Canelo's Coach Does Not Believe Benavidez Has Earned a Fight

[Bandog]

Canelo was 15½ years of age when gained a split decision victory over a future IBF lightweight world champion, Miguel Vazquez, in only his third outing.

Both men were competing at 140lbs at the time of this bout, which is 28lbs lighter than the super-middleweight limit or at least 50lbs lighter than the WBC's cruiserweight limit.

Anyway, four years later, Miguel Vazquez subsequently engaged in eight IBF world lightweight title fights (only losing one of them by split decision), enjoyed a world title reign spanning more than four years, with seven of his career bouts to-date against world champions.

Therefore, Canelo defeated his first world champion in the paid ranks more than a year prior to the age David Benavidez made his pro debut.

Canelo was 20½ years of age when he captured his first world title.

A gentle reminder of Canelo's achievements when he reached 25 years of age:

Canelo had already engaged in 49 bouts, won world titles in two weight divisions, competed in ten world title fights, with the Mexican having fought world champions during ten of his contests (three of them were Hall-of-Famers - two were members of the pound-for-pound elite at the time of those fights).

I guess in your world insincerely theatrical emojis is an effective debating ploy used to undermine real-world facts?

Good for you kid!

No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

[Enlightened-One]

No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

I think what you’re really trying to say is that facts upset you. And you’re demanding that I respect my elders, even those that are always wrong!

For instance:

Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Surely you mean, someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo?

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

And yet you still claim Canelo is ducking David Benavidez?

[Bandog]

No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

I think what you’re really trying to say is that facts upset you. And you’re demanding that I respect my elders, even those that are always wrong!

For instance:

Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Surely you mean, someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo?

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

And yet you still claim Canelo is ducking David Benavidez?

He's more than a contender. He is a 2x champ, and the youngest smw champ in history at 20, turning pro at 16. He struggles to make 168. Wtf would he drain himself lower for a non title fight, when Charlo is perfectly fine fighting Canelo at 168?

You idiots keep chirping about Davis, but he was a replacement for a much better guy. Not his fault.

[Enlightened-One]

No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

I think what you’re really trying to say is that facts upset you. And you’re demanding that I respect my elders, even those that are always wrong!

For instance:

Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Surely you mean, someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo?

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

And yet you still claim Canelo is ducking David Benavidez?

He's more than a contender. He is a 2x champ, and the youngest smw champ in history at 20, turning pro at 16. He struggles to make 168. Wtf would he drain himself lower for a non title fight, when Charlo is perfectly fine fighting Canelo at 168?

You idiots keep chirping about Davis, but he was a replacement for a much better guy. Not his fault.

Let me ask you one simple question… and see if you can answer it honestly!

You seriously claimed that Jermall Charlo “ducked” David Benavidez, by challenging him to compete at 160lbs.

This didn’t happen.

What actually happened was that someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo.

So did you intentionally misrepresent the situation or do you just constantly make claims without bothering to fact-check?

[Bandog]

Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

[Enlightened-One]

Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

So is that your way of admitting that Charlo never demanded Benavidez face him at 160lbs?

You’re conceding to either intentionally lying or fabricating facetious claims without bothering to perform any fact-checking?

So what’s it to be? That link definitely fails to support your original claim.

[Bandog]

Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

So is that your way of admitting that Charlo never demanded Benavidez face him at 160lbs?

You’re conceding to either intentionally lying or fabricating facetious claims without bothering to perform any fact-checking?

So what’s it to be? That link definitely fails to support your original claim.

Look, I'll type as slow as I can, so even a doofus like you can understand. The article quoted Charlo, saying "If he can make 160 we can fight." Charlo then said about a catch weight. This is all After first saying he would go to 168. He's been backpedaling ever since. Benevidez never agreed to fight at a catch weight, and was holding Charlo to his word. Charlo started the beef, then said Benevidez brought nothing to the table...but then fought a much lesser opponent, that brought nothing to the table in Monteil.

[Enlightened-One]

Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

So is that your way of admitting that Charlo never demanded Benavidez face him at 160lbs?

You’re conceding to either intentionally lying or fabricating facetious claims without bothering to perform any fact-checking?

So what’s it to be? That link definitely fails to support your original claim.

Look, I'll type as slow as I can, so even a doofus like you can understand. The article quoted Charlo, saying "If he can make 160 we can fight." Charlo then said about a catch weight. This is all After first saying he would go to 168. He's been backpedaling ever since. Benevidez never agreed to fight at a catch weight, and was holding Charlo to his word. Charlo started the beef, then said Benevidez brought nothing to the table...but then fought a much lesser opponent, that brought nothing to the table in Monteil.

You're still doing it, aren't you?

It's actually quicker to copy & paste Jermall Charlo's actual words, but I know you're not interested in doing that, since you're more interested in misrepresenting them, so you typed out a lot of nonsense instead!!!

“I mean if Benavidez can make 160, then we can do it! If we can kind of catch a catch-weight in between 160 and 168, Benavidez is a 168 pounder who hasn't made the weight. He has no title, he has nothing to offer me. So that's why people keep mentioning Canelo and Golovkin, the higher stakes. I will fight Benavidez, alright. He is no problem to me!"

“He's probably like this guy that I'm about to fight now. They talk a lot, I'm strong, I'm this, I'm that.' But it's different when you get in there and you have to figure something out. Don't listen to it, hey fans, y'all keep it locked, we got bigger things in store."

Context is key, don't you agree? Charlo never demanded that Benavidez face him at 160lbs!

What actually happened was that someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo.

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

[The Gratest]

the irony

[apollo creed]

Benavidez should forget about Charlito and move up at 175 and try to fight the top guys.

Charlito would probably move up at LHW or CW if Canelo would demand him that.

The good thing about Bena is that he's young but also I think he's still green. There should be a good reason why he's staying at 168 fighting stiffs especially that he's a big smw and he's having a hard time to make 168 limit.

[Bandog]

If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

[Enlightened-One]

If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

You don't produce written contracts to be signed until all the main stipulations have been agreed verbally. I guess this is the case for all significant business transactions involving millions of dollars, don't you agree?

Here's Benavidez's own words rejecting Charlo's offer to engage in a catchweight bout:

“I never said anything about Jermall Charlo. The only thing I said was I’d like to get a fight with him, and then he did an interview and said he’ll knock me out and break my neck.

“He wants to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to go down...” Benavidez said.

You previously claimed that Charlo "ducked" Benavidez by demanding that David compete at 160lbs, but now that you've been bombarded with all sorts of evidence and quotes, it seems you've finally conceded the fact that it never happened!

So I'm glad you've demonstrated an ability to learn!

On a separate note, but related to our discussions in this thread, were you impressed by Canelo's first victory over Miguel Vazquez?

[Bandog]

If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

You don't produce written contracts to be signed until all the main stipulations have been agreed verbally. I guess this is the case for all significant business transactions involving millions of dollars, don't you agree?

Here's Benavidez's own words rejecting Charlo's offer to engage in a catchweight bout:

“I never said anything about Jermall Charlo. The only thing I said was I’d like to get a fight with him, and then he did an interview and said he’ll knock me out and break my neck.

“He wants to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to go down...” Benavidez said.

You previously claimed that Charlo "ducked" Benavidez by demanding that David compete at 160lbs, but now that you've been bombarded with all sorts of evidence and quotes, it seems you've finally conceded the fact that it never happened!

So I'm glad you've demonstrated an ability to learn!

On a separate note, but related to our discussions in this thread, were you impressed by Canelo's first victory over Miguel Vazquez?

I honestly feel sorry for you dude. You have obvious mental health issues. I'd agree with you, but we'd bith be wrong. Carry on.

My apologies to the foum for getting in a pissing match with a skunk, and wasting time and space.

[KiwiRider]

If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

You don't produce written contracts to be signed until all the main stipulations have been agreed verbally. I guess this is the case for all significant business transactions involving millions of dollars, don't you agree?

Here's Benavidez's own words rejecting Charlo's offer to engage in a catchweight bout:

“I never said anything about Jermall Charlo. The only thing I said was I’d like to get a fight with him, and then he did an interview and said he’ll knock me out and break my neck.

“He wants to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to go down...” Benavidez said.

You previously claimed that Charlo "ducked" Benavidez by demanding that David compete at 160lbs, but now that you've been bombarded with all sorts of evidence and quotes, it seems you've finally conceded the fact that it never happened!

So I'm glad you've demonstrated an ability to learn!

On a separate note, but related to our discussions in this thread, were you impressed by Canelo's first victory over Miguel Vazquez?

I honestly feel sorry for you dude. You have obvious mental health issues. I'd agree with you, but we'd bith be wrong. Carry on.

My apologies to the foum for getting in a pissing match with a skunk, and wasting time and space.

Tell it to my scrolling finger..

[margaret thatcher]

i wouldnt mind benavidez as an opponent, but it's absolutely correct that he's done nothing to earn it. done nothing worthy of us getting mad for him. accomplished nothing to put him above other potential opponents

how about going out and beating a top fighter for once? instead of crap like ky davis and ron ellis. his whole career is filled with filler, and he's 2x lost titles because his own lack of discipline

i dont have a problem with canelo fighting him, but he's done 0 to force canelo into making it happen