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“We wrote to [WBC president] Mauricio Sulaiman yesterday to say that under one of their rules, they can order their champion to fight another champion.

“They’ve done it before, and we’ve asked them for the good of boxing to order Demetrius Andrade against Jermall Charlo. It’s a brilliant fight,” said Hearn.

“If they do, then it’ll be up to the WBO, who we’ve also written to sanction that fight, which they can. Fingers crossed, we get a tremendous fight.

“Mauricio, these guys talk about doing the best for boxing,” said Hearn. “I believe it’s a great opportunity for the fans to say, ‘Wow, you really are working for the best in boxing. You’re trying to make fights that can’t be made because of other problems. So we’ll wait for their decision.
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I don't know if Suleiman would take in consideration Hearn's letter but imo Charlo vs Andrade is the biggest fight to be made at 160 for boxing purists.

2 young US 160 champions fighting each other! :box: :OhYes:
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I hope it happens. Great fight!
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Bandog wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 08:33 I hope it happens. Great fight!

I guess it would happen but after Charlo would fight Canelo, to cash in that big payday.

Its just business.

Andrade vs Janibek Alimkhanuly or Esquiva Falcao next?
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Ohh I don't know if Son of English , Eubank Jr would want to fight Andrade?
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apollo creed wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 08:50
Bandog wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 08:33 I hope it happens. Great fight!

I guess it would happen but after Charlo would fight Canelo, to cash in that big payday.

Its just business.

Andrade vs Janibek Alimkhanuly or Esquiva Falcao next?
Not sure? He could while waiting to see if they order the Charlo fight, or winner of GGG vs Murata. If neither happens I hope he moves up.
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apollo creed wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 07:41 “We wrote to [WBC president] Mauricio Sulaiman yesterday to say that under one of their rules, they can order their champion to fight another champion.

“They’ve done it before, and we’ve asked them for the good of boxing to order Demetrius Andrade against Jermall Charlo. It’s a brilliant fight,” said Hearn.

“If they do, then it’ll be up to the WBO, who we’ve also written to sanction that fight, which they can. Fingers crossed, we get a tremendous fight.

“Mauricio, these guys talk about doing the best for boxing,” said Hearn. “I believe it’s a great opportunity for the fans to say, ‘Wow, you really are working for the best in boxing. You’re trying to make fights that can’t be made because of other problems. So we’ll wait for their decision.
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I don't know if Suleiman would take in consideration Hearn's letter but imo Charlo vs Andrade is the biggest fight to be made at 160 for boxing purists.

2 young US 160 champions fighting each other! :box: :OhYes:
Didn’t the WBC do this for GGG? They ordered Canelo to defend his title against Golovkin.

However, Gennadiy had to win the WBC interim title beforehand.

They did something like this with Kovalev-Stevenson too, I think.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Hearn’s claims haven’t been done before… or at least precisely the same situation as Charlo and Andrade, because Demetrius is obliged to face his own mandatory challenger (i.e. the WBO champion refusing to face his own mandatory challenger, whilst also lobbying to become the mandatory challenger for a champion from another organisation).

Also, the WBC refused to mandate Canelo or GGG to defend their middleweight title against their mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo (i.e. we didn’t strip the previous champion for failing to defend against their mandatory (Charlo), but we’ll threaten to strip Charlo for failing to perform a mandatory defence).

So I wouldn’t be hopeful of the WBC abiding by their own rules.
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Janibek Alimkhanuly is a high risk-low reward mandatory for Andrade, so Hearn is pushing for a unification fight between Andrade and Charlo which is a good thing.
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apollo creed wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 09:44 Janibek Alimkhanuly is a high risk-low reward mandatory for Andrade, so Hearn is pushing for a unification fight between Andrade and Charlo which is a good thing.
In an ideal world I'd agree with you, but the WBC actively prevented their mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, facing Canelo or GGG.

The WBC even created their franchise title to avoid abiding by their own rules,

So I can't help thinking Andrade's mandatory challenger will file a lawsuit againt the WBO, with Jermall Charlo filing a lawsuit against the WBC.

As much as I'd like to see two obsence hype-jobs figting each other, I just don't think it'll happen.

And before anyone passionately and pretentiously pretends that title unifications take priority over mandatory defences need to realise no title unification has been agreed yet by Charlo and Andrade, which means both guys are obliged to perform their mandatory defences prior to considering facing anyone else.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 18:42
apollo creed wrote: 26 Nov 2021, 09:44 Janibek Alimkhanuly is a high risk-low reward mandatory for Andrade, so Hearn is pushing for a unification fight between Andrade and Charlo which is a good thing.
In an ideal world I'd agree with you, but the WBC actively prevented their mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, facing Canelo or GGG.

The WBC even created their franchise title to avoid abiding by their own rules,

So I can't help thinking Andrade's mandatory challenger will file a lawsuit againt the WBO, with Jermall Charlo filing a lawsuit against the WBC.


As much as I'd like to see two obsence hype-jobs figting each other, I just don't think it'll happen.

And before anyone passionately and pretentiously pretends that title unifications take priority over mandatory defences need to realise no title unification has been agreed yet by Charlo and Andrade, which means both guys are obliged to perform their mandatory defences prior to considering facing anyone else.

Hearn's idea is a good one but also I think it would not happen.

Even Son of English , Eubank Jr has a better resume than both these guys. lol
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The most feared man in boxing is... Trying to avoid his mandatory challenger.
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If it gets ordered at 160 and the splits suck charlo might just move to 168. IF its done using the "average last 3 purse ratio split" the fight might actualy happen.
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Boxing Prospect wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:01 The most avoided man in boxing is... Trying to avoid his mandatory challenger.
As I said Janibek Alimkhanuly is a high risk-low reward mandatory, so the B plan is to get Andrade a big fight asap!
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gregregegg wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:23 If it gets ordered at 160 and the splits suck charlo might just move to 168. IF its done using the "average last 3 purse ratio split" the fight might actualy happen.
wbc and pbc are in good relations. Hearn would have to look up somewhere else for a good opponent for Andrade like ex GGG, Eubank Jr or Munguia but he would have to offer them big money to fight Andrade.

Anyway Charlo vs Andrade is a dream match imo.
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apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:55
Boxing Prospect wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:01 The most avoided man in boxing is... Trying to avoid his mandatory challenger.
As I said Janibek Alimkhanuly is a high risk-low reward mandatory, so the B plan is to get Andrade a big fight asap!
You’re right, but Janibek Alimkhanuly is not another overmatched weak opponent like Liam Williams or Jason Quigley.

He poses a serious threat to Andrade’s title reign.

I’d be personally quite excited to see Demetrius Andrade face his mandatory challenger, because I feel that the Kazakh is a much better fighter than Ryota Murata.

For example: Rob Brant and Hassan N'Dam have both beaten Ryota Murata, but then both suffered eighth round KO losses to Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Janibek Alimkhanuly’s amateur pedigree (according to the stats cited by The RING) are outrageously impressive (record 300-8; nine-time Kazakhstan national champ, two-time Asian champ; and 2013 World Championship gold medallist)!

Janibek Alimkhanuly could be the guy that finally dethrones Demetrius Andrade.


The crazy thing is, Andrade is being marketed as the new Boogeyman of the middleweight division, because everybody is allegedly “ducking” him, but Demetrius has not only ducked several PBC fighters in the past, he’s also trying to avoid facing a very dangerous mandatory challenger.

Andrade is seemingly being praised for doing precisely the same things he criticises other fighters for doing! :o
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Indeed he could derail Andrade's choo, choo train. Anyway I don't know what possible big fight could Hearn find for Andrade, bc Mung and Eubank Jr are in line for GGG/Murata winner. Charlo ain't gonna fight Andrade too soon bc he's staying safe for Canelo.

Maybe if Andrade moves up and fights Benavidez?

Daniel Jacobs if he still fighting?
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Unfortunately, Andrade won't consider Benevidez unless he has a belt.

Someone will have to force the others to fight. Recently Andrade said he'd fight both Charlo brothers at 160, one after the other.
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apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 07:00
gregregegg wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:23 If it gets ordered at 160 and the splits suck charlo might just move to 168. IF its done using the "average last 3 purse ratio split" the fight might actualy happen.
wbc and pbc are in good relations. Hearn would have to look up somewhere else for a good opponent for Andrade like ex GGG, Eubank Jr or Munguia but he would have to offer them big money to fight Andrade.

Anyway Charlo vs Andrade is a dream match imo.
Yep. I totally agree. Sulaiman is probably sore with Hearn over the Whyte arbitration and I'm sure he didn't like him at all before that anyway. I'd love to see Charlo against Andrade.
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Bandog wrote: 29 Nov 2021, 15:53 Unfortunately, Andrade won't consider Benevidez unless he has a belt.

Someone will have to force the others to fight. Recently Andrade said he'd fight both Charlo brothers at 160, one after the other.
:TU:

“David Benavidez is definitely a great fighter, and somebody I’m saying in the future can happen, but that doesn’t make me a three-division world champion at that point,” said Andrade.

Bena should move up at 175.
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candyslim wrote: 30 Nov 2021, 04:11
apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 07:00
gregregegg wrote: 28 Nov 2021, 06:23 If it gets ordered at 160 and the splits suck charlo might just move to 168. IF its done using the "average last 3 purse ratio split" the fight might actualy happen.
wbc and pbc are in good relations. Hearn would have to look up somewhere else for a good opponent for Andrade like ex GGG, Eubank Jr or Munguia but he would have to offer them big money to fight Andrade.

Anyway Charlo vs Andrade is a dream match imo.
Yep. I totally agree. Sulaiman is probably sore with Hearn over the Whyte arbitration and I'm sure he didn't like him at all before that anyway. I'd love to see Charlo against Andrade.
Yup. wbc ain't gonna do it.
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“I have to move in a strategic manner too. I’d like to fight Charlo’s little brother [Jermell] first,” said Demetrius. “Afterward, both of them. For me to make any other move, we’re going to give you two blockbusters. Charlo-Andrade, Charlo-Andrade.

“Charlo or big Charlo [Jermall], whichever wants to come first,” said Demetrius. “154 Charlo [Jermell], you got made s***, why don’t you come up to the 160-pound weight class and try to become a two-division world champion? I have it.

Charlo is trying to find a way NOT to make fights happen to keep his belt. Do you want payday, real payday and do you want to challenge against a guy that everybody thinks is going to give you a hard time.

Andrade ain't gonna get Charlo bc he's staying safe for Canelo's payday.

Andrade vs Eubank jr, Jacobs, Munguia or maybe G vs Murata winner but Hearn&Dazn should make them big offers to fight Andrade.
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