BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Parker vs. Chisora / Hunter vs. Forrest / Rivas

[ironbeard]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

I thought he beat Parker and I'm sure he'd've got the nod anywhere else but NZ.

+1

[margaret thatcher]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

I thought he beat Parker and I'm sure he'd've got the nod anywhere else but NZ.

who beat joe more clearly, andy or hughie

[margaret thatcher]

i thought del beat whyte, parker, and helenius

too bad for dudes like del and andy that thoughts arent reality

[Ruthless-RKO]

i thought del beat whyte, parker, and helenius

too bad for dudes like del and andy that thoughts arent reality

And many had him ahead in Whyte 2, before all the dodgy point deductions and KO.

[gregregegg]

im torn, Chisora has lost his last 3. But i would rate them as 3 good preformances. Each of those 3 losses was a better preformance than Ruizs preformance vs arreola, Or even his one vs AJ the second time.

I voted chis out based on 3 losses, then i had to stop and think, and im going to change that vote (hope the pole lets me).

[gregregegg]

Hey mr Ruthless, one of those "out of the top 15s" is me and i want it to be move to 14.... If you rememember that adjustment at tally time it would be good. If not, its hardly sheep stations, the world will be fine.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hey mr Ruthless, one of those "out of the top 15s" is me and i want it to be move to 14.... If you rememember that adjustment at tally time it would be good. If not, its hardly sheep stations, the world will be fine.

Quickly edit it

[joshj909]

I seen a few posts about the Top 15 BoxRec HW rankings. I know Dag is unwell, I hope nothing has happened.

I hope Dag can take over, but I created this seen as it's the end of the year.

I know we have Ortiz-Martin on Jan 1st and Yoka vs. Bakole is soon., but I haven't added the schedules on the list.

Let's get voting.

I was going to post something similar. I thought maybe restart the rankings from scratch in Jan if we had not heard from Dag?

I have tried to collect his methodology from previous posts. As I understand it, this was the methodology to determine the original top 15 which we could restart every January to clear inactive and unworthy guys:
1. 40 points
2. 36 points
3. 33 points
4 30 points
5. 27. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 14 points
12. 13 points
13. 12 points
14. 11 points
15. 10 points

Future updates are calculated by using the median from the votes.

[ironbeard]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

I thought he beat Parker and I'm sure he'd've got the nod anywhere else but NZ.

who beat joe more clearly, andy or hughie

Andy, imo, since I had Parker over Baby Fury.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

If votes are still being taken for this Top 15:

Rivas: remove from rankings.
Hunter: remove from rankings.
Chisora: down to #15
Parker: up to #6

[skanksta]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

I thought he beat Parker and I'm sure he'd've got the nod anywhere else but NZ.

who beat joe more clearly, andy or hughie

Hughie !
Ruiz outboxed him in a close fight. “Nicked it”.
Hughie made him look like a flat-footed novice that couldn’t hit a cow's arse with a banjo.
I was 118-112. Felt like I took 2 rounds off Hughie - rather than score them for Parker too - because you gotta throw something.

It was a terrible decision.
I understand why the judges got it so wrong though.

[margaret thatcher]

it really was shades of ali

[Ruthless-RKO]

Split between Del staying in the rankings or being dropped.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kubrat Pulev is about to fight his second Triad Triller event against another former MMA fighter...

Are his fights being classed as pro fights?

[Ruthless-RKO]

I seen a few posts about the Top 15 BoxRec HW rankings. I know Dag is unwell, I hope nothing has happened.

I hope Dag can take over, but I created this seen as it's the end of the year.

I know we have Ortiz-Martin on Jan 1st and Yoka vs. Bakole is soon., but I haven't added the schedules on the list.

Let's get voting.

I was going to post something similar. I thought maybe restart the rankings from scratch in Jan if we had not heard from Dag?

I have tried to collect his methodology from previous posts. As I understand it, this was the methodology to determine the original top 15 which we could restart every January to clear inactive and unworthy guys:
1. 40 points
2. 36 points
3. 33 points
4 30 points
5. 27. points
6. 24 points
7. 22 points
8. 20 points
9. 18 points
10. 16 points
11. 14 points
12. 13 points
13. 12 points
14. 11 points
15. 10 points

Future updates are calculated by using the median from the votes.

I'm hoping Dag can come back, and it seems you know more about his methodology, I couldn't seem to work It out, or if it was based on most votes. That's why I've added polls.

Hopefully Dag can come back. but if everyone else is happy? What suggestions are there?

[DrDuke]

Kubrat Pulev is about to fight his second Triad Triller event against another former MMA fighter...

Are his fights being classed as pro fights?

No, they aren't.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kubrat Pulev is about to fight his second Triad Triller event against another former MMA fighter...

Are his fights being classed as pro fights?

No, they aren't.

Just checked, they're under bare-knuckle.

[HomicideHenry]

Kubrat Pulev is about to fight his second Triad Triller event against another former MMA fighter...

Are his fights being classed as pro fights?

No, they aren't.

Just checked, they're under bare-knuckle.

MMA gloves actually.

[Ruthless-RKO]

No, they aren't.

Just checked, they're under bare-knuckle.

MMA gloves actually.

I know that, but BoxRec are putting them under the bare-knuckle category.

[HomicideHenry]

Just checked, they're under bare-knuckle.

MMA gloves actually.

I know that, but BoxRec are putting them under the bare-knuckle category.

Ahhh okay. Wasn't aware BoxRec made such distinctions, especially when you consider Triad or BKFC are not the Marquess of Queensbury rules.

[joshj909]

I'm hoping Dag can come back, and it seems you know more about his methodology, I couldn't seem to work It out, or if it was based on most votes. That's why I've added polls.

Hopefully Dag can come back. but if everyone else is happy? What suggestions are there?

I agree. Hopefully Dag can come back but until then I guess if we are open with our approach and methodology then the burden can be shared across the rest of us incase we can't post every day or forget. I'm not 100% certain on the methodology but from what he had previously posted, this is how I understood it. If we don't get an update then a reset in January explaining our approach and rules etc. may be the easiest way forward.

[Finkel]

Dang, I haven't checked on here for a few days and missed all of this. I seem to remember Dag had Helenius at #16, so he would probably fill the gap, but majority decision seems fair, but I don't recall ever voting on his rematch result.

For what it's worth, I think:
Parker to #6 (He has been unbeaten since Whyte, and that performance against Chisora was superior to Ruiz' last one, plus he has a win over Ruiz.
Chisora #drops out (He is coming off too many losses at present)
Hunter # drops out (he was getting a by for beating fighters outside the top #100, and he deserves a loss against Forest who isn't really a top #20 guy).
Forest # not quite yet (I haven't been on board with Hunter's presence in the top 10 the last year or so)
Rivas #15 (I don't mind him being leap frogged by some new inclusions, but he is fighting above the cruiserweight limit, therefore he is a heavyweight still for me).

Personally I would put Helenius at #12 - below Yoka and above Wallin (Wallin did well against a Fury before he linked up with Sugar Hill, but to be honest his performance against a lethargic Breazeale was nothing to write home about), Helenius emphatically beat Kownacki twice.

I would be okay with inserting Sanchez at #14 (I don't rate Ajagba, but Sanchez did what he had to do, and he is unbeaten and active).

[Ruthless-RKO]

Right, lets decide Hunters fate.

Get voting lads.

[CMCanavessi]

Right, lets decide Hunters fate.

Get voting lads.

Out

[oogiebe]

Out. I agree now that it is time.