Tyson Fury would have been eaten for dinner in my era, claims Frank Bruno

[DrDuke]

You mean against a 40 year old Mike Tyson who lost to McBride? Agree. If you mean the guy who romped through 6'5, 6'6 guys in the 80s, don't be silly. Fury's been down 4 times versus Wilder, a man with literally one punch, telegraphed. Mike's power punches were in combinations at high speed from all angles.

I don't like Mike Tyson, but it's obvious some in this thread are too besotted with Fury to judge him objectively. It's going to be painful for them when he inevitably loses.

I don't think Tyson ever beat a world class opponent over 6'4. Fury is around 6'7-6'7 1/2

Tony Tucker Mitch Green Tyrell Biggs Jose Ribalta were all 6'5'' and world class when Tyson beat them. They qll struggled punching down at such an elusive target who was constantly dangerous with his hand speed, combinations and power.

You gotta be kidding about Green and Ribalta being World class.

Biggs was hyped because of his amateur achievements, but in the pros he had never beaten a World class opponent and was crushed each time he faced such.

[polecateddy]

fury doesnt seem to have the confidence to consistently fight good challengers. he can get up for big occasions here and there, but why doesnt he stick around and mix with the different top guys out there?

maybe he'd be caught in one of his 'moods' and get some of them L's his bois like to lol at lennox for? maybe being a good champ is too much work?

It does seem he’s an emotional fighter able to do extraordinary things. But that he can only be “up” when the conditions are right. He isn’t consistent and professional, but he can raise his game win he needs to. And he is able to do this after he has visited the canvas, heavily. It does seem he is walking a tightrope yet I’ve enjoyed the drama of his fights vs Wilder (all) and Wallin.

I never really believed we’d see further improvements promised after Wilder 2. That he’d be in the same amazing shape, but doing smoother and more technical things offensively.

Get the feeling he can win the big fights but isn’t fully up to the responsibilities of being a champion. If he had more belts it’d be even worse for him.

Fury was nearer his ideal size and fitness against Wlad. All this going fatter and heavier stuff will be cruelly exposed if he actually follows through with any of these dangerous fights. As for Fury being unbeatable, just watch how uncomfortable Fury looks when Wlad finally finds some devil in that final round of their fight.

[mickey1975]

So in his whole career, Wlad, for one round, was the only one who dared hit him and he looked uncomfortable?

[polecateddy]

So in his whole career, Wlad, for one round, was the only one who dared hit him and he looked uncomfortable?

I have memories of watching Fury against long forgotten Neven Pajkić, and recall Pajkić looked a couple of punches away from ending it if he’d had a bit more belief. I’m guessing Fury might have been pretty uncomfortable there too.

As an aside that fight was over ten years ago. Do you not find it weird Fury has faced so few genuinely good fighters since?

[jimmystone]

Fury was nearer his ideal size and fitness against Wlad. All this going fatter and heavier stuff will be cruelly exposed if he actually follows through with any of these dangerous fights.

He did look and perform great at 17 stone something but were they not the wild boar years? Maybe he feels he needs an extra couple of stone to be as physically strong as he was then now he's not got the same wild boar supplier?

[polecateddy]

Fury was nearer his ideal size and fitness against Wlad. All this going fatter and heavier stuff will be cruelly exposed if he actually follows through with any of these dangerous fights.

He did look and perform great at 17 stone something but were they not the wild boar years? Maybe he feels he needs an extra couple of stone to be as physically strong as he was then now he's not got the same wild boar supplier?

I don’t for a second doubt the Fury’s experimented with performance enhancing drugs. And then when caught had to come up with an admittedly imaginative explanation. Up there with sprinter Dennis Mitchell’s sky high testosterone, I had a lot of sex excuse. I do suspect with the Fury’s they probably made a cack handed attempt at PED use, rather than the sophisticated stuff you might find going on in the US of A.

[mickey1975]

So in his whole career, Wlad, for one round, was the only one who dared hit him and he looked uncomfortable?

I have memories of watching Fury against long forgotten Neven Pajkić, and recall Pajkić looked a couple of punches away from ending it if he’d had a bit more belief. I’m guessing Fury might have been pretty uncomfortable there too.

As an aside that fight was over ten years ago. Do you not find it weird Fury has faced so few genuinely good fighters since?

The two dominant champions of his era?

[Riddick Bowie]

I don't think Tyson ever beat a world class opponent over 6'4. Fury is around 6'7-6'7 1/2

Tony Tucker Mitch Green Tyrell Biggs Jose Ribalta were all 6'5'' and world class when Tyson beat them. They qll struggled punching down at such an elusive target who was constantly dangerous with his hand speed, combinations and power.

You gotta be kidding about Green and Ribalta being World class.

Biggs was hyped because of his amateur achievements, but in the pros he had never beaten a World class opponent and was crushed each time he faced such.

Well I said they would be contentious. But if Ribalta can give the future undisputed champ and number 1 heavyweight of the 80s a tough 10 round battle a couple of months before he wins the title, a couple of months before Bonecrusher wins a title, against whom he was jobbed, he has a reasonable claim to being world class in that time frame. It's just a point of view, I'm interested to hear others.

Tyson did seem to ruin him, as he ruined Biggs.

Green is hard to grade because he had that big amateur pedigree and had only lost an SD to future champ Berbick, but he disappeared after Tyson and only returned as an old man 7 years later.

[DrDuke]

Tony Tucker Mitch Green Tyrell Biggs Jose Ribalta were all 6'5'' and world class when Tyson beat them. They qll struggled punching down at such an elusive target who was constantly dangerous with his hand speed, combinations and power.

You gotta be kidding about Green and Ribalta being World class.

Biggs was hyped because of his amateur achievements, but in the pros he had never beaten a World class opponent and was crushed each time he faced such.

Well I said they would be contentious. But if Ribalta can give the future undisputed champ and number 1 heavyweight of the 80s a tough 10 round battle a couple of months before he wins the title, a couple of months before Bonecrusher wins a title, against whom he was jobbed, he has a reasonable claim to being world class in that time frame. It's just a point of view, I'm interested to hear others.

Tyson did seem to ruin him, as he ruined Biggs.

Green is hard to grade because he had that big amateur pedigree and had only lost an SD to future champ Berbick, but he disappeared after Tyson and only returned as an old man 7 years later.

Those arguments can easily been turned straight against Mike other than for his opponents in order to back Mike up. Anyway, the Ribalta bout wasn't much of a battle either. Ribalta demonstrated tons of guts, but the fight didn't look close.

[polecateddy]

Tony Tucker Mitch Green Tyrell Biggs Jose Ribalta were all 6'5'' and world class when Tyson beat them. They qll struggled punching down at such an elusive target who was constantly dangerous with his hand speed, combinations and power.

You gotta be kidding about Green and Ribalta being World class.

Biggs was hyped because of his amateur achievements, but in the pros he had never beaten a World class opponent and was crushed each time he faced such.

Well I said they would be contentious. But if Ribalta can give the future undisputed champ and number 1 heavyweight of the 80s a tough 10 round battle a couple of months before he wins the title, a couple of months before Bonecrusher wins a title, against whom he was jobbed, he has a reasonable claim to being world class in that time frame. It's just a point of view, I'm interested to hear others.

Tyson did seem to ruin him, as he ruined Biggs.

Green is hard to grade because he had that big amateur pedigree and had only lost an SD to future champ Berbick, but he disappeared after Tyson and only returned as an old man 7 years later.

Whether or not you want to call these fighters fringe world class or whatever, it does demonstrate a depth to the heavyweight field that does not exist today. I think if there’s a hint either Helenius or Ruiz are in great shape I think Fury will disappear and run for the hills. I think some heavyweights burn with the desire to prove themselves against the best, and Fury isn’t made of quite the same stuff.

[adislav123]

fury doesnt seem to have the confidence to consistently fight good challengers. he can get up for big occasions here and there, but why doesnt he stick around and mix with the different top guys out there?

maybe he'd be caught in one of his 'moods' and get some of them L's his bois like to lol at lennox for? maybe being a good champ is too much work?

It does seem he’s an emotional fighter able to do extraordinary things. But that he can only be “up” when the conditions are right. He isn’t consistent and professional, but he can raise his game win he needs to. And he is able to do this after he has visited the canvas, heavily. It does seem he is walking a tightrope yet I’ve enjoyed the drama of his fights vs Wilder (all) and Wallin.

I never really believed we’d see further improvements promised after Wilder 2. That he’d be in the same amazing shape, but doing smoother and more technical things offensively.

Get the feeling he can win the big fights but isn’t fully up to the responsibilities of being a champion. If he had more belts it’d be even worse for him.

Fury was nearer his ideal size and fitness against Wlad. All this going fatter and heavier stuff will be cruelly exposed if he actually follows through with any of these dangerous fights. As for Fury being unbeatable, just watch how uncomfortable Fury looks when Wlad finally finds some devil in that final round of their fight.

who wouldn't. literally moments before reaching the goal you worked your ass off your whole life.

u know u just gotta stay on your feet for a couple of minutes and you're the undisputed heavyweight king of the world.

after you danced rings around 'the man' who knocked out everybody he faced for the last decade, who was considered unbeatable.

sure, u wouldn't be 'uncomfortable' or nervous in that last round.

frikkin vlad klitschko, that u watched dominating everybody since your teenage years, finally overcoming his deep rooted phlegma, trying to pull the trigger on you.

you would be cool as a cucumber, yeah right.

[tonyevs]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

[mickey1975]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

Tone, I have no idea of you or your involvement in boxing, but to call me a casual is a sin. Ban him mods.

[DrDuke]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

Before the 1st Fury-Wilder match Wilder was a one of the HW top 2. Everyone was talking Joshua-Wilder.

[polecateddy]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

Before the 1st Fury-Wilder match Wilder was a one of the HW top 2. Everyone was talking Joshua-Wilder.

I don’t think Wilder is any worse now than he ever was. If he’s actually any good let’s see him fight someone decent next and prove it. I think Joyce would walk through him and make a much better job of it than Fury, as would numerous other fighters.

[DrDuke]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

Before the 1st Fury-Wilder match Wilder was a one of the HW top 2. Everyone was talking Joshua-Wilder.

I don’t think Wilder is any worse now than he ever was. If he’s actually any good let’s see him fight someone decent next and prove it. I think Joyce would walk through him and make a much better job of it than Fury, as would numerous other fighters.

That's right. It's necessary to see Wilder more against the current top. I also won't pick him over Joyce, but I can easily see him knocking out chinny Whyte.

[tonyevs]

Its easy to dismiss those that idolise Fury as casuals or simply clueless .. and those that question the claim he is the next Ali, or an ATG as a hater. There is such a paucity of actual solid evidence when discussing Fury`s talent; maybe he is all that - maybe he isn`t .. there simply isnt enough talented opposition on his record to say with any certainty.


Nobody hypes Wilder up as much as Fury - obviously to distract from how terrible Wilder is, and to make his wins over him look better than they actually were.
John Fury has previously stated he wanted Tyson to retire after the 3rd Wilder fight - no doubt to avoid being found out as Joshua has been.

As poor as the two names mentioned for Furys next fight are, the trajectory of which Fury appears to be heading; it will not be a surprise to see either one of them beat Fury.

Tone, I have no idea of you or your involvement in boxing, but to call me a casual is a sin. Ban him mods.

On the wind-up or on the beer Mick?

If I called you a casual, then that would mean your identifying yourself as idolising Fury .. do you idolise him Mick?

[margaret thatcher]

fury doesnt seem to have the confidence to consistently fight good challengers. he can get up for big occasions here and there, but why doesnt he stick around and mix with the different top guys out there?

maybe he'd be caught in one of his 'moods' and get some of them L's his bois like to lol at lennox for? maybe being a good champ is too much work?

So he lacks confidence? Your obsession with him is out of control!

he obviously has it on certain occasions, unfortunately he seems to lack enough of it to stick around and put in a sustained run vs good opposition. hopefully that'll change in 2022

[Autobarn]

fury doesnt seem to have the confidence to consistently fight good challengers. he can get up for big occasions here and there, but why doesnt he stick around and mix with the different top guys out there?

maybe he'd be caught in one of his 'moods' and get some of them L's his bois like to lol at lennox for? maybe being a good champ is too much work?

It does seem he’s an emotional fighter able to do extraordinary things. But that he can only be “up” when the conditions are right. He isn’t consistent and professional, but he can raise his game win he needs to. And he is able to do this after he has visited the canvas, heavily. It does seem he is walking a tightrope yet I’ve enjoyed the drama of his fights vs Wilder (all) and Wallin.

I never really believed we’d see further improvements promised after Wilder 2. That he’d be in the same amazing shape, but doing smoother and more technical things offensively.

Get the feeling he can win the big fights but isn’t fully up to the responsibilities of being a champion. If he had more belts it’d be even worse for him.

Fury was nearer his ideal size and fitness against Wlad. All this going fatter and heavier stuff will be cruelly exposed if he actually follows through with any of these dangerous fights. As for Fury being unbeatable, just watch how uncomfortable Fury looks when Wlad finally finds some devil in that final round of their fight.

When did I claim he was unbeatable?

Regarding Fury getting bigger, from Wilder 2. I think he’s stuck with that style now, being aggressive and physical. The changes he made to batter Wilder are likely permanent. I prefer this style but it’s likely someone will catch him more frequently with punishing shots. I can’t see the tricky boxer Fury anymore.

[mickey1975]

Right, so who's going to hit him harder than Wilder has, flush?

[margaret thatcher]

they might catch him more

or with sharper shots - like otter did

its not a simple thing either. cunningham hurt him more with a right hand than wlad did. wallin sliced him up worse than wilder did.

[skanksta]

Little Tyson would be a big longshot against Big Tyson weak CV or not.
All else is madness.

Bruno wouldn't stand much chance against AJ either ! AJ is basically a rich man's Bruno.

[polecateddy]

Little Tyson would be a big longshot against Big Tyson weak CV or not.
All else is madness.

Bruno wouldn't stand much chance against AJ either ! AJ is basically a rich man's Bruno.

You have to be a youngster to say nonsense like that about Mike Tyson. Granted Bruno statement quite accurate.

[skanksta]

Little Tyson would be a big longshot against Big Tyson weak CV or not.
All else is madness.

Bruno wouldn't stand much chance against AJ either ! AJ is basically a rich man's Bruno.

You have to be a youngster to say nonsense like that about Mike Tyson. Granted Bruno statement quite accurate.

I’m no youngster !

Who do you fancy to win.., Teo vs Okolie ?
Same size difference.

[polecateddy]

Little Tyson would be a big longshot against Big Tyson weak CV or not.
All else is madness.

Bruno wouldn't stand much chance against AJ either ! AJ is basically a rich man's Bruno.

You have to be a youngster to say nonsense like that about Mike Tyson. Granted Bruno statement quite accurate.

I’m no youngster !

Who do you fancy to win.., Teo vs Okolie ?
Same size difference.

You should watch some Baby Jake Matlala fights to get over making such size generalisations. I think Lennox on balance was probably the best heavyweight. But a young Mike Tyson on song brings such a unique combination of speed, skill, power and strength he would have had live chances to embarrass Lewis. And obviously would have brought the type of challenge to the party that Fury has probably not come close to ever experiencing, either in sparring or any of his pro fights. Also the coming in at 19-20 stone thing is quite illogical really as Fury has never been a puncher, and the extra weight will just negatively effect his speed and stamina. Wilder was just not good enough to take advantage of it.