches have to hit a lot more levels of approval.

Rematches are great for Boxing. If a new fan is to see a great fight like Choco/Estrada 2, that fan is going to most likely see the rematch and perhaps bring in other new fans bc of the rivalry formed between 2 now known boxers. That same fan would be less excited to see Estrada fight a #5 contender only known to existing fans of the sport. Just my opinion. Could be wrong. But I’ve always loved rematches. Look at how many people still clamoring for Canelo/GGG 3 all of these years. Much rather see it instead of Plant/Canelo fight that won’t generate even half of the funds overall.
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Re: Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

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caldo2025 wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:54
DrDuke wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:22
caldo2025 wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 10:10 I don’t see why people are so down on rubber matches. I’d LOVE to see AJ beat Usyk in a rematch to force a third one. Boxers also should like them because of the total earning potential of trilogies. For instance, who would rather see a better fight than Choco/Estrada’s third fight in that division? To me, their fight this year was my favorite even with the horrendous decision.

Bring on the rematches and the trilogies. People are getting too caught up in these Undesputed scenarios where they are almost impossible to make.
People are down on the rematches, because recently rematches get planned before first fights.
I see the point but it’s rare that we see rematches that weren’t deemed appropriate in terms of public demand and more importantly, financial gain by most involved. If a fight poorly performs financially initially, odds are very low at an immediate rematch. Immediate rematches have to hit a lot more levels of approval.

Rematches are great for Boxing. If a new fan is to see a great fight like Choco/Estrada 2, that fan is going to most likely see the rematch and perhaps bring in other new fans bc of the rivalry formed between 2 now known boxers. That same fan would be less excited to see Estrada fight a #5 contender only known to existing fans of the sport. Just my opinion. Could be wrong. But I’ve always loved rematches. Look at how many people still clamoring for Canelo/GGG 3 all of these years. Much rather see it instead of Plant/Canelo fight that won’t generate even half of the funds overall.
Those examples are good for rematches, cause they were between the best fighters. Fury-Wilder and Usyk-Joshua are cases, where the two best guys rematch against the candidates for the Bronze.
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Re: Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 19 Oct 2021, 13:09
bobcatbox wrote: 18 Oct 2021, 20:47
mcrow24 wrote: 18 Oct 2021, 11:45
Anyone that states he's not the best Heavyweight right now is a fool. There's only one fighter that's a legit threat at the moment and he's a cruiserweight moving up and would be a huge size disadvantage. He may be a better boxer, but unless he beats Fury I don't see how you can call him the #1 heavyweight.
I think Fury thumps him to be honest. Usyk too small, and Fury is a far superior boxer to Joshua. I think he’d thump Ruiz too. Only heavy alive with a decent odds on chance of beating him was Wilder and that’s because he had the power to vanquish him. Fury is iron chinned and refuses to lose though.
He's not iron chinned, but he has great powers of recovery.
Fair enough. And the heart of a lion.
He’s a great fighter. The best of this era.
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Re: Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

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bobcatbox wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 18:02
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 19 Oct 2021, 13:09
bobcatbox wrote: 18 Oct 2021, 20:47

I think Fury thumps him to be honest. Usyk too small, and Fury is a far superior boxer to Joshua. I think he’d thump Ruiz too. Only heavy alive with a decent odds on chance of beating him was Wilder and that’s because he had the power to vanquish him. Fury is iron chinned and refuses to lose though.
He's not iron chinned, but he has great powers of recovery.
Fair enough. And the heart of a lion.
He’s a great fighter. The best of this era.
He's the best heavyweight currently, but by no means is he the best fighter of his era.
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