Current all time greats?

[giacomino]

For me, besides Canelo, Chocolatito is in. 50-3, 41KOs, belts in four divisions, almost all of his fights on the road. He's beaten 11 current or former beltholders and two of his three losses were crap decisions. Brilliant fighter. If he were a Ukrainian heavyweight he'd be considered the second coming of Jesus on boxrec. For me, Inoue just needs to move up one more time and fight the best guy at 122 or 126 and win and he'd be in the mix. The way he's destroyed the bantamweight division after winning belts in two other divisions has been extremely impressive.

[margaret thatcher]

For me, besides Canelo, Chocolatito is in. 50-3, 41KOs, belts in four divisions, almost all of his fights on the road. He's beaten 11 current or former beltholders and two of his three losses were crap decisions. Brilliant fighter. If he were a Ukrainian heavyweight he'd be considered the second coming of Jesus on boxrec. For me, Inoue just needs to move up one more time and fight the best guy at 122 or 126 and win and he'd be in the mix. The way he's destroyed the bantamweight division after winning belts in two other divisions has been extremely impressive.

shots fired at big olek

[giacomino]

For me, besides Canelo, Chocolatito is in. 50-3, 41KOs, belts in four divisions, almost all of his fights on the road. He's beaten 11 current or former beltholders and two of his three losses were crap decisions. Brilliant fighter. If he were a Ukrainian heavyweight he'd be considered the second coming of Jesus on boxrec. For me, Inoue just needs to move up one more time and fight the best guy at 122 or 126 and win and he'd be in the mix. The way he's destroyed the bantamweight division after winning belts in two other divisions has been extremely impressive.

shots fired at big olek

Nope. He’s been one of my favorite fighters since winning gold at the 2012 Olympics.

[gregregegg]

For me, besides Canelo, Chocolatito is in. 50-3, 41KOs, belts in four divisions, almost all of his fights on the road. He's beaten 11 current or former beltholders and two of his three losses were crap decisions. Brilliant fighter. If he were a Ukrainian heavyweight he'd be considered the second coming of Jesus on boxrec. For me, Inoue just needs to move up one more time and fight the best guy at 122 or 126 and win and he'd be in the mix. The way he's destroyed the bantamweight division after winning belts in two other divisions has been extremely impressive.

shots fired at big olek

Nope. He’s been one of my favorite fighters since winning gold at the 2012 Olympics.

Friendly fire…

[591222]

The first fight vs ggg canelo lost but canelo did enough to win the rematch. Also ggg hasn't fought better fighters than canelo has and has been at 160 his whole career without and hasnt even unify all the belts there or won anything at any other weight.

[fanman]

Canelo clearly is.

I think Usyk already clearly is. Gold medalist, All the belts fighting away through a strong cruiser division, smoked a big, prime heavy with arguably the deepest resume of the current era. Its as good as it gets really.

I wouldent have anyone else definatly there yet although GGG should probably be, and crawford may well be in hindsight.

Yes. What usyk achieved is immense.

If crawford was taking on big fights in a great era, but he's not up to now.

Fury / usyk / joshua winner to cement themselves as best heavy of era.

Ggg, not the greatest wins, but you can see from the 2 canelo fights he was his equal at least.

Can berterbiev achieve greatness, if he beat canelo for example.

Loma, is nearly there for amateur record as well.

[Thomastearns]

Lomachenko, obviously. Who else in our era neutralised some great champions the way he did?

The winner of Usyk v Joshua 2, or maybe both.
Usyk must be the step-up great of our time.

GGG, who by now would have set an undisputed MW defence record if not for the blatant cartel daylinght robberies.

Roman 'Chocaltito' Gonzalez, the most stylish balanced boxer fighting today. Just oozes pure class.


Canelo can also be considered an all time great.
An all time great pioneering PED poster boy for the sport, that is.

Even our Pfizer-BioNTech overlords would be proud of this man's ability to accrue chemically assisted lucre.

[jezzamundo]

IMO the following are already all time greats, in no particular order:

Canelo
Usyk
Chocolatito
GGG
Fury
Crawford
Inoue

[Enlightened-One]

In my opinion, a Hall-of-Famer is someone who’s enjoyed an illustrious career that either competed for a prolonged period at elite (i.e. Miguel Cotto) or provided an historically significant contribution to the sport (i.e. Arturo Gatti).

However, an all-time-great is a person who was not only the very best of their respective era, but also good enough to be considered as one of the greatest to have ever competed (i.e. Sugar Ray Robinson). And what I mean is this... they're capable of beating the majority of the very best throughout the entire course of history.

A lot of the names mentioned in this thread are merely future Hall-of-Fame worthy candidates, but very few of them will actually end up being regarded as genuine all-time-greats more than a decade from now.

So you need to know a lot about existing all-time-greats from their respective weight classes/eras and determine whether they would actually lose to some of the best fighters competing today.

And we need something more than the proverbial eyeball test to validate someone’s talent. Their resume needs to contain credible names in their respective primes.

For instance: Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are dead-cert future Hall-of-Famers, but I don’t think either man will ever be considered all-time-greats.

Could they beat Floyd Mayweather Jr., Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Thomas Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and some of the big names from yesteryear? I really don't think they can.

In stark contrast: Oleksandr Usyk has already achieved all-time-great status. He’s one of the top-two cruiserweights that’s ever competed in that weight class. And he’s just beaten Anthony Joshua, who I consider to be a future Hall-of-Famer, a former unified world champion and was previously regarded as one of the top-three heavyweights competing today.

Therefore, the bar for achieving all-time-great status is much higher than what’s required to become a Hall-of-Famer.

I’m confident that if people revised their criteria accordingly, they’d change their mind about some of the names they’ve mentioned.

Anyway, I’m not being funny, but people mentioning the likes of Ryan Garcia, David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson, Devin Haney, Artur Beterbiev and GGG as future all-time-greats, is just laughably appalling!

[jezzamundo]

In my opinion, a Hall-of-Famer is someone who’s enjoyed an illustrious career that either competed for a prolonged period at elite (i.e. Miguel Cotto) or provided an historically significant contribution to the sport (i.e. Arturo Gatti).

However, an all-time-great is a person who was not only the very best of their respective era, but also good enough to be considered as one of the greatest to have ever competed (i.e. Sugar Ray Robinson). And what I mean is this... they're capable of beating the majority of the very best throughout the entire course of history.

A lot of the names mentioned in this thread are merely future Hall-of-Fame worthy candidates, but very few of them will actually end up being regarded as genuine all-time-greats more than a decade from now.

So you need to know a lot about existing all-time-greats from their respective weight classes/eras and determine whether they would actually lose to some of the best fighters competing today.

And we need something more than the proverbial eyeball test to validate someone’s talent. Their resume needs to contain credible names in their respective primes.

For instance: Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are dead-cert future Hall-of-Famers, but I don’t think either man will ever be considered all-time-greats.

Could they beat Floyd Mayweather Jr., Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Thomas Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and some of the big names from yesteryear? I really don't think they can.

In stark contrast: Oleksandr Usyk has already achieved all-time-great status. He’s one of the top-two cruiserweights that’s ever competed in that weight class. And he’s just beaten Anthony Joshua, who I consider to be a future Hall-of-Famer, a former unified world champion and was previously regarded as one of the top-three heavyweights competing today.

Therefore, the bar for achieving all-time-great status is much higher than what’s required to become a Hall-of-Famer.

I’m confident that if people revised their criteria accordingly, they’d change their mind about some of the names they’ve mentioned.

Anyway, I’m not being funny, but people mentioning the likes of Ryan Garcia, David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson, Devin Haney, Artur Beterbiev and GGG as future all-time-greats, is just laughably appalling!

Decent post - I guess I considered 'all time great' to be synonymous with Hall of Famer. GGG's resume isn't the strongest, but he's head and shoulder over the other names you listed. Not to mention he deserves a W over a prime Canelo.

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Crawford has wasted the last few years cashing cheques against wank opposition, but to be fair to him, he was a shoo-in before he went up to 147.

Usyk, Gonzalez and Alvarez have already achieved ATG status whatever they do going forwards.

Golovkin sneaks in for me; had he got the decision against Alvarez, he'd be a no-brainer.

Errol Spence is probably a victory over Crawford from being an ATG, but that's an ominous task, even on paper, let alone in reality.

Fury could and should be an ATG by now, but his propensity to disappear whenever he reaches great heights hampers his credentials.

[stujones]

No mention of Donaire? Think he is a good bit closer than some being mentioned.

[margaret thatcher]

he was mentioned 2x before

[lazboy]

Crawford has wasted the last few years cashing cheques against wank opposition, but to be fair to him, he was a shoo-in before he went up to 147.

Usyk, Gonzalez and Alvarez have already achieved ATG status whatever they do going forwards.

Golovkin sneaks in for me; had he got the decision against Alvarez, he'd be a no-brainer.

Errol Spence is probably a victory over Crawford from being an ATG, but that's an ominous task, even on paper, let alone in reality.

Fury could and should be an ATG by now, but his propensity to disappear whenever he reaches great heights hampers his credentials.

Nice post. Agree with you.

[apollo creed]

Usyk, Fury, GGG, Canelo, Loma

[Enlightened-One]

In my opinion, a Hall-of-Famer is someone who’s enjoyed an illustrious career that either competed for a prolonged period at elite (i.e. Miguel Cotto) or provided an historically significant contribution to the sport (i.e. Arturo Gatti).

However, an all-time-great is a person who was not only the very best of their respective era, but also good enough to be considered as one of the greatest to have ever competed (i.e. Sugar Ray Robinson). And what I mean is this... they're capable of beating the majority of the very best throughout the entire course of history.

A lot of the names mentioned in this thread are merely future Hall-of-Fame worthy candidates, but very few of them will actually end up being regarded as genuine all-time-greats more than a decade from now.

So you need to know a lot about existing all-time-greats from their respective weight classes/eras and determine whether they would actually lose to some of the best fighters competing today.

And we need something more than the proverbial eyeball test to validate someone’s talent. Their resume needs to contain credible names in their respective primes.

For instance: Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford are dead-cert future Hall-of-Famers, but I don’t think either man will ever be considered all-time-greats.

Could they beat Floyd Mayweather Jr., Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Thomas Hearns, Pernell Whitaker and some of the big names from yesteryear? I really don't think they can.

In stark contrast: Oleksandr Usyk has already achieved all-time-great status. He’s one of the top-two cruiserweights that’s ever competed in that weight class. And he’s just beaten Anthony Joshua, who I consider to be a future Hall-of-Famer, a former unified world champion and was previously regarded as one of the top-three heavyweights competing today.

Therefore, the bar for achieving all-time-great status is much higher than what’s required to become a Hall-of-Famer.

I’m confident that if people revised their criteria accordingly, they’d change their mind about some of the names they’ve mentioned.

Anyway, I’m not being funny, but people mentioning the likes of Ryan Garcia, David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson, Devin Haney, Artur Beterbiev and GGG as future all-time-greats, is just laughably appalling!

Decent post - I guess I considered 'all time great' to be synonymous with Hall of Famer. GGG's resume isn't the strongest, but he's head and shoulder over the other names you listed. Not to mention he deserves a W over a prime Canelo.

GGG was an incredibly talented fighter. Based solely on the proverbial eyeball test, he had the potential to become and all-time-great, but his terribly weak resume compels me to think he hasn’t done enough to earn such a lofty status.

I know I’ll probably receive a lot of criticism for my opinion, but his resume is undeniably weak and his reputation is tarnished for his refusal to engage in rematches against Jacobs and Derevyanchenko.

[apollo creed]

Usyk, Fury, GGG, Canelo, Loma and Juan Francisco Estrada

[apollo creed]

34-35 y/o Golovkin beat younger Canelo in the 1st fight, Jacobs and Chenko. OG fought and beat the best in his era.

Its like when Ray Leonard beat Hagler, Duran and Hearns, although Canelo and Jacobs are much bigger, size-wise fighters.

Anyway, lets not forget that fighters like Cotto and Canelo avoided like plague 2015-2016 GGG.

[Enlightened-One]

34-35 y/o Golovkin beat younger Canelo in the 1st fight, Jacobs and Chenko. OG fought and beat the best in his era.

Its like when Ray Leonard beat Hagler, Duran and Hearns, although Canelo and Jacobs are much bigger, size-wise fighters.

Anyway, lets not forget that fighters like Cotto and Canelo avoided like plague 2015-2016 GGG.

Golovkin rejected the Canelo bout during 2014 & 2015. The Mexican was a super-welterweight and wanted Gennadiy to compete at 155lbs, but the Kazakh wouldn’t entertain a catchweight bout.

This was around the same time GGG was boasting about his ability to beat all the best world-rated fighters from 154lbs to 175lbs.

GBP made the Canelo-GGG bout, K2 didn’t. Loeffler never submitted an offer for De La Hoya to reject (or “duck”).

How many offers have K2 made to GGG’s big-name peers were actually rejected?

How many times did other fighters, like Billy Joe Saunders, sign contracts to face Gennadiy, which ultimately resulted in GGG walking away from fights?

GGG was a great fighter, but he refused to attempt to prove his boasts (by competing in other weight classes) and his resume is far too weak for al all-time-great.

He’s definitely an Hall-of-Famer and a fighter I always found incredibly entertaining, but his resume is nowhere near good enough for an all-time-great.

[SportsRatings]

I guess it depends, how many ATGs are there in boxing history? If the answer is 25, then there might not be any ATGs currently boxing. If the answer is 250, then there are quite a few

[apollo creed]

G's resume is good enough. G beat the best fighters in his era like Canelo, Jacobs and Chenko, even if he was 34-35 y/o! Much better opponents than Martinez, Cotto, Quillin or JccjR.

Also lets wait to see if G would beat Murata, Munguia and Eubank Jr .

[Tony1244]

Chocolatito.

Boots Ennis has potential to be a once in a generation talent at 147-154.

I think Fury is flirting with ATG status if he can string a few more big title defenses together. Especially if he meets and defeats Usyk, which he should.

You’re right forgot Ennis and Vergil both definitely have that potential.

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

[giacomino]

No mention of Donaire? Think he is a good bit closer than some being mentioned.

Forgot about him. Definitely above most of those mentioned so far. He’s been a belt holder or fighting for titles for 14 years and beaten something like a dozen fellow belt holders. Darchinyan was a P4Per when Donaire took him out in 2007

[Mexi-Box]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

[DrDuke]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.