Canelo gets hate bc he overshadows fighters like Crawford, Spence, Tank, Charlos, Shakur and maybe in the future FMJ

[Bandog]

Canelo was in his 20's, prime age when he fought FMJ who was 36 or 37!!! Canelo had over 40 fights as a professional at that point. Floyd and others have pointed out their prime/best was in their 20's. I guess it isn't if you lose? SRL, Hearns, Duran, etc were there best in their 20's. Anyway, your argument doesn't hold water.

FMJ totally out-boxed Canelo, exploiting his flaws..made him look like he hadn't even boxed at times! The worst card I've seen from a judge, ever, was the one giving Canelo a draw vs Floyd!!! In the end, the more ATG accolades Canelo gets, the better Floyd gets. Floyd will always be a level above him.

[adislav123]

just ridiculous!

if anything canelo picks fights he's confident in winning. he would've zero chance beating usyk, zip! nill! nema! nulla! i repeat: zero chance!

guaranteed canelo doesn't even waste a single thought on 6'3, 220, non stop punching, fast and mobile usyk.

he would look an absolute fool in there.

watch what usyk did to gassiev and tell me canelo would have the slightest chance.

usyk would beat the frikkin clen outta nelo!

he has zero business sharing a ring with usyk!

and vice versa!

usyk has a couple of fights left at heavy before he hangs em up for good!

atm he's the top dog at heavy, level with fury.

he's making the really big bucks now (canelo/top end heavy level).

he'll beat aj in the rematch, then face tyson at least once for all the marbles.

make at least 50 million bucks and retire. unbeaten or not.

why would he starve down to even under 200 to beat up beef boi in max. 3 rounds.

i guess he could physically do it, but it would be an excruciating, stupid and pointless task.

the whole thing is idiotic. not everything is about the marvellous mexican beef boi.

[Lackeos]

Canelo was in his 20's, prime age when he fought FMJ who was 36 or 37!!! Canelo had over 40 fights as a professional at that point. Floyd and others have pointed out their prime/best was in their 20's.

A fighter usually hits their absolute peak ability sometime around age 27-31. You're saying "20's" as though 20 and 29 are the same, but they are worlds apart.

Alvarez turned pro at age 15, so like I said, the first 6 years of his pro career were functionally his amateur career. Usyk turned pro at age 26, Lomanchenko turned pro at age 25, Lara debuted at age 25. It is pretty common for western hemisphere boxers to turn pro around age 20. Alvarez's amateur experience just happened to count as pro fights. From his 20th birthday, Alvarez only had 9 more pro fights before fighting Mayweather. While you're fascinated with Alvarez's 40 pro fights, you're missing the fact that he DIDN'T have 100+ amateur fights like a lot of other fighters do. When Mayweather was 23, the total number of lifetime amateur + pro fights he participated in was 115, and even then, he was only fighting opponents like Carlos Gerena and Justin Juuko at that point in his career. When Alvarez turned 23, the total number of lifetime amateur + pro fights he participated in was 88, still 27 fewer than Mayweather at that age, and he was fighting a far higher caliber of competition (Mayweather was fighting guys who were divisional #45 and 65 at that age).

[apollo creed]

Don't tell me Canelo was inexperienced. He had been pro for 8 years

Alvarez was most definitely not in his prime yet. At this point in his career, he had pretty close to 0 uncontroversial wins against divisional top 5 opponents, and I don't think there was a consensus that he was top 10 p4p yet. Also, there is a huge difference between someone turning pro at age 15 and being pro for 8 years vs someone like Lomanchenko turning pro at age 25 and then being pro for 8 years. Saul's first 6 years of being pro were pretty much his amateur career. Just like how Manny Pacquiao turned pro at 15, and somehow, 8 years into his pro career, he still hadn't cracked the top 10 p4p, and was a one-weight, one-belt world champ with only 2 title defenses.

having destroyed numerous former or current world champs.

And he certainly didn't destroy numerous current world champs. He literally only had 1 official win against a reigning world champ, and it was a decision win that many regarded as an unofficial loss. So that would mean he destroyed 0 current world champs going into the Mayweather fight. By the way, what exactly is the value of beating a former champ without the context of that fighter's current state? David Avanesyan beat former champ Shane Mosley, but would he have been some career-defining scalp for Mayweather? Sadam Ali beat former champ Miguel Cotto, but does that mean anyone who beats Sadam Ali is now a legend that Saul Alvarez could never hope to surpass?

You can't erase the past!

And by that, you mean that fighters like Pacquiao and Hopkins can never do anything to prove that they've improved beyond the early pre-prime losses of their career, no matter who they beat later on? When Hopkins was 23, he lost to debutant Clinton Mitchell, but he can't do anything henceforth to prove that his abilities have grown beyond Clinton Mitchell's? No matter what Pacquiao does, he can never prove that he's grown beyond his pre-prime defeat against Rustico Torrecampo?

Very clear and objective opinion. Although on paper Canelo looked at that time a seasoned pro, he was fighting poor opposition and his only legit fight was against Trout which was a close fight. Floyd timed it and capitalized on that and fought the much inexperienced Canelo at the top level.

Indeed Floyd was around 37 y/o but let's be honest Floyd was blessed with a great gene, great boxing mind and of course he took care of himslef very,very well.

[apollo creed]

Canelo was in his 20's, prime age when he fought FMJ who was 36 or 37!!! Canelo had over 40 fights as a professional at that point. Floyd and others have pointed out their prime/best was in their 20's.

A fighter usually hits their absolute peak ability sometime around age 27-31. You're saying "20's" as though 20 and 29 are the same, but they are worlds apart.

Alvarez turned pro at age 15, so like I said, the first 6 years of his pro career were functionally his amateur career. Usyk turned pro at age 26, Lomanchenko turned pro at age 25, Lara debuted at age 25. It is pretty common for western hemisphere boxers to turn pro around age 20. Alvarez's amateur experience just happened to count as pro fights. From his 20th birthday, Alvarez only had 9 more pro fights before fighting Mayweather. While you're fascinated with Alvarez's 40 pro fights, you're missing the fact that he DIDN'T have 100+ amateur fights like a lot of other fighters do. When Mayweather was 23, the total number of lifetime amateur + pro fights he participated in was 115, and even then, he was only fighting opponents like Carlos Gerena and Justin Juuko at that point in his career. When Alvarez turned 23, the total number of lifetime amateur + pro fights he participated in was 88, still 27 fewer than Mayweather at that age, and he was fighting a far higher caliber of competition (Mayweather was fighting guys who were divisional #45 and 65 at that age).

Indeed people are very subjective with their arguments. 26,27,28 and 29 are still in his "20's" but more richer in experience "20s" than in 20,21,22,23,24,25.

I think after the GGG and Jacobs fights, Canelo was a true elite experienced pro fighter.

[NateJR]

saul in his prime would beat mayweather i think if they had rematched 5 years down the line

There isn't a version of Canelo from "Canelo weight" and south that would beat Mayweather. We have to be realistic and base their potential H2H matches when the fight would have been possible. The version of Canelo that fought Liam Smith, still gets outboxed comfortably by a 37 year old Mayweather, no doubt in my mind. After that you could make a case that Canelo could potentially beat Floyd because he may have been too big for Floyd, but even then I don't doubt Floyd could beat the Canelo that battered Chavez Jr. around the ring. Floyd would most likely always be too slick, too sharp, too fast and too defensively responsible for Canelo to beat him.

So basically, short of Canelo having a size advantage that Floyd simply couldn't overcome, Canelo doesn't beat Floyd IMO. But hypothetically, say the version of Canelo we have now was still at 154, do you still believe he beats a prime FMJ? The same Canelo that lost several rounds to both BJS and Plant? The biggest difference being Floyd was way faster, smarter and much better defensively than both of those guys. There's a huge gap between what Floyd could do compared to these other guys Canelo has walked through recently.

[Enlightened-One]

saul in his prime would beat mayweather i think if they had rematched 5 years down the line

Canelo would never have beaten Money May at 154lbs or less.

And Money May would never have agreed to compete at 160lbs, because he was just too damn small.

Despite Canelo being the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet competing today, he usually loses three or four rounds to opponents that are vastly inferior than Money May.

And the past-his-prime version of Floyd hurt his hand when he fought Canelo and yet he still managed to cruise to victory, arguably winning almost every single round.

So whilst it’s an undeniable fact that today’s iteration of Canelo is superior than the 2013 version that got dominated by Floyd Mayweather Jr, I honestly don’t think he’s improved enough to have beaten a prime Money May at 154lbs or less.

[apollo creed]

saul in his prime would beat mayweather i think if they had rematched 5 years down the line

Canelo would never have beaten Money May at 154lbs or less.

And Money May would never have agreed to compete at 160lbs, because he was just too damn small.

Despite Canelo being the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet competing today, he usually loses three or four rounds to opponents that are vastly inferior than Money May.

And the past-his-prime version of Floyd hurt his hand when he fought Canelo and yet he still managed to cruise to victory, arguably winning almost every single round.

So whilst it’s an undeniable fact that today’s iteration of Canelo is superior than the 2013 version that got dominated by Floyd Mayweather Jr, I honestly don’t think he’s improved enough to have beaten a prime Money May at 154lbs or less.

Son, stop sucking Floyd's salami and lick his nuts. He ain't Charlo.

[apollo creed]

Floyd was a genius in terms of timing his future fights but let's be honest and admit that in 2007,2008 and 2009 when prime top welters like Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao were fighting each other, FMJ was going on another route.

[Enlightened-One]

Floyd was a genius in terms of timing his future fights but let's be honest and admit that in 2007,2008 and 2009 when prime top welters like Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Pacquiao were fighting each other, FMJ was going on another route.

Shane Mosley was beaten by Miguel Cotto during 2007.

Antonio Margarito was beaten by Paul Williams during 2007.

Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito during 2008.

Antonio Margarito was beaten by Shane Mosley during 2009.

Miguel Cotto was beaten by Manny Pacquiao during 2009.

Between 2007 and 2010, Mayweather Jr. was ducked by Manny Pacquiao, briefly retired and then defeated Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez and Ricky Hatton.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. subsequently defeated younger fighters, such as Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. basically beat everybody you've named, barring Antonio Margarito, with Bob Arum conceding that Money May wanted that fight, but Top Rank wouldn’t pay for it.

[apollo creed]

Son, I was talking when the division was hot!
When Margo beat Cotto, Floyd didn't fight him!
When Cotto beat Mosley, Floyd didn't fight him!
When Pac was battering Oscar, Cotto, Clottey and Margo, Floyd didn't fight him!

[Enlightened-One]

Son, I was talking when the division was hot!
When Margo beat Cotto, Floyd didn't fight him!
When Cotto beat Mosley, Floyd didn't fight him!
When Pac was battering Oscar, Cotto, Clottey and Margo, Floyd didn't fight him!

Instead of providing a vague meaningless response, which particular fact (or set of facts) do you disagree with?

• Shane Mosley was beaten by Miguel Cotto during 2007.

• Antonio Margarito was beaten by Paul Williams during 2007.

• Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito during 2008.

• Antonio Margarito was beaten by Shane Mosley during 2009.

• Miguel Cotto was beaten by Manny Pacquiao during 2009.

• Between 2007 and 2010, Mayweather Jr. was ducked by Manny Pacquiao, briefly retired and then defeated Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez and Ricky Hatton.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. subsequently defeated younger fighters, such as Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. basically beat everybody you've named, barring Antonio Margarito, with Bob Arum conceding that Money May wanted that fight, but Top Rank wouldn’t pay for it.

[apollo creed]

son you sound like a parrot with ocd, with these kind of c&p posts.

[Enlightened-One]

son you sound like a parrot with ocd, with these kind of c&p posts.

Blah, blah, blah…

You’ve read my words and can’t refute my facts, so you resort to infantile temper tantrum’s!

Good for you kid!

[apollo creed]

After Canelo would beat Makabu, unify at 175 and beat Benavidez, his career would trump Floyd's career.

Let's not forget that Canelo is willing to take risky fights and fight more often. Lara, Trout, GGG, Jacobs and now Makabu are risky fights.

Floyd was a master at timing his future fights. Floyd didn't fight Kostya Tszyu, prime Margo, prime Pacquiao or prime Cotto.

Floyd fought a past-prime Oscar in a close fight and one year later Pacquiao battered ODLH.
Also Floyd fought a 2005 Arturo Gatti that was stopped by ODLH in 2001. lol

Latino Canelo is gonna overshadow Floyd.

[Enlightened-One]

Floyd was a master at timing his future fights. Floyd didn't fight Kostya Tszyu, prime Margo, prime Pacquiao or prime Cotto.

Mayweather made his debut at 140lbs only a few months before Tszyu’s final victory at 140lbs.

Bob Arum admitted that Floyd wanted the Antonio Margarito bout, but Top Rank wouldn’t pay for it.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, and Manny Pacquiao, with all three former Money May victims having previously defeated Antonio Margarito.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Miguel Cotto immediately after the Puerto Rican’s victory over Antonio Margarito.

After the defeat to Mayweather, Miguel Cotto subsequently claimed the WBC and The RING titles at 160lbs by defeating Sergio Martinez, successfully defended it, and was rated by ESPN as the ninth best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet. Shortly before his retirement, Cotto captured the WBO super welterweight title.

Floyd fought a past-prime Oscar in a close fight and one year later Pacquiao battered ODLH.
Also Floyd fought a 2005 Arturo Gatti that was stopped by ODLH in 2001. lol

Latino Canelo is gonna overshadow Floyd.

I'm getting bored of your nonsense claims, so I'll just recycle an old post:

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career...

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former/current world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title fight 17 years prior to his final world championship bout, by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a Hall-of-Fame nominee, a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Six were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Manny Pacquiao [3rd]; Saul Alvarez [10th]; Shane Mosley [3rd]; Juan Manuel Marquez [2nd]; Ricky Hatton [8th] and Diego Corrales [5th])
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez [fighter of the year 2019] and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

According to Ring Magazine, the following fighters were considered top-ten pound-for-pounders at the time of their fights against Floyd Mayweather Jr.:

World Titles:
• WBC Super Featherweight Title (1998-2002; 8 defenses)
• WBC Lightweight Title (2002-2004; 3 defenses)
• WBC Super Lightweight Title (2005; 0 defenses)
• IBF Welterweight Title (2006; 0 defenses)
• (2) WBC Welterweight Title (2006-2008; 1 defense, 2011-2015; 5 defenses)
• (2) WBC Super Welterweight Title (2007; 0 defenses, 2013-2015; 1 defense)
• WBA Super Welterweight Super Title (2012-2016; 1 defense)
• WBA Welterweight Super Title (2014-2016; 3 defenses)
• WBO Welterweight Title (2015; 0 defenses)

Unified Titles:
• Unified Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015; WBA, WBC)
• (2) Unified Welterweight Title (2014-2015; WBC, WBA, 2015; WBC, WBA, WBO)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBC Junior Middleweight Title (2007)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBA Junior Middleweight Title (2012-2015)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2013-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2014-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA, WBO) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2015)

The Ring Magazine Titles:
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2013-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

Lineal Titles:
• World Junior Lightweight Title (1998-2002)
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2010-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

And one more fact, Canelo suffered an embarrassingly one-sided defeat to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[apollo creed]

Bottom line is FMJ didn't fight 2009-2010 version of Pacquiao !

FmJ also had a close fight with an over the hill ODLH and beat a 2005 Gatti that was stopped in 2001 by ODLH.

Facts!

Canelo was and he's willing to fight often and take risky fights like Lara, Trout, GGG, Jacobs and now a top CW champion.

[Evander]

He overshadows all of those boxers because he's better than them right now, he's earned top spot.

[NateJR]

Bottom line is FMJ didn't fight 2009-2010 version of Pacquiao !

FmJ also had a close fight with an over the hill ODLH and beat a 2005 Gatti that was stopped in 2001 by ODLH.

Facts!

Canelo was and he's willing to fight often and take risky fights like Lara, Trout, GGG, Jacobs and now a top CW champion.

Pacquiao didn't fight a 2009-2010 Mayweather either.

Floyd also moved up in weight and fought ODLH at 154 where ODLH was a champion and adhered to all of DLHs stipulations. It was a close fight, but a clear win by Floyd. Not like Pacquaio who fought DLH at a weight he hadnt fought at for over 7 years a year and a half later than Floyd.

But I guess fighting Canelo, DLH, Mosley, Pacquaio, Corrales, Castillo, Cotto, Hatton weren't risky fights. They would have been risky fights for anyone else, but not for Floyd. Man, you're delusional if you honestly believe Floyd took the path of least resistance his entire career and took no risks.

[tiny_acres]

Bottom line is FMJ didn't fight 2009-2010 version of Pacquiao !

FmJ also had a close fight with an over the hill ODLH and beat a 2005 Gatti that was stopped in 2001 by ODLH.

Facts!

Canelo was and he's willing to fight often and take risky fights like Lara, Trout, GGG, Jacobs and now a top CW champion.

Pacquiao didn't fight a 2009-2010 Mayweather either.

Floyd also moved up in weight and fought ODLH at 154 where ODLH was a champion and adhered to all of DLHs stipulations. It was a close fight, but a clear win by Floyd. Not like Pacquaio who fought DLH at a weight he hadnt fought at for over 7 years a year and a half later than Floyd.

But I guess fighting Canelo, DLH, Mosley, Pacquaio, Corrales, Castillo, Cotto, Hatton weren't risky fights. They would have been risky fights for anyone else, but not for Floyd. Man, you're delusional if you honestly believe Floyd took the path of least resistance his entire career and took no risks.

[margaret thatcher]

apollo and eo are made for each other, passionate love-hate sex

[apollo creed]

He overshadows all of those boxers because he's better than them right now, he's earned top spot.

Yup. Imagine if Canelo would beat Makabu, unify@175 and Benavidez?! Canelo would silence all of them and make his own history.

[brilo33]

saul in his prime would beat mayweather i think if they had rematched 5 years down the line

Canelo would never have beaten Money May at 154lbs or less.

And Money May would never have agreed to compete at 160lbs, because he was just too damn small.

Despite Canelo being the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet competing today, he usually loses three or four rounds to opponents that are vastly inferior than Money May.

And the past-his-prime version of Floyd hurt his hand when he fought Canelo and yet he still managed to cruise to victory, arguably winning almost every single round.

So whilst it’s an undeniable fact that today’s iteration of Canelo is superior than the 2013 version that got dominated by Floyd Mayweather Jr, I honestly don’t think he’s improved enough to have beaten a prime Money May at 154lbs or less.

you say that, but hatton had sucsess with pretty boy early on ,mosley was akward and Maidana, and when i say this.this totaly made up fight , it is in the hindsight that canelo has had the knowledge of them past fights , and his first fight with pretty boy just pretty boy hasnt aged ,so it would been a rematch of sorts

[jezzamundo]

I like Canelo better, but I don't think he's close to Mayweather in terms of ATG status. He has also benefited from some very generous judging over the years:

- I had him beating Trout 114-113, while the judges had it much wider.
- I had Mayweather beating him 118-110, how one judge had it a draw I will never know.
- I had the Lara fight a draw (split decision was OK though)
- I had him beating Cotto 115-113, the scorecards were a joke.
- GGG clearly won their first fight, I had it 116-112.
- 2nd GGG fight I had a draw, Canelo was lucky to get the nod but the scorecards were fine.

[Counter-puncher]

you say that, but hatton had sucsess with pretty boy early on

he landed one punch and spent virtually the whole fight walking into left hooks.

this fight gets so badly remembered just because Hatton caught floyd with a step-in jab as Floyd's feet were squared up and so he was unbalanced. even in the first round where Hatton supposedly 'gave him problems' (not what you said I know but this is the perception it seems), I swear Hatton ate 7 or 8 left hooks in that round alone, and he kept eating them all night

I seriously think that one punch is one of the most over-rated moments in recent boxing history.