Tyson Fury would have been eaten for dinner in my era, claims Frank Bruno

[mickey1975]

Fury uses his extra weight really well in leaning on. He did it to McDermott in the rematch. It's hard work with a man his size laying on you. It's not about power.

[Riddick Bowie]

Little Tyson would be a big longshot against Big Tyson weak CV or not.
All else is madness.

Bruno wouldn't stand much chance against AJ either ! AJ is basically a rich man's Bruno.

You have to be a youngster to say nonsense like that about Mike Tyson. Granted Bruno statement quite accurate.

I’m no youngster !

Who do you fancy to win.., Teo vs Okolie ?
Same size difference.

One of the most naive and historically illiterate analogies I've read on a boxing forum.

Lightweights are little people who don't beat light heavyweights, who are big people.

Heavyweights, even little ones, are big people, and they have the requisite power to destroy even bigger heavyweights. It was true 100 years ago when Dempsey smashed Willard, and it was still true 100 days ago when Usyk made made easy work of Joshua.

[Boxerbeetle]

Fury uses his extra weight really well in leaning on. He did it to McDermott in the rematch. It's hard work with a man his size laying on you. It's not about power.

I suppose I haven’t compared John McDermott to prime Mike Tyson as often as I perhaps should have.

[margaret thatcher]

big bad john was essentially a taller heavier version of tyson

[mickey1975]

Fury uses his extra weight really well in leaning on. He did it to McDermott in the rematch. It's hard work with a man his size laying on you. It's not about power.

I suppose I haven’t compared John McDermott to prime Mike Tyson as often as I perhaps should have.

He did better against Danny Williams.

[Verdi]

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

[skanksta]

Of course he wouldn’t.

[tonyevs]

Fury uses his extra weight really well in leaning on. He did it to McDermott in the rematch. It's hard work with a man his size laying on you. It's not about power.

I suppose I haven’t compared John McDermott to prime Mike Tyson as often as I perhaps should have.

[bripez]

big bad john was essentially a taller heavier version of tyson

John liked painting and Mike liked pigeons- I can't believe I have never noticed before but the similarities are endless.

Don't forget that John is a traveller so no wonder Mickey holds him in such high regard.

[mickey1975]

big bad john was essentially a taller heavier version of tyson

John liked painting and Mike liked pigeons- I can't believe I have never noticed before but the similarities are endless.

Don't forget that John is a traveller so no wonder Mickey holds him in such high regard.

And you love Mike because he is black? Ali B.

[polecateddy]

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

Have you just pulled a big list off Wiki? Some of those fighters in their prime were really dangerous. Before addiction issues Dokes was a really dynamic puncher, and Dokes and Page had a really good grounding and decent skill sets. Douglas was obviously very good on that one big big night. Smith would have kept coming for 12 rounds. Hide had that punchers chance. I’m actually a fan of Akinwande, who was tall and awkward, but did develop a punch late in his career. In fact scored an unofficial knock down against Lewis that a lot of people miss. Generally these are much better fighters than Fury has faced in his career barring I suppose the ageing Wlad.

[mickey1975]

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

Have you just pulled a big list off Wiki? Some of those fighters in their prime were really dangerous. Before addiction issues Dokes was a really dynamic puncher, and Dokes and Page had a really good grounding and decent skill sets. Douglas was obviously very good on that one big big night. Smith would have kept coming for 12 rounds. Hide had that punchers chance. I’m actually a fan of Akinwande, who was tall and awkward, but did develop a punch late in his career. In fact scored an unofficial knock down against Lewis that a lot of people miss. Generally these are much better fighters than Fury has faced in his career barring I suppose the ageing Wlad.

Lennox was very susceptible around the chin, though.

[polecateddy]

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

Have you just pulled a big list off Wiki? Some of those fighters in their prime were really dangerous. Before addiction issues Dokes was a really dynamic puncher, and Dokes and Page had a really good grounding and decent skill sets. Douglas was obviously very good on that one big big night. Smith would have kept coming for 12 rounds. Hide had that punchers chance. I’m actually a fan of Akinwande, who was tall and awkward, but did develop a punch late in his career. In fact scored an unofficial knock down against Lewis that a lot of people miss. Generally these are much better fighters than Fury has faced in his career barring I suppose the ageing Wlad.

Lennox was very susceptible around the chin, though.

That’s probably not actually that true. He was an active fighter who faced a lot of dangerous fighters and was knocked down twice officially. Contrasted with Fury who has been knocked down multiple times, sometimes by obscure fighters, in an inactive career where he’s hardly faced any dangerous fighters apart from Wilder. Wlad had a lot of history behind him of course, but was fresh off that very unconvincing performance against Bryant Jennings. Clearly he was a fading force at that point.

[mickey1975]

Who mentioned Fury? I'm talking about Lennox. Getting his clock cleaned by two fringe top ten guys is bad. Once could have been forgiven. People like Holmes and Fury go over but get up to win. The hallmark of a champion.

[polecateddy]

Who mentioned Fury? I'm talking about Lennox. Getting his clock cleaned by two fringe top ten guys is bad. Once could have been forgiven. People like Holmes and Fury go over but get up to win. The hallmark of a champion.

But on the flipside Lewis did win both rematches. I think in particular McCall doesn’t get enough credit for coming in so determined and in shape in that first fight. I’d like to see Fury cope with Oliver that night. Rahman was starting to lose in that first fight but still was easily in the best shape of his career.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

So much revisinism on here and I lived through those times and watched those fights. In the 80s and 90s people were saying 'boxing isn't as good as it used to be'. There was an awful few years where we saw the biggest heavyweight fights end in DQs for low blows (twice), ear biting, not wanting to fight and prefering to hug, not to mention another fighter who cried in the ring because he'd just been pulled out of rehab. Not to mention a 45yo fat man 1 punching the lineal heavyweight champion. Then the 45yo fat man gets a gift decision in his next fight against Schulz.

Let's play the scorn game like some have been doing with Fury:

Holmes - went life and death with OAP Norton and Witherspoon in his prime. Avoided most of the best heavyweights for years. Then lost (probably won the rematch tbf) against a weakling Light heavyweight after probably deserving to lose the Williams fight the one before that.

Bowe - the whole 'he was past prime against Golota'. Well he was fat in the first fight. But he was always a bit fat and got outboxed in his prime he got schooled by an old Tony Tubbs and Evander Holyfield who didn't like to box. His trained Eddie Futch told Emanuel Steward that he thought Lennox Lewis was too strong and would walk through Bowe for the record. Bowe was incredibly lazy. He was taught head movement by Futch but he couldn't be bothered to use it. I think Futch had enough of him towards the end.

Tyson - beat old men, strong men who couldn't box, light heavyweights but not any actual elite heavyweights. Teddy Atlas has said for years that Tyson lost in all the real fights he had. That he lost whenever someone could stand up to him. Too an extent most of the fights he won were won on the build up to the fight. Everyone was scared of his intimidation.

Lennox - I can't really knock Lennox, he took on all comers and beat every man he faced. Ballsy in the way he'd goto war. At the time I didn't like him because I was a Tyson fan.

Holyfield - just a very patchy record. I remember the complaints when he was champion. The way he took the title from a fat Douglas was impressive. Then in his homecoming fight was out on his feet against Cooper before rallying back. Couldn't put Foreman or Holmes away. Lost against Bowe, regains against a fat Bowe. The loses in his next fight against a blown up light heavyweight who really wasn't that amazing.

Douglas - a great talent that quit against Tucker and literally ate himself into a diabetic coma. Great for a night and that night he beats any version of Tyson.

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

Have you just pulled a big list off Wiki? Some of those fighters in their prime were really dangerous. Before addiction issues Dokes was a really dynamic puncher, and Dokes and Page had a really good grounding and decent skill sets. Douglas was obviously very good on that one big big night. Smith would have kept coming for 12 rounds. Hide had that punchers chance. I’m actually a fan of Akinwande, who was tall and awkward, but did develop a punch late in his career. In fact scored an unofficial knock down against Lewis that a lot of people miss. Generally these are much better fighters than Fury has faced in his career barring I suppose the ageing Wlad.

Such revisionism barring the part that Dokes and Page had good skills and decent hand speed.

Hide was a manufactured fighter who had very few serious fights and was made of utter china. I'm unsure how Hide's win over a journeyman Bentt for the WBO belt is better Stevie Cunningham becoming the number 1 cruserweight on the planet by beating numerous champions and even in his losses going to the wire against the best crusers. Cunningham was bigger than Hide too.

Akinwande got DQ'ed for not wanting to fight against Lewis. But yes he put him down. There's a reason no one notices, it's because no one wants to watch a fight where 1 man is scared to fight. He was skilled and athletic but he was liable to get ragdolled. In 1998 there was actually a fight between Holyfield and Akinwande before Henry caught Hepatitis I think it was. Akinwande might, might just have done a John Ruiz on Holyfield if Holyfield doesn't chin check him.

Smith's was an extremely limited fighter to say the least, probably the most limited HW belt holder in the 80s, and he certainly didn't keep coming for 12 rounds against Tyson. He only started fighting in round 12 after being scared holding on for dear life for 11 rounds.

[polecateddy]

It’s all good fun. Bowe was quite good though. I think the general consensus is that pre Stewart he was probably too good for Lewis, the early version. I don’t think he was fat, certainly not in comparison to say Fury or even Whyte. I think regardless of the past revisionism it’s really quite hard to rate the current crop as other than thin in depth and true ability.

[margaret thatcher]

Who mentioned Fury? I'm talking about Lennox. Getting his clock cleaned by two fringe top ten guys is bad. Once could have been forgiven. People like Holmes and Fury go over but get up to win. The hallmark of a champion.

another hallmark of a champ is sticking around and consistently taking on good challengers. fury's been a champ for 1 fight , vs a guy he'd already fought twice lol

[tonyevs]

So much revisinism on here and I lived through those times and watched those fights. In the 80s and 90s people were saying 'boxing isn't as good as it used to be'.

And who could have guessed things could get worse; yet here we are

[Verdi]

Tyson Fury would have had no trouble in battering many of the past HW champions of the 80's and 90's. He'd certainly have been the favourite against past champions such as Dokes, Page, Cotzee, Damiani, Smith, Douglas, Bentt, Moorer, Hide, Seldon and Akinwande.

Have you just pulled a big list off Wiki? Some of those fighters in their prime were really dangerous. Before addiction issues Dokes was a really dynamic puncher, and Dokes and Page had a really good grounding and decent skill sets. Douglas was obviously very good on that one big big night. Smith would have kept coming for 12 rounds. Hide had that punchers chance. I’m actually a fan of Akinwande, who was tall and awkward, but did develop a punch late in his career. In fact scored an unofficial knock down against Lewis that a lot of people miss. Generally these are much better fighters than Fury has faced in his career barring I suppose the ageing Wlad.

Yes, I looked at a Wiki list and gave a list of the past 80's and 90's champions who I believe that Fury would beat. Do you really think that Akinwande and Dokes would 'eat Fury for dinner'?

[mickey1975]

Who mentioned Fury? I'm talking about Lennox. Getting his clock cleaned by two fringe top ten guys is bad. Once could have been forgiven. People like Holmes and Fury go over but get up to win. The hallmark of a champion.

another hallmark of a champ is sticking around and consistently taking on good challengers. fury's been a champ for 1 fight , vs a guy he'd already fought twice lol

Yeah, we've heard you, Marg.

[margaret thatcher]

just trying to keep up with you my man

[margaret thatcher]

dokes had more than good hand speed btw, those hands were f@cking absurdly fast. a+ speed, loved when he'd whip in those combos. but yes i think fury wouldve beaten him

[Coco]

The 80's was a terrible era, Holmes stood well apart, Tyson easily cleaned up the division but with little resistance.
Then coming out of jail he wasn't the same.
Bowe, Holyfield and Lewis were quality fighters. Lewis was liable to get knocked out if he took his eye of the ball, Bowe's conditioning really did vary.
The Klits were dominant in another poor era, demonstrating how conditioning is usually more important than natural talent.
Past that you have Wilder and AJ who again show how important conditioning is, then Fury who has shown that if his mind and conditioning is right is a level above his contemporaries, perhaps real talent supercedes everything as long as you have spent some time in the gym.

[margaret thatcher]

still gotta beat usyk to show he's the king, levels above all the rest

usyk beating aj comfortable on 1 try is right up there with fury beating wilder. aj and wilder are similar level.