Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Enlightened-One
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Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

Post by Enlightened-One »

A lacklustre performance from Canelo.

He coasted against a timid Caleb Plant.

Canelo became complacent about Plant’s power and walked towards the American during the sixth with his hands by his side, dodging Caleb’s shots via head movement.

Towards the end of the seventh round, Canelo voluntarily rested his back on the ropes trying to goad Plant to attack, but the American refrained, because he seemed fearful of being countered.

Canelo’s body shots clearly took their toll, and it was clear that the Mexican was steering the American around the ring anti-clockwise, with Caleb Plants left rib cage appearing very red, suggesting bruising after being on the receiving end of so many heavy-handed right hooks to the body.

Caleb Plant was valiant, but he appeared fatigued and completely ran out of ideas from the fourth round onwards. He didn’t try to adapt his failing gameplan.

From round four onwards, the bout was fairly easy to score.

Of course, Plant threw more shots, but he was only armed with a pea shooter. And in my mind, throwing lots of feathery light shots will never outscore an opponent equipped with a grenade launcher!

That said, I awarded Caleb Plant two rounds and if I watched the bout again and decided to be generous, I might have even given him a third.

But to be clear, Caleb Plant didn’t “win” the rounds I awarded him, it was more about Canelo’s overly relaxed approach and poor work-rate resulting in the Mexican voluntarily “losing” them.

Canelo looked a little frustrated at times because his awkward opponent was excessively negative-minded.

So, I wasn’t particularly impressed by Canelo’s performance last night. He coasted to victory and did what he needed to do, but the fight was a little too easy for my liking, with the Mexican being a tad lackadaisical.

Don’t get me wrong, unifying the division is a marvellous achievement and competing four times (beating three physically larger undefeated world champions) in less than 10½ months is also a fantastic feat.

However, Canelo looked subpar. And I don’t know if it was because he underestimated Caleb Plant, is tight at the weight or is fatigued after competing too often, but he wasn’t at his best last night.

Perhaps he needs a decent rest, time away from the gym, and also consider making a permanent jump to 175lbs.

Thoughts? :confused:
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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No, he wasn't. There were questions to him after Kovalev and Saunders. He isn't superhuman and can't score shotouts like Callum Smith against every opponent. Eveything was OK. He won Plant confidently.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Everybody has an off night. Even Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali looked subpar from time to time. You're not going to look spectacular every time out. Canelo didn't look all that impressive against Billie Joe Saunders either until he landed that hook that broke his orbital socket.
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It's getting results when you're having difficulties with an opponent that sets the greats apart.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Wow. Dumb thread. Plant can fight. Canelo did what he always does. He's great but not invincible, this fight was similar to the Kovalev fight. We've seen Canelo do this his entire career..
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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gilgamesh wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 16:08 Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
Yep everyone has unrealistic expectations. Canelo was winning handily and then knocks him out.
I guess the want a 1st round ko or to knock Plants head off his body and into the 4th row.
Stupid topic
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Harsh to say Canelo was subpar. How about giving Caleb some credit. His plan was to counter and move and he seemed to do it well moist of the night. I had the fight closer than most I would say, although I didn't have Canelo ahead and it was only a matter of time until the shoulder roll failed Caleb.
Caleb proved he deserved to be in the ring and Canelo proved he is at the pinnacle.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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tiny_acres wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 18:35
gilgamesh wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 16:08 Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
Yep everyone has unrealistic expectations. Canelo was winning handily and then knocks him out.
I guess the want a 1st round ko or to knock Plants head off his body and into the 4th row.
Stupid topic
My feeling is EO wants attention.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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lazboy wrote: 08 Nov 2021, 03:06
tiny_acres wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 18:35
gilgamesh wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 16:08 Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
Yep everyone has unrealistic expectations. Canelo was winning handily and then knocks him out.
I guess the want a 1st round ko or to knock Plants head off his body and into the 4th row.
Stupid topic
My feeling is EO wants attention.
what an egregious estimation of the poor man's philantropic intentions!

what in the effin' world could possibly lead you to this absurd assumption? blasphemy!

the man doesn't even know what 'attention seeker' means?

half jesus christ reborn half altruistiic research robot, this pure as fresh fallen shit, benevolent being's eternal destiny is to enlighten his devoted community with irrefutable facts, encyclopedic knowledge and godlike wisdom about the pugilistic world.

he doesn't have a single vain thought in his beautiful mind.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Ridiculous thread. Canelo won arguably every round then stopped Plant. No one can tell me that Plant won a single round convincingly. When Canelo fought Saunders, I was actually scoring rounds for Saunders without any stress of it being close. Even if you are one of Plant's 10 fans, you'd scratch your head finding rounds he won clear.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

Post by margaret thatcher »

by his standards he was average. was ahead and ended nicely vs a good fighter, but couldve done a better job of tracking plant down and putting shots together in the first half, seemed a bit thrown off with the movement
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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No.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Mexi-Box wrote: 08 Nov 2021, 14:18 Ridiculous thread. Canelo won arguably every round then stopped Plant. No one can tell me that Plant won a single round convincingly. When Canelo fought Saunders, I was actually scoring rounds for Saunders without any stress of it being close. Even if you are one of Plant's 10 fans, you'd scratch your head finding rounds he won clear.
Plant won several rounds. The first one was quite convincing, cause Canelo simply did almost nothing there. And it's odd to see clear Saunders' rounds, while not giving Plant a single.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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Mexi-Box wrote: 08 Nov 2021, 14:18Ridiculous thread.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m singing Canelo’s praises – unifying the super-middleweight division is a marvellous achievement.

But I can’t help feeling he wasn’t at his best against Plant.

The commentary teams on Showtime & BT Sports conveyed the same message my eyeballs were telling me when I watched the same bout twice.

I recall during round six, one of the commentators saying that Canelo isn't quite at full speed yet. And I felt the very same way.

The words “workmanlike”, “unspectacular” and “mediocre” were common prefixes for the media’s portrayal of Canelo’s “performance.”

And of course, it’s impossible for any fighter to always be at their best for every bout.

I’m only speculating the reasons why Canelo might not have been at his best against Plant (i.e. took the opponent lightly, fatigued due to competing too often or perhaps being tight at the weight?)
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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I think it’s difficult to look spectacular when your opponent fights as defensively as Plant did especially being the shorter man. I gave Plant 3 (it may have been 4 at most) rounds from memory but they weren’t rounds he dominated just rounds where he did slightly more than Canelo. Most of those were rounds that you knew Canelo was going to be given by the judges though.
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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gilgamesh wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 16:08 Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
Exactly
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Re: Was Canelo subpar against Caleb Plant?

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gilgamesh wrote: 07 Nov 2021, 16:08 Sub par? Off night?

Did you guys watch the fight?

Canelo had won 8 of the first 10 rounds, and then knocked out Plant in the 11th.

What'd you want him to do?
i agree i thought plant took or knicked the 1st and 3rd but after that canelo cut the the ring laned big shots when he could , plant is a tough akward boxer he can move and punch but mostly backwards , i fought it was a tough and tricky fight and one of saul better wins and he got a good stoppage, it was never going to be a dog fight
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