If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win

[ironbeard]

Tyson was a 23½ year old undisputed world heavyweight champion engaging in his eleventh title bout and seeking his seventh consecutive KO victory when he fought James ‘Buster’ Douglas.

When Douglas entered the ring in the Tokyo Dome, he was a 42/1 underdog that had previously failed to defeat the likes of:

• Tony Tucker
• Jesse Ferguson
• Mike White
• Steffen Tangstad
• David Bey

Most of these guys were either beaten by Tyson himself or Mike’s previous victims.

Buster Douglas’ victory over Mike Tyson is widely-regarded as the biggest upset in boxing history.

Douglas’ victory over Tyson was the final notable win of his career, because he was subsequently destroyed by Evander Holyfield and Lou Savarese, as well as scoring several lacklustre victories over journeymen calibre opposition.

None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.

Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.

Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.

Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.

Resume dictation.

You’ve just claimed the vast majority of the entire population of planet earth wasn’t paying attention in 1990 and that Mike Tyson is the most over-hyped champion of your lifetime… and I’m guessing you’re at least fifty years of age!

“Nonsense dictation.”

Yes, your dictation of stats is nonsense relative to the facts of Tyson’s state mid 1988 through February 11, 1990. The evidence was clear. The hype of Iron Mike’s invulnerability was the bright light blinding the masses.

Tyson, even at his best, was always vulnerable to a bigger, longer, stronger, skilled HW. It was ALWAYS just a matter of time. That time was hastened by Tyson being blinded by his own hype.

[apollo creed]

Anyone who was alive and paying attention in 1989/90 knew Douglas was a VERY live dog going into the fight.

Tyson was the most over hyped HW champion in my lifetime.

Tyson was a 23½ year old undisputed world heavyweight champion engaging in his eleventh title bout and seeking his seventh consecutive KO victory when he fought James ‘Buster’ Douglas.

When Douglas entered the ring in the Tokyo Dome, he was a 42/1 underdog that had previously failed to defeat the likes of:

• Tony Tucker
• Jesse Ferguson
• Mike White
• Steffen Tangstad
• David Bey

Most of these guys were either beaten by Tyson himself or Mike’s previous victims.

Buster Douglas’ victory over Mike Tyson is widely-regarded as the biggest upset in boxing history.

Douglas’ victory over Tyson was the final notable win of his career, because he was subsequently destroyed by Evander Holyfield and Lou Savarese, as well as scoring several lacklustre victories over journeymen calibre opposition.

None of which took into account Tyson’s show of a marriage, dumping of the team that helped him succeed, lack of training focus and loss of the fundamentals that were the foundation of his ability to defeat larger/longer opponents, sudden inactivity, media and marketing obligations that he was not mature enough to manage.

Tyson was ripe for upset. The fact that the upset came at the hands of such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is all the evidence needed for my case.

Just because the vast majority of people did not take those things into account, driving the odds to ridiculousness, does not change the fact that Tyson was ripe to the point of rotten for an upset. People paying attention knew that and made a lot of money based on that risk/reward equation.

Tyson was always there for the taking if he was not in absolute peak condition and total focus. He was nowhere near either going into the Douglas fight. I was not the only one who was well aware of it. Many just refused to see the reality of Tyson’s situation, choosing to believe the hype that he was untouchable.

Resume dictation.

That's true. Mike came in boxing as a poor kid from the ghetto and then when he tasted fame, money, puss.y, cars, coke, etc , he switched up in a savage party mode.

But for a HW midget he did pretty damn well. I think he was very hyped at that time to generate more money. In reality I think a guy like Ike Ibeabuchi or David Tua would've given a tough fight to a 1988 Mike Tyson. Not to mention about Lennox, Holy or Riddick Bowe.

[554080]

[candyslim]

Although if someone has been banned 7-8 times and is on yet another account (or 2), maybe having attention brought to them with the mods isnt the best thing

Maggie how cynical, i'm shocked

[oogiebe]

When I review Plant’s resume and highlight-reel, I simply can’t regard him as a bigger (or a remotely similar) underdog than when Buster Douglas upset Mike Tyson.

Anyone who was alive and paying attention in 1989/90 knew Douglas was a VERY live dog going into the fight.

Tyson was the most over hyped HW champion in my lifetime. All the signs were there for a potential upset. None of those signs are there in Canelo v Plant, with the exception of size/length.

Plant is also a live dog, but he is NOT facing a weakened and distracted version of Canelo. Douglas defeated the shell of Mike Tyson.

Not a one had Douglas as a 'live' underdog back then. You couldn't even get a bet on Douglas to win.

[ironbeard]

When I review Plant’s resume and highlight-reel, I simply can’t regard him as a bigger (or a remotely similar) underdog than when Buster Douglas upset Mike Tyson.

Anyone who was alive and paying attention in 1989/90 knew Douglas was a VERY live dog going into the fight.

Tyson was the most over hyped HW champion in my lifetime. All the signs were there for a potential upset. None of those signs are there in Canelo v Plant, with the exception of size/length.

Plant is also a live dog, but he is NOT facing a weakened and distracted version of Canelo. Douglas defeated the shell of Mike Tyson.

Not a one had Douglas as a 'live' underdog back then. You couldn't even get a bet on Douglas to win.

Not true.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio ... rovell/amp

[oogiebe]

Anyone who was alive and paying attention in 1989/90 knew Douglas was a VERY live dog going into the fight.

Tyson was the most over hyped HW champion in my lifetime. All the signs were there for a potential upset. None of those signs are there in Canelo v Plant, with the exception of size/length.

Plant is also a live dog, but he is NOT facing a weakened and distracted version of Canelo. Douglas defeated the shell of Mike Tyson.

Not a one had Douglas as a 'live' underdog back then. You couldn't even get a bet on Douglas to win.

Not true.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio ... rovell/amp

I don't include illegal bookies. Vegas wouldn't take any bets on Douglas to win.

[oogiebe]

Not a one had Douglas as a 'live' underdog back then. You couldn't even get a bet on Douglas to win.

Not true.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio ... rovell/amp

LOL! A wild flier at 38-1 is just that. I don't include illegal bookies. Vegas wouldn't take any bets on Douglas to win.

[ironbeard]

Not a one had Douglas as a 'live' underdog back then. You couldn't even get a bet on Douglas to win.

Not true.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio ... rovell/amp

I don't include illegal bookies. Vegas wouldn't take any bets on Douglas to win.

Again, not true. The Mirage took bets and I won a tidy sum.

[margaret thatcher]

/what's a more recent upset you think is the equivalent of the tyson-douglas?

i wasnt following boxing back then but the fight has been so over covered that id assumed it was an utterly massive upset that close to no one was predicting

[ironbeard]

/what's a more recent upset you think is the equivalent of the tyson-douglas?

i wasnt following boxing back then but the fight has been so over covered that id assumed it was an utterly massive upset that close to no one was predicting

You and everyone else who assumes that are correct that it must be considered “an utterly massive upset that close to no one was predicting.” However, as I stated previously, and as the piece I linked above points out…

6. The signs that Tyson was vulnerable were there. They were just ignored.

Tyson came to Japan a month before the fight and didn’t want to train. “All I was interested in was partying and f—ing women,” Tyson would later say.

At a sparring session that King charged $60 to get in, Tyson’s sparring partner Greg Page knocked him down and King reportedly kicked people out of the gym.

[margaret thatcher]

true true, there are those things, and buster despite his previous losses clearly had some talent, but even then mike tyson just seemed like a such a force that even off his game he'd still do it.

maybe that guy who won money on buster was biff from back to the future, with that betting scheme he was running

[ironbeard]

true true, there are those things, and buster despite his previous losses clearly had some talent, but even then mike tyson just seemed like a such a force that even off his game he'd still do it.

maybe that guy who won money on buster was biff from back to the future, with that betting scheme he was running

Biff?! I thought we was bruhs?

[margaret thatcher]

it's that bruh named biff. biff bruh

you know the guy........hey, mcfly!

dude went into the future , then he knew all the results and made dat cash betting

[ironbeard]

it's that bruh named biff. biff bruh

you know the guy........hey, mcfly!

dude went into the future , then he knew all the results and made dat cash betting

Bruh I know who Biff was bruh and I am no Biff bruh.

[oogiebe]

Not true.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio ... rovell/amp

I don't include illegal bookies. Vegas wouldn't take any bets on Douglas to win.

Again, not true. The Mirage took bets and I won a tidy sum.

True, Vaccaro was the only one.

[ironbeard]

/what's a more recent upset you think is the equivalent of the tyson-douglas?

I failed to answer your question in my earlier reply.

I think that Fury’s upset of WKlit was on par with Douglas v Tyson. Of course, the odds were not as long but the obvious signs were there. I did not bet on that fight, but I was not shocked by the result.

IMO, Plant upsetting Canelo would be a bigger upset than Douglas v Tyson, which was not a huge surprise for me, although I was ecstatic about the outcome for obvious reasons.

Leon Spinks upset of Ali was bigger than all of them combined for me.

[oogiebe]

I don't include illegal bookies. Vegas wouldn't take any bets on Douglas to win.

Again, not true. The Mirage took bets and I won a tidy sum.

True, Vaccaro was the only one.

Some facts.

From the same article you cherry picked comments:

4. No matter how high the Mirage raised the odds, bets on Tyson kept coming in.

With Douglas at 27-1 and Tyson at 1-27, Vaccaro said he got a bet on Tyson. It was a $54,000 bet to win $2,000. He then raised it to 31-1 on Douglas and 1-31 on Tyson.

“I got something like a $93,000 bet on Tyson to win $3,000,” Vaccaro said. “It was seen as such a sure thing.”

Vaccaro said what made his position so unique was that, unlike so many of his other compatriots in Vegas, he didn’t have to check with executives upstairs to make these moves. He had the authority to do them himself.

5. Douglas was offered at 42-to-1, but a bet was never made at that price. A bettor did take Tyson at 1-to-42.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said. “I remember him saying to me, ‘No fighter deserves that much respect.'”

Vaccaro said the biggest bet he received on Tyson was $168,000 to win $4,000.

“He told me he’d be back to collect his money,” Vaccaro said. “He obviously didn’t come back.”

https://www.actionnetwork.com/boxing/mi ... ren-rovell

[ironbeard]

Again, not true. The Mirage took bets and I won a tidy sum.

True, Vaccaro was the only one.

Some facts.

From the same article you cherry picked comments:

4. No matter how high the Mirage raised the odds, bets on Tyson kept coming in.

With Douglas at 27-1 and Tyson at 1-27, Vaccaro said he got a bet on Tyson. It was a $54,000 bet to win $2,000. He then raised it to 31-1 on Douglas and 1-31 on Tyson.

“I got something like a $93,000 bet on Tyson to win $3,000,” Vaccaro said. “It was seen as such a sure thing.”

Vaccaro said what made his position so unique was that, unlike so many of his other compatriots in Vegas, he didn’t have to check with executives upstairs to make these moves. He had the authority to do them himself.

5. Douglas was offered at 42-to-1, but a bet was never made at that price. A bettor did take Tyson at 1-to-42.

“I took a $1,500 bet from an old wiseguy at 38-to-1,” Vaccaro said. “I remember him saying to me, ‘No fighter deserves that much respect.'”

Vaccaro said the biggest bet he received on Tyson was $168,000 to win $4,000.

“He told me he’d be back to collect his money,” Vaccaro said. “He obviously didn’t come back.”

https://www.actionnetwork.com/boxing/mi ... ren-rovell

I did not “cherry pick” anything. I provided you with the link to the entire article.

You seem to be having an off night on the accuracy front.

I have agreed that the odds were historically long. I have acknowledged that the vast majority of humanity was blinded by the hype, unable to recognize the obvious signs of a possible upset.

[oogiebe]

Everyone came out as a monday morning quarterback. No one called this. I think the story about the old wise guy making that bet was how it went down. "no fighter deserves that much respect."

[ironbeard]

Another upset that I consider on par with Douglas v Tyson is Big John Tate v Mike Weaver. I bet a considerable sum on Weaver and his power and Tate’s less than top level jaw paid off, just in the nick of time.

[ironbeard]

Everyone came out as a monday morning quarterback. No one called this. I think the story about the old wise guy making that bet was how it went down. "no fighter deserves that much respect."

Yet another swing and a miss. I called that Tyson would be taken out by a good big HW WHEN he lost focus and failed to come into the ring in tip top shape, years prior to the Douglas fight.

I never said that I specifically called Douglas over Tyson. I said that I bet on Douglas to win due to the odds and the available intelligence.

Thanks for playing.

[oogiebe]

Everyone came out as a monday morning quarterback. No one called this. I think the story about the old wise guy making that bet was how it went down. "no fighter deserves that much respect."

Yet another swing and a miss. I called that Tyson would be taken out by a good big HW WHEN he lost focus and failed to come into the ring in tip top shape, years prior to the Douglas fight.

I never said that I specifically called Douglas over Tyson. I said that I bet on Douglas to win due to the odds and the available intelligence.

Thanks for playing.

LMFAO! No one thought Douglas was a good big HW. Stop making shit up IB. Yeah, we all knew MT struggled with bigger guys (struggled comparatively). I'm sure a lot of folks tried (and some did) get a bet down on Douglas purely because of the odds. Had it been a fighter like Bowe or Lewis, it wouldn't have been a huge surprise. But it was Douglas. Still the greatest upset in HW history.

[ironbeard]

Everyone came out as a monday morning quarterback. No one called this. I think the story about the old wise guy making that bet was how it went down. "no fighter deserves that much respect."

Yet another swing and a miss. I called that Tyson would be taken out by a good big HW WHEN he lost focus and failed to come into the ring in tip top shape, years prior to the Douglas fight.

I never said that I specifically called Douglas over Tyson. I said that I bet on Douglas to win due to the odds and the available intelligence.

Thanks for playing.

LMFAO! No one thought Douglas was a good big HW. Stop making shit up IB. Yeah, we all knew MT struggled with bigger guys (struggled comparatively). I'm sure a lot of folks tried (and some did) get a bet down on Douglas purely because of the odds. Had it been a fighter like Bowe or Lewis, it wouldn't have been a huge surprise. But it was Douglas. Still the greatest upset in HW history.

I already stated in this thread that the fact that Tyson was upset by such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is clear evidence that “Iron Mike” was over ripe for an upset.

You have sunk to pitying level at this point, bruh.

[oogiebe]

Yet another swing and a miss. I called that Tyson would be taken out by a good big HW WHEN he lost focus and failed to come into the ring in tip top shape, years prior to the Douglas fight.

I never said that I specifically called Douglas over Tyson. I said that I bet on Douglas to win due to the odds and the available intelligence.

Thanks for playing.

LMFAO! No one thought Douglas was a good big HW. Stop making shit up IB. Yeah, we all knew MT struggled with bigger guys (struggled comparatively). I'm sure a lot of folks tried (and some did) get a bet down on Douglas purely because of the odds. Had it been a fighter like Bowe or Lewis, it wouldn't have been a huge surprise. But it was Douglas. Still the greatest upset in HW history.

I already stated in this thread that the fact that Tyson was upset by such an undisciplined, unaccomplished, mediocre boxer is clear evidence that “Iron Mike” was over ripe for an upset.

You have sunk to pitying level at this point, bruh.

What does that even mean?

Your first sentence is a Captain Obvious moment. After the fact everyone knew.