Right, your comprehension is visibly not on my level, but this is not my fault.granberry wrote:I have seen the film of the 7th round of Dempsey-Tunney II.pundit wrote:Same source as for Walcott-Marciano, kindergarden boy.granberry wrote: Punkit MAKES UP another "quote."
Show us where Dempsey said Tunney "wasn't badly hurt."
You can't.
That is my source.
You, punkit, are dependent on regurgitating the prattlings of those who comprehension of the subject is on a level with your own.
i didnt say he "did" knock him out. i said he "practically" knocked him out which is true.pundit wrote:Brockton, this pisses me off. You know better. We have discussed this often enough.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:tunney would not be able to deal with a prime dempsey. a far past his prime dempsey practically knocked tunney out.
Let's continue when your blood pressure is down a bit.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i didnt say he "did" knock him out. i said he "practically" knocked him out which is true.pundit wrote:Brockton, this pisses me off. You know better. We have discussed this often enough.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:tunney would not be able to deal with a prime dempsey. a far past his prime dempsey practically knocked tunney out.
enough with this gene tunney nonsense. u make fun of marciano for beating old men. tunney made a living out of beating washed up fighters like gibbons, carpentier, levinskey, dempsey or green fighters like loughran, risko. say all u want about harry greb, just remember tunney only went 2-2 with the MUCH lighter greb when both weighed in at 175lb or less.
u just have a bias agenda against dempsey and u are in love with wills and tunney.
btw, harry wills never blamed jack dempsey for not fighting him. he said it wasnt dempseys fault. HARRY WILLS SAID THIS HIMSELF.
Did you pick this up from the class bully in your kindergarden?granberry wrote:It would hard for ANYONE else's comprehension to fall to your level, punkitpundit wrote: Right, your comprehension is visibly not on my level, but this is not my fault.
since your level of comprehension when it comes to boxing is at zero (a cipher).
In the book "In This Corner" by Peter Heller, Dempsey said" I look back on the fight, he wasn't hurt too bad. Tunney would have got up"granberry wrote:Punkit MAKES UP another "quote."pundit wrote:
Dempsey himself - even though he dined out on the "long count" for year - admitted later that Tunney wasn't baldy hurt, and that he could have gotten up earlier if needed.
Show us where Dempsey said Tunney "wasn't badly hurt."
You can't.
yea and louis also said he would have never beaten marciano on his best day.On page 60, Dempsey also said "Tunney, I don't know if I could lick him even at my best".
I wasn't saying that Dempsey couldn't have beaten Tunney. I'm just pointing out what Dempsey said. It's obvious from this quote and from what else that he said about Tunney that he thought Tunney deserved respect as a great fighter; something that you don't seem to have figured out yet.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:yea and louis also said he would have never beaten marciano on his best day.On page 60, Dempsey also said "Tunney, I don't know if I could lick him even at my best".
1918-19 wild hungry animal jack dempsey licks tunney IMO. dempsey would have caught up to tunney, no doubt. he was just as fast as tunney at his best.
Yes you have proven that there was something called an Olypic Golden Gloves title in the 30's, although you admit you're not sure exatcly what that meant. And Decagon seems to have dropped out of the argument. You won one. Congratulations. Your life is complete. Now go back to the Jackson-Duran thread and explain how Duran had only one style in the ring -- a "bull rush" style -- whatever that means.barry wrote:Couldn't help but notice that Decagon yet again runs from a topic when factual evidence is brought forth to refute all the incorrect bullshit he tries to yap...
barry, as I mentioned you are incapable of understanding that boxers fight different styles, and that there are more than the two you seem to be capable of recognizing. To you a fighter is either a Pernell Whittaker defensive wiz or fights in a "bull rush style". You were the first to bring up the fact that Duran fights a "bull rush stle", so you need to explain what this means.barry wrote:John L...I asked you to give some examples of Duran the defensive-wizard as you see, or to explain to us what boxing is all about, which I noticed you were not able to do in the Duran thread...I didn't think you could...so what do you do...you talk about Chuck Wepner...LOL...very good move and can I emphasis the quality of dodging the issue? The way it works is this...you give some examples when asked and then I counter, but if you are unable to give any examples, like you demonstrated, then shut about it because the only other thing you are doing, or accomplishing is yapping incoherently about something that you very much seem to have no clue about!
You actually did state a thought. A really stupid thought.barry wrote:As I said...you make a point and answer the questions I asked and then I'll respond, but I'm not going to waste my time stating my thoughts if you are simply just going to ignore the questions that I asked first!
Is that your description of a "bull rush" style? Very simple with absolutely no defense? If so, I think Duran's style was a bit more sophisticated than that.barry wrote:John L---Blah...blah...blah! Whenever you start trying to make a debate that is not completely ignorant and childish, then I will respond, but as long as you continue to run from and ignore the questions I asked then all you are doing is yapping like an idiot!
Dempsey KO'd Brennan twice, in six rounds and then twelve rounds in the rematch. He was not in serious danger of losing. Willie Meehan was 2-1-2 against Dempsey in four-round fights, something Meehan was accustomed to. Had he fought Dempsey in a ten-rounder, I don't see Willie winning. Meehan also won a four-round decision over Sam Langford in 1919, but what does that mean? Not much.theone wrote:Tunney would have always been able to beat Dempsey. Dempsey was never that good against boxers. Brennan, who is nowhere near Tunneys level almost gave Dempsey more than he could handle. Fat Willie Mehan made Dempsey look foolish on several occasions.
Dempsey looked the most dominant against big luimbering fighters who might as well have been heavybags with gloves on, or against alot smaller opponents like Gibbons and Carpantier.
Most accounts of the 2nd Brennan fight is that Brennan was ahead in the scoring after ten and that Dempsey was wobbled in the second round.Dempsey KO'd Brennan twice, in six rounds and then twelve rounds in the rematch. He was not in serious danger of losing.
2-1-2 in fourt round fights says alot against Dempsey. Its says that for at least 16 rounds Meehan was competitive with the great Dempsey. I cant imagine a fighter of his quality being that competitive with any other all time great. Dempsey gets cut way too much slack for these losses.Willie Meehan was 2-1-2 against Dempsey in four-round fights, something Meehan was accustomed to. Had he fought Dempsey in a ten-rounder, I don't see Willie winning. Meehan also won a four-round decision over Sam Langford in 1919, but what does that mean? Not much.
When did I state this?Even if you think prime Tunney beats prime Dempsey, it is absurd to suggest that Tunney is leagues above Dempsey.
Dempsey droppped and stunned Tunney, that much was evident. Badly hurt? That is highly debatable. Tunney seemed able to rise early in the count and moved around with no ill effect the rest of the fight. If it were prime Dempsey it can be easily argued that Tunney would have been more careful and not have allowed Dempsey to land the combination that put him done in the first place. After 16 one sided rounds its not surprising that Tunney got careless.A creaky, post-prime Dempsey badly hurt Tunney in the return bout, something that leads to suggest that Dempsey was very capable of doing it in his prime also. Tunney would never have an easy time with a prime Jack Dempsey standing in front of him. History suggests he'd have his hands full, possibly even tackling more than he could handle.
