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emma · Post by **emma** » 28 Jul 2006, 09:36

Whats your opinion of him as a Manager, and Promoter?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 28 Jul 2006, 09:38

uh oh, lawyers at the ready!!!

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 28 Jul 2006, 09:45

IMO A good businessman, knows the ins and outs of the business, keeps his cash cows protected, but vindictive and petty. I wouldn't complain about been in Khan/Kevin Mitchells shoes.

However anyone like to make a list of fighters who shall we say didn't do too well under Mr Warren, let me start:

Witter, Vanzie......please continue alongside your insights

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 28 Jul 2006, 10:50

He's been the leading promoter in Britain for years now, everytime a competitor looks to challenge him Warren has come out on top in the long run.
He's guided some boxers careers well and earnt them great money.

He's been accused of a few things along the way , by various boxers, but he normally comes up smelling of roses.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 28 Jul 2006, 10:53

One of the guys responsbile for the dire state of boxing.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Jul 2006, 11:19

pundit wrote:One of the guys responsbile for the dire state of boxing.

i agree with you somewhat, though he can deliver the big occasion it seems he gets even more protective of whomever's enhanced status...

when he was with sky, he had an exclusive contract, locking out other british promoters. also, the international fights sky showed around 2004-5 seemed to have been hand chosen by Mr Allegedly - chosen to tie in with the likes of hatton, harrison & Calzaghe. quite limited really

Now that Warren has gone, we're getting loads of good British fights, lots of varied intrenational fare, good riddance I say

When he had his Showtime contract, Yanks were groaning about the Warren showcases they were being forcefed. In the pre 'Good Fights' days that is.

I hope to hell he doesn't pick on the promising Allan Green, for Calzaghe. What the fack would that prove?

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 28 Jul 2006, 12:19

Hopefully we will be spared a Calzaghe-Green fight. Green weighed 162lbs for his fight with Anthony Bonsante and said before the fight that he could well end up fighting as a middleweight.

JC · Post by JC » 28 Jul 2006, 13:51

Looking in my crystal ball I predict this thread will be locked.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 28 Jul 2006, 14:29

Good businessman but incredibly over-defensive and seems to take any questioning of his guidance of a fighters career as an outright assault on his family, integrity and life!

Would have made a hilarious politician.

He should put himself in the fans shoes for once and in the long run he might make himself even more money....

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 28 Jul 2006, 14:36

If was a Pro boxer i would think he would be my first choice and would gain me the most money.
My only concern would be if i wanted out of the contract anytime in the future!

Or go to the states and go with King

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 28 Jul 2006, 14:57

if you were a boxer who wants maximum earnings from low risk fights and be promoted as a world champion after winning the argos title in your hometown he'd be a very good choice and would make you very wealthy. If you want to fight the best and go down as a legend you should steer well clear

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 28 Jul 2006, 16:29

When Warren first got into pro boxing he was a breath of fresh air after years of the Barrett, Duff, Levene cartel. He was good for boxing and good for the boxers. However, after he saw the cartel off and became top dog in Britain he almost immediately changed his approach and became like those 3 had been.

Having said that, maybe that is the only blueprint that works if you want to remain in power.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 28 Jul 2006, 18:58

Good at what he does but his self serving column in the NOTW should have been pulled ages ago. Any fighter not signed to him gets slagged off and casual fans who don't know the score might get the wrong idea.

His massive role in the rise of the WBO was regrettable too. Again casual fans thought/think that they are watching world championship boxing when most of the time they're watching fringe contender championship boxing.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Jul 2006, 19:08

Flump wrote:Good at what he does but his self serving column in the NOTW should have been pulled ages ago. Any fighter not signed to him gets slagged off and casual fans who don't know the score might get the wrong idea.

His massive role in the rise of the WBO was regrettable too. Again casual fans thought/think that they are watching world championship boxing when most of the time they're watching fringe contender championship boxing.

you can blame barry hearn for that as well. eubank couldn't lose a decision even when he did sod all.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 28 Jul 2006, 19:17

viciousmaussa wrote:
Flump wrote:Good at what he does but his self serving column in the NOTW should have been pulled ages ago. Any fighter not signed to him gets slagged off and casual fans who don't know the score might get the wrong idea.

His massive role in the rise of the WBO was regrettable too. Again casual fans thought/think that they are watching world championship boxing when most of the time they're watching fringe contender championship boxing.
you can blame barry hearn for that as well. eubank couldn't lose a decision even when he did sod all.

You're absolutely right. And we complain about Sven Ottke...

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 28 Jul 2006, 20:17

Well he made Hatton and Calzaghe champs without barely a mark on them with undefeated records and made them millionares.

Most Boxers like Benn said he was a good promotor though.

Without him, Bruno wouldn't of been a champ either.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 29 Jul 2006, 04:05

Max Molyneux wrote:Well he made Hatton and Calzaghe champs without barely a mark on them with undefeated records and made them millionares.

Most Boxers like Benn said he was a good promotor though.

Without him, Bruno wouldn't of been a champ either.

yes, but what a chore watching some of these pairing that are apparently supposed to be called "fights". in 2004/5 at one point Hatton and Calzaghe seemed ready to give up, things were so bad.

I'll ask this, how much does Warren respect the fans? Why did good american fights get witheld from us when warren's stable were on sky in anothger of those unhealthy exclusive contracts? Why was the domestic scene so dreadful, like Enzo Macca knocking over x and y import?

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 29 Jul 2006, 05:32

Well, he steers clear of domestic (British)and european titles, well knownto make fighters drop them or avoid them and instead get them WBU titles instead.

Would prefer to prolong a fighetrs career with easy WBU defences than risk it with a British title shot, things is no one is fooled, thee WBU defnces barely make a paragraph in the newspapers.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 29 Jul 2006, 08:13

He's contributed a great deal, in my opinion, to the ongoing bastardisation of the concept of world titles in boxing. Its a shame he can't operate his business within the boundaries of legitimate championships. In Britain there are area, British, Commonwealth & European championships to contend with, without the need for intercontinental or penta-continental titles, let alone WBU belts.

Boxing is quite a unique sport, in this regard. You could not book a football ground a promote a match as being for the "FA Cup Final" or the "World Cup Final" and hope to dupe punters into buying tickets for it, yet in boxing promoters are free to do this.

I think that the practice of putting on "world title fights" between boxers from your own stable (eg, Magee vs Takaloo) who are frankly nowhere near the best in the world in their weight class, is something that a businessman should be prosecuted for. Its bogus and dishonest.

On the other hand, Warren has brought a lot of good fighters to this country, he's promoted some of the best fights and shows that Britain has seen, and he's made a lot of money for himself and his boxers.

Its just a shame that he has contributed to the demise of the sport through degrading the concept of "world champion". I suppose he'd argue that he wasn't the first, and won't be the last.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 29 Jul 2006, 14:24

Terence wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote: Without him, Bruno wouldn't of been a champ either.
I think Don King played a part, he played allegedly Frank as well, allegedly

Aye.

King probably needed an easier fighter for Tyson's comeback at the time.

JimmyJamJerusalem · Post by **JimmyJamJerusalem** » 31 Jul 2006, 08:37

Nasty, greedy, vindictive sod who only cares about his big names. The rest of his guys can go to hell with a shitty contract for all he cares.... Allegedly

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 31 Jul 2006, 08:59

From a fans point of view, far too many of his shows offer poor value for money. Also insults the fans with bogus titles.

Probably makes good money for "his" boxers though. Would be interesting to get an honest view point from a broad selection of his stable past and present.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 31 Jul 2006, 09:12

I could be here all day, so I'll just say it in one word: KNOB

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 04 Aug 2006, 04:43

Found myself standing next to a tanned & relaxed looking Frank & wife at passport control in Luton airport yesterday. They must have been on same flight back from Portugal.

He wasn't wearing a Ricky Hatton T shirt.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 04 Aug 2006, 05:47

He's not as rich as he thinks he is.

Probably worth a few mill...