Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

[Enlightened-One]

Is Demetrius Andrade’s attempt to become Jermall Charlo’s mandatory challenger a PR stunt, which is intended to save face, to distract people from picking up on the fact he’s ducking an unheralded, but highly dangerous, mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly?

The timelines certainly prove this to be the case:

• October 20th 2018: Demetrius Andrade captures the vacant WBO middleweight title after beating Walter Kautondokwa
• March 11th 2019: The WBO orders a final elimination bout between Liam Williams and Atlanta Fox
• December 21st 2019: Liam Williams defeats Atlanta Fox in a WBO final elimination bout
• March 11th 2020: The WBO orders Demetrius Andrade to defend his middleweight championship against Liam Williams
• April 17th 2021: Demetrius Andrade successfully performed his first mandatory defence of his WBO world middleweight title by beating Liam Williams
• November 21st 2021: Zhanibek Alimkhanuly lobbies the WBO to grant him mandatory challenger status, with December being Demetrius Andrade’s deadline
• November 24th 2021: WBO world middleweight champion, Demetrius Andrade, petitions the WBC to install him as the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s world title
• November 25th 2021: Eddie Hearn claims that Demetrius Andrade shouldn’t be forced to face Janibek Alimkhanuly
• November 30th 2021: The WBO formally approves Janibek Alimkhanuly’s request to become Demetrius Andrade’s mandatory challenger and orders the bout, whilst also issuing a 20-day negotiation deadline

Demetrius Andrade has only performed one mandatory defence during the course of a 38-month title reign.

Andrade only petitioned the WBC to grant him mandatory challenger status to Jermall Charlo’s title, after his team realised the WBO would be forcing Demetrius to face his next mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly!

I’d be personally quite excited to see Demetrius Andrade face his mandatory challenger, because I feel that the Kazakh is a much better fighter than Ryota Murata.

For example: Rob Brant and Hassan N'Dam have both beaten Ryota Murata, but then both suffered eighth round KO losses to Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Janibek Alimkhanuly’s amateur pedigree (according to the stats cited by The RING) are outrageously impressive (record 300-8; nine-time Kazakhstan national champ, two-time Asian champ; and 2013 World Championship gold medallist)!


The crazy thing is, Andrade is being marketed as the new Boogeyman of the middleweight division, because everybody is allegedly “ducking” him, but Demetrius has not only ducked several PBC fighters in the past, he’s also trying to avoid facing a very dangerous mandatory challenger.

Thoughts?

[DrDuke]

Useless topic. Maybe let's create now a seperate thread about how Alimkhanuly ducks Andrade or a seperate who-wins poll, or a thread about how much they are offered for this fight.

All that stuff can be discussed in the Andrade-Al fight topic viewtopic.php?f=22&t=251073

End of thread!

[Enlightened-One]

Useless topic.

This thread is about Andrade's penchant for ducking, lack of title defences and tendency to vacate his belts without having a valid reason.

This is the likely outcome of the Andrade-Alimkhanuly situation, because in Demetrius’ case, history keeps repeating itself.

If the facts I’ve detailed upset you, because you’re a passionate die-hard Demetrius Andrade fan, then please provide a valid counter argument.

Do you consider the dates and timeline I've detailed inaccurate?

[Enlightened-One]

This thread appears to have struck a nerve with overly-sensitive excessively salty die-hard Demetrius Andrade fans that are embarrassed about the dates and historical events I’ve detailed, because they realise, they’re 100% true!

[Enlightened-One]

Is Demetrius Andrade’s attempt to become Jermall Charlo’s mandatory challenger a PR stunt, which is intended to save face, to distract people from picking up on the fact he’s ducking an unheralded, but highly dangerous, mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly?

The timelines certainly prove this to be the case:

• October 20th 2018: Demetrius Andrade captures the vacant WBO middleweight title after beating Walter Kautondokwa
• March 11th 2019: The WBO orders a final elimination bout between Liam Williams and Atlanta Fox
• December 21st 2019: Liam Williams defeats Atlanta Fox in a WBO final elimination bout
• March 11th 2020: The WBO orders Demetrius Andrade to defend his middleweight championship against Liam Williams
• April 17th 2021: Demetrius Andrade successfully performed his first mandatory defence of his WBO world middleweight title by beating Liam Williams
• November 21st 2021: Zhanibek Alimkhanuly lobbies the WBO to grant him mandatory challenger status, with December being Demetrius Andrade’s deadline
• November 24th 2021: WBO world middleweight champion, Demetrius Andrade, petitions the WBC to install him as the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s world title
• November 25th 2021: Eddie Hearn claims that Demetrius Andrade shouldn’t be forced to face Janibek Alimkhanuly
• November 30th 2021: The WBO formally approves Janibek Alimkhanuly’s request to become Demetrius Andrade’s mandatory challenger and orders the bout, whilst also issuing a 20-day negotiation deadline

Demetrius Andrade has only performed one mandatory defence during the course of a 38-month title reign.

Andrade only petitioned the WBC to grant him mandatory challenger status to Jermall Charlo’s title, after his team realised the WBO would be forcing Demetrius to face his next mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly!

I’d be personally quite excited to see Demetrius Andrade face his mandatory challenger, because I feel that the Kazakh is a much better fighter than Ryota Murata.

For example: Rob Brant and Hassan N'Dam have both beaten Ryota Murata, but then both suffered eighth round KO losses to Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Janibek Alimkhanuly’s amateur pedigree (according to the stats cited by The RING) are outrageously impressive (record 300-8; nine-time Kazakhstan national champ, two-time Asian champ; and 2013 World Championship gold medallist)!


The crazy thing is, Andrade is being marketed as the new Boogeyman of the middleweight division, because everybody is allegedly “ducking” him, but Demetrius has not only ducked several PBC fighters in the past, he’s also trying to avoid facing a very dangerous mandatory challenger.

Thoughts?

[The Gratest]

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That's very interesting. Thank you for that.

[Bandog]

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[Counter-puncher]

This thread appears to have struck a nerve with overly-sensitive excessively salty die-hard Demetrius Andrade fans !

you had received ONE reply when you made this post

ONE

doesn't really show the legion of unhappy Andrade fans that you try to imply, does it?

you sad, deluded fvcking drama queen, are you so imprisoned in your internal dialogue of persecution and exceptionalism that ONE adverse response to a thread of yours starts you crowing as though you have struck a nerve with the entire board?

newsflash, Rain Man: virtually NOBODY cares about Andrade, who he does, or doesn't fight. Other than you, and I think there is like one more dude on the forum that goes on about Andrade, although it's real cute that the two of you happen to disagree on Andrade, it adds so much drama and importance to your life so you can tell yourself you've struck a nerve with, like, the whole forum, when it's ONE FVCKING REPLY.

[gregregegg]

This thread appears to have struck a nerve with overly-sensitive excessively salty die-hard Demetrius Andrade fans !

you had received ONE reply when you made this post

ONE

doesn't really show the legion of unhappy Andrade fans that you try to imply, does it?

you sad, deluded fvcking drama queen, are you so imprisoned in your internal dialogue of persecution and exceptionalism that ONE adverse response to a thread of yours starts you crowing as though you have struck a nerve with the entire board?

newsflash, Rain Man: virtually NOBODY cares about Andrade, who he does, or doesn't fight. Other than you, and I think there is like one more dude on the forum that goes on about Andrade, although it's real cute that the two of you happen to disagree on Andrade, it adds so much drama and importance to your life so you can tell yourself you've struck a nerve with, like, the whole forum, when it's ONE FVCKING REPLY.

I care. But not because I think Andrade is some avoided god. I just want him to get a big fight win or lose that way eddie might be able to shut up about how avoided he is. Sure he will yap about somthing else, but I don’t mind other tapping, just hate claims of being sucked when your a boring non draw that wants his fair share… If your guy is being avoided your not offering enough cash. The narrative that quig is the best guy that would accept hurt to watch.

[Enlightened-One]

you had received ONE reply when you made this post

ONE

You can't count.

doesn't really show the legion of unhappy Andrade fans that you try to imply, does it?

People try to bury lists of facts they can't refute beneath a barrage of personal insults or by intentionally posting completely off-topic posts.

And if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have submitted such a lengthy post about a topic you pretend to care nothing about.

you sad, deluded fvcking drama queen, are you so imprisoned in your internal dialogue of persecution and exceptionalism that ONE adverse response to a thread of yours starts you crowing as though you have struck a nerve with the entire board?

Thank-you for proving my point!

newsflash, Rain Man: virtually NOBODY cares about Andrade, who he does, or doesn't fight. Other than you, and I think there is like one more dude on the forum that goes on about Andrade, although it's real cute that the two of you happen to disagree on Andrade, it adds so much drama and importance to your life so you can tell yourself you've struck a nerve with, like, the whole forum, when it's ONE FVCKING REPLY.

Thank-you again for not only proving my point, but also admitting your inability to count.

Please keep spending lots of your precious time submitting more lengthy abusive posts containing lots of angry swear words, whilst also pretending you don't really care.

Please keep doing it, kid! Your salty tears taste delicious!

[KiwiRider]

I like a good timeline.
We can all agree that Andrade has had a bit of a disappointing reign, made more so because of all the big talk coming from him.
What makes it worse is I 'think' he is a really good boxer, albeit not that exciting, but after over a decade as a pro, I'm still not sure.
I would love to know how good he actually is.
And another year passes. By the time we find out if he is a great boxer he might even be on the slide... And that would be a shame.

[Bandog]

I like a good timeline.
We can all agree that Andrade has had a bit of a disappointing reign, made more so because of all the big talk coming from him.
What makes it worse is I 'think' he is a really good boxer, albeit not that exciting, but after over a decade as a pro, I'm still not sure.
I would love to know how good he actually is.
And another year passes. By the time we find out if he is a great boxer he might even be on the slide... And that would be a shame.

Me too. Someone hopefully has the balls and skills to shut him up.

[The Gratest]

This thread appears to have struck a nerve with overly-sensitive excessively salty die-hard Demetrius Andrade fans !

you had received ONE reply when you made this post

ONE

doesn't really show the legion of unhappy Andrade fans that you try to imply, does it?

you sad, deluded fvcking drama queen, are you so imprisoned in your internal dialogue of persecution and exceptionalism that ONE adverse response to a thread of yours starts you crowing as though you have struck a nerve with the entire board?

newsflash, Rain Man: virtually NOBODY cares about Andrade, who he does, or doesn't fight. Other than you, and I think there is like one more dude on the forum that goes on about Andrade, although it's real cute that the two of you happen to disagree on Andrade, it adds so much drama and importance to your life so you can tell yourself you've struck a nerve with, like, the whole forum, when it's ONE FVCKING REPLY.

That's very interesting. Thank you for that.

[Rgoodwin]

Maybe see if he vacated before making that claim? Janibek looks fresh out of the ams.

[Enlightened-One]

Key extracts of an interview Eddie Hearn performed with the ‘Behind The Gloves’ YouTube channel, which was published a few hours ago:

When asked about the reason why he wouldn’t stop banging the drum for the Andrade-Charlo bout and instead make more realistic in-house fights with the likes of Golovkin and Munguia:

“…but they're not in-house fights, they're in-network [fights], like I can't, I don't represent those fighters. And if I did, I'll be telling them you got to fight Demetrius Andrade, because I can't say to Golden Boy, look, you have to listen, DAZN would love to see Munguia against Andrade, or Golovkin against Andrade.

“So it's incredibly frustrating, but when they say don't worry about the other guys [Charlo], you know, look at your in-house guys. I don't have any in-house guys at 160 to fight Demetrius Andrade. Alright. Why do we have to look in-house?”

When asked for his thoughts about the WBO ordering Demetrius Andrade to fight Zhanibek Alimkhanuly:

“How convenient was that?!?

“We write to the WBC, who have the ability by the way, within their rules… to order their champion to fight another champion… from another governing body.

“And one day later, we got the [Alimkhanuly] mandatory from the WBO!”

“What we’re doing is asking the WBC to order the [Charlo-Andrade] fight, but [WBO president Paco Valcarcel] then has the right to say we approve that, or we don’t approve that.

“But we wrote to both governing bodies and said ‘Mauricio, please order Charlo to fight Andrade for the good of boxing’

“Paco [Valcarcel], just to let you know, we’ve written to Mauricio Sulaiman, and if [the WBC] orders that [Charlo-Andrade fight], then please accept it for the good of boxing.’

“48 hours later, we get another mandatory [from the WBO]. No disrespect to the guy [Zhanibek Alimkhanuly]. He is a good fighter. I know who he is, but I’m not being facetious. But come on, who wants to see that?

“So now I’m in a situation where I’ve got to be creative. I don’t know what I’m going to do yet.

“Maybe Andrade moves up to 168lbs and becomes the mandatory as a WBO world champion.

“But we’ve got to do something, because we can’t fight that [Andrade- Alimkhanuly] fight!”

[Enlightened-One]

Since signing with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom USA almost four years ago, Demetrius Andrade has only fought the likes of Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa.

And Eddie Hearn has just admitted that Demetrius Andrade would rather vacate his WBO title to either face Jermall Charlo or make the jump to 168lbs to challenge for the vacant belt, rather than allowing Boo Boo to face his mandatory challenger, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Does anybody seriously believe that Zhanibek Alimkhanuly is inferior in comparison to the likes of Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa?

Demetrius Andrade has only performed one mandatory defence of his WBO middleweight championship during the course of a 38-month title reign.

[The Gratest]

It would be helpful if this could be summarised in a timeline post.

[H8Usernames]

Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

I have never seen an Andrade fight or a Janibek fight. From what I have heard about Andrade watching his fights doesn't sound like a very good way to pass time.

So my answer is: I don't know and I don't care.

[Enlightened-One]

Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

I have never seen an Andrade fight or a Janibek fight. From what I have heard about Andrade watching his fights doesn't sound like a very good way to pass time.

So my answer is: I don't know and I don't care.

Why are you commenting on a thread about two fighters you’ve never seen compete involved in a fight you don’t care about?

[H8Usernames]

Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

I have never seen an Andrade fight or a Janibek fight. From what I have heard about Andrade watching his fights doesn't sound like a very good way to pass time.

So my answer is: I don't know and I don't care.

Why are you commenting on a thread about two fighters you’ve never seen compete involved in a fight you don’t care about?

I am questioning the importance of the issue. The middleweight division isnt that like the 4th or the 5th hottest division today? Isn't this Andrade fellow like the 4th or 5th best fighter in that division according to the numbers? And really a fringe fighter? Does it matter so much who he ducks or not?

[Enlightened-One]

Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

I have never seen an Andrade fight or a Janibek fight. From what I have heard about Andrade watching his fights doesn't sound like a very good way to pass time.

So my answer is: I don't know and I don't care.

Why are you commenting on a thread about two fighters you’ve never seen compete involved in a fight you don’t care about?

I am questioning the importance of the issue. The middleweight division isnt that like the 4th or the 5th hottest division today? Isn't this Andrade fellow like the 4th or 5th best fighter in that division according to the numbers? And really a fringe fighter? Does it matter so much who he ducks or not?

It’s your prerogative to either follow or ignore certain divisions.

I do this myself for any of the weight classes from 115lbs or lower.

However, I’ll answer your perfectly valid question…

Demetrius Andrade is being marketed as the most allegedly fearsome and avoided fighter competing today, but he’s rejected bouts against the following fighters: Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

And now it seems that Team Andrade are doing their upmost to avoid facing his mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly.

But people are still naïvely buying into the “everyone is ducking Demetrius Andrade” marketing gimmick.

[Bandog]

It would be helpful if this could be summarised in a timeline post.

In addition to that, perhaps EO could bring up boxers DA "ducked" 6-7 years ago, again, and again, and again. Highlighting in red text is an idea too.

[H8Usernames]

Why are you commenting on a thread about two fighters you’ve never seen compete involved in a fight you don’t care about?

I am questioning the importance of the issue. The middleweight division isnt that like the 4th or the 5th hottest division today? Isn't this Andrade fellow like the 4th or 5th best fighter in that division according to the numbers? And really a fringe fighter? Does it matter so much who he ducks or not?

It’s your prerogative to either follow or ignore certain divisions.

I do this myself for any of the weight classes from 115lbs or lower.

However, I’ll answer your perfectly valid question…

Demetrius Andrade is being marketed as the most allegedly fearsome and avoided fighter competing today, but he’s rejected bouts against the following fighters: Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

And now it seems that Team Andrade are doing their upmost to avoid facing his mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly.

But people are still naïvely buying into the “everyone is ducking Demetrius Andrade” marketing gimmick.

Nobody believes that anyone is ducking him. As for his "championship", he might as well be holding the Ibc belt, wouldn't make him any more of a champion and wouldn't make who he ducks any more important either.

[Enlightened-One]

I am questioning the importance of the issue. The middleweight division isnt that like the 4th or the 5th hottest division today? Isn't this Andrade fellow like the 4th or 5th best fighter in that division according to the numbers? And really a fringe fighter? Does it matter so much who he ducks or not?

It’s your prerogative to either follow or ignore certain divisions.

I do this myself for any of the weight classes from 115lbs or lower.

However, I’ll answer your perfectly valid question…

Demetrius Andrade is being marketed as the most allegedly fearsome and avoided fighter competing today, but he’s rejected bouts against the following fighters: Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

And now it seems that Team Andrade are doing their upmost to avoid facing his mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly.

But people are still naïvely buying into the “everyone is ducking Demetrius Andrade” marketing gimmick.

Nobody believes that anyone is ducking him.

It seems weird for somebody that openly admits to knowing nothing about Demetrius Andrade to make such a claim.

Oh well, that's your prerogative I guess.

[Bandog]

It’s your prerogative to either follow or ignore certain divisions.

I do this myself for any of the weight classes from 115lbs or lower.

However, I’ll answer your perfectly valid question…

Demetrius Andrade is being marketed as the most allegedly fearsome and avoided fighter competing today, but he’s rejected bouts against the following fighters: Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

And now it seems that Team Andrade are doing their upmost to avoid facing his mandatory challenger, Janibek Alimkhanuly.

But people are still naïvely buying into the “everyone is ducking Demetrius Andrade” marketing gimmick.

Nobody believes that anyone is ducking him.

It seems weird for somebody that openly admits to knowing nothing about Demetrius Andrade to make such a claim.

Oh well, that's your prerogative I guess.

I'll give another reply to the op, since she is in need of attention.