Tyson Fury would have been eaten for dinner in my era, claims Frank Bruno

[margaret thatcher]

wilders record is biggly lacking in quality wins even accounting for the quality of the guys around at the time. no one seriously ranks bermane stiverne or dom breazeale among the best of the era. it's not so much a 'this eras fighters sucks' thing as it is a 'this era allows for continual cherrypicking' thing

[margaret thatcher]

although dont let bob stallings or bernardo mercado near him

[mickey1975]

Laughably bad? He must know a secret then to defending his title for years.

[margaret thatcher]

the weak arse opposition helped. he aint laughably bad though

[Riddick Bowie]

Laughably bad? He must know a secret then to defending his title for years.

Yeah look at his list of challengers. That's the secret.

How many years is Deontay Wilder champ in the 90s? I mean I guess Bruno held it 6 months, while Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield et al were all out in the cold...

[rhino222]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

[Riddick Bowie]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

Who did he KO or KD that convinced you of that? Tyson Fury who goes down against cruisers? Or Luis Ortiz who's 40 or older?

[polecateddy]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

I'd question the worth of just having a big punch. Just take for example the old version of Foreman who likely wasn't even top ten material at the time. Both noted punchers Briggs and Morrison ran for their lives. Wilder wouldn't even have the skills to do that, he'd just gas out and be stopped. Shavers had to fight a much higher level than Wilder, and he was forever gassing out and being stopped. Wilder wouldn't get anywhere in other eras.

[oogiebe]

bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are wilder's 2nd and 3rd best opponents beaten, he obviously had some great gifts but dude beat very little of quality

ppl called breazeale a soft first defense for 2.5 year pro aj, and aj of course won easily. then wilder beats the same guy after 11 years pro and it gets hyped and is one of his best wins lol

I think folks were hyped over Wilder's ko over Breazeale due to the utter shock of that super impactful one shot in the very first round.

[margaret thatcher]

couldve been, either way hyping a win over dom breazeale is pretty funny, although i know it is one of wilder's top wins and supposedly proved that he did indeed have some elbow problem in fury 1 (or whatever it was ppl were saying)

[oogiebe]

couldve been, either way hyping a win over dom breazeale is pretty funny, although i know it is one of wilder's top wins and supposedly proved that he did indeed have some elbow problem in fury 1 (or whatever it was ppl were saying)

It only proved what happens if he's able to land a bomb flush.

[Autobarn]

Wilder has many shortcomings but his power is impressive & he twice stopped a guy, in memorable fights, who was all wrong for him: Ortiz.

And, to his credit, he pushed his luck vs another who had a bad style for him, Fury, in a trilogy that featured two hugely exciting battles. We should give the man a little credit; and the same for Fury in besting the biggest puncher in the sport.

At heavyweight sometimes all that matters is the big punch, ala the revered Ernie Shavers. Was Shavers “Sh it”, because he “only” had a big punch?

Really how "wrong" for Wilder can a 40 year old man be?

Shavers had limitations but the tapes clearly prove he punched with better, more fluid form than Wilder, his footwork was better and he had a wider arsenal of shots.

Skilled southpaw with a decent punch & good timing?

Wilder has some horrible technique, especially the way he swings & his back foot comes off the floor. But he was able to come through adversity vs a better boxer. He has a punch and obviously can fight.

Boxing “fans” seem to immediately take for granted any good fight that’s happened. Suddenly if he beat Ortiz, Ortiz is shi,t. And if he dropped Fury a load of times, it’s because Fury’s “overrated” etc.

Boring.

[margaret thatcher]

would earnie shavers be the #1 heavyweight today, waht do we think

[mickey1975]

would earnie shavers be the #1 heavyweight today, waht do we think

Oh of course, they're all completely useless. Kevin McBride would be king. Easy.

[tigermoth87]

Makes me laugh when these old fossils come crawling out of the dirt.

Athletes in every single sport get better with every generation. Fact.

Sprinters from the 60s, 70s and 80s get left in the dust today. Footballers from the past would struggle today.

Same is true of boxers. Its a fact.

[polecateddy]

Makes me laugh when these old fossils come crawling out of the dirt.

Athletes in every single sport get better with every generation. Fact.

Sprinters from the 60s, 70s and 80s get left in the dust today. Footballers from the past would struggle today.

Same is true of boxers. Its a fact.

Quite a poor analogy considering Flo Jo’s sprinting records still stand from 1988, as do other woman’s athletics records from even earlier. I think I’m boxing it’s not so clear cut. There are advancements in size, with nutritional supplements and of course PEDs such as growth hormone, but on the flip side there might not be the grounding in volume of fights and harsh gym environments to create the craft. If you put say Wilder in a 15 round title fight in the 1970’s he would likely flounder.

[Ezzard]

Fury holds his own in any era. Bruno himself would have no chance.

[rhino222]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

Who did he KO or KD that convinced you of that? Tyson Fury who goes down against cruisers? Or Luis Ortiz who's 40 or older?

Are you claiming Wilder is not a big puncher? He is the biggest 'one blow merchant' in the heavyweight division at present. My claim is that he would have a punchers chance against anyone, Im not claiming he would outbox anyone, his boxing skills are below average at best. His power is top notch and his heart is decent.

[polecateddy]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

Who did he KO or KD that convinced you of that? Tyson Fury who goes down against cruisers? Or Luis Ortiz who's 40 or older?

Are you claiming Wilder is not a big puncher? He is the biggest 'one blow merchant' in the heavyweight division at present. My claim is that he would have a punchers chance against anyone, Im not claiming he would outbox anyone, his boxing skills are below average at best. His power is top notch and his heart is decent.

Would he have a punchers chance with a young Oliver McCall or Ray Mercer. Nope! Lol I kind of wonder now he’s been found out and the confidence has gone, whether Wilder will ever win a fight again?

[Riddick Bowie]

Makes me laugh when these old fossils come crawling out of the dirt.

Athletes in every single sport get better with every generation. Fact.

Sprinters from the 60s, 70s and 80s get left in the dust today. Footballers from the past would struggle today.

Same is true of boxers. Its a fact.

So because someone runs a few seconds faster that means in boxing intangibles such as chins, punch resistance and willpower have improved? What PED does that? Your analogy doesn't work in a sport that more than any other is a test of character rather than who has the better conditioning coach or sporting science. They're not perfecting the art of running in a straight line, or banging a ball out of the park, there are a million permutations every second in a boxing contest.

Wilder has God awful technique, yet you can rewind a hundred years and see heavyweights with better technique. Joshua is the definitive modern giant super specimen and yet he fights in spurts and got banged around by a small, old timey type heavyweight who is a very rare example of one who looks like he could 15 at a pace.

[dookus]

Makes me laugh when these old fossils come crawling out of the dirt.

Athletes in every single sport get better with every generation. Fact.

Sprinters from the 60s, 70s and 80s get left in the dust today. Footballers from the past would struggle today.

Same is true of boxers. Its a fact.

So because someone runs a few seconds faster that means in boxing intangibles such as chins, punch resistance and willpower have improved? What PED does that? Your analogy doesn't work in a sport that more than any other is a test of character rather than who has the better conditioning coach or sporting science. They're not perfecting the art of running in a straight line, or banging a ball out of the park, there are a million permutations every second in a boxing contest.

Wilder has God awful technique, yet you can rewind a hundred years and see heavyweights with better technique. Joshua is the definitive modern giant super specimen and yet he fights in spurts and got banged around by a small, old timey type heavyweight who is a very rare example of one who looks like he could 15 at a pace.

[Autobarn]

Makes me laugh when these old fossils come crawling out of the dirt.

Athletes in every single sport get better with every generation. Fact.

Sprinters from the 60s, 70s and 80s get left in the dust today. Footballers from the past would struggle today.

Same is true of boxers. Its a fact.

Bruno would get eaten for dinner in this era. He couldn’t continually fight contenders & fringe contenders the way Whyte & Chisora have done.

I’ll give him this. He threw extremely forceful punches during the first half of a fight, and could dominate a lot of good fighters - a few rounds. But then he would tire, unravel, and I have little doubt get stopped during the second half. Probably on his feet, propped up by the ropes.

[Autobarn]

Who did he KO or KD that convinced you of that? Tyson Fury who goes down against cruisers? Or Luis Ortiz who's 40 or older?

Are you claiming Wilder is not a big puncher? He is the biggest 'one blow merchant' in the heavyweight division at present. My claim is that he would have a punchers chance against anyone, Im not claiming he would outbox anyone, his boxing skills are below average at best. His power is top notch and his heart is decent.

Would he have a punchers chance with a young Oliver McCall or Ray Mercer. Nope! Lol I kind of wonder now he’s been found out and the confidence has gone, whether Wilder will ever win a fight again?

Well you happen two have chosen the 2 hardest chins of the ‘90s.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Wilder has a right hand chance against any heavyweight of any era. As did Foreman and as did Shavers. Im not saying he could land it, but if he did it could potentially put anyone away.

HW boxing is probably the most unpredictable division,

Who did he KO or KD that convinced you of that? Tyson Fury who goes down against cruisers? Or Luis Ortiz who's 40 or older?

He KO'd every man he faced, which is frankly insane. AJ was shocked how quickly Wilder put Breazelle away

Haye sparred him and called him the heavyest hitting heavyweight of all time. He knows what he's talking about. It's not just the power though, it's the speed of that right hand

[GreenLightning]

bermane stiverne and dom breazeale are wilder's 2nd and 3rd best opponents beaten, he obviously had some great gifts but dude beat very little of quality

ppl called breazeale a soft first defense for 2.5 year pro aj, and aj of course won easily. then wilder beats the same guy after 11 years pro and it gets hyped and is one of his best wins lol

I think folks were hyped over Wilder's ko over Breazeale due to the utter shock of that super impactful one shot in the very first round.

And people forget that Breazeale ran onto that shot because he just hurt Wilder with his eyes closed