Footage of the tragic Carnera-Schaaf fight

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em2jjM0snqE

This is the fight that gave inspiration to "the harder they fall" (Max Baer plays himself in that movie).

First time I see a clip of the real event. I always thought Schaaf had fallen victim to a slow right by Carnera, but this isn't true at all - Carnera's best punch did the final damage, a fast and sharp jab straight to Schaaf's chin (his opponents tended to understimate the reach of that jab).

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:45

please buddy baer was much better than carnera. ur overating of carnera and baer is getting ridiculous.

no way carnera jab was powerful enough to knock someone out let alone kill them

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:49

hasn't it been somewhat established that Schaaf was hurt in another event and brought a bit of a handicap into this fight?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:49

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:please buddy baer was much better than carnera. ur overating of carnera and baer is getting ridiculous.

Did I write a word about whether Buddy or Carnera was better??

For once this thread has nothing to do with rating exercises.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:52

was that "buddy, baer" Or "Buddy Baer"?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:55

BoxBuzz wrote:hasn't it been somewhat established that Schaaf was hurt in another event and brought a bit of a handicap into this fight?

For a long time the legend was that the Max Baer fight 6 months earlier had done the true damage - not at least because the actor Max Baer says so himself in "the harder they fall". But I read an article recently that this is unlikley. Instead, in the autopsy it was diagnosed that Schaaf had flu and acute meningitis entering the Carnera fight. This plus the damage sustained from Carnera's fists led to the tragedy.

For me it's realy a tough one to watch how Schaaf tries to get up, can't, collapses, and is then carried out of the ring by Jack Sharkey. The audience booed because it thought Schaaf had taken a dive.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Jul 2006, 18:57

pundit wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:hasn't it been somewhat established that Schaaf was hurt in another event and brought a bit of a handicap into this fight?
For a long time the legend was that the Max Baer fight 6 months earlier had done the true damage - not at least because the actor Max Baer says so himself in "the harder they fall". But I read an article recently that this is unlikley. Instead, in the autopsy it was diagnosed that Schaaf had flu and acute meningitis entering the Carnera fight. This plus the damage sustained from Carnera's fists led to the tragedy.

For me it's realy a tough one to watch how Schaaf tries to get up, can't, collapses, and is then carried out of the ring by Jack Sharkey. The audience booed because it thought Schaaf had taken a dive.

Very tough, painful and heartbreaking to watch.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jul 2006, 19:00

BoxBuzz wrote:
pundit wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:hasn't it been somewhat established that Schaaf was hurt in another event and brought a bit of a handicap into this fight?
For a long time the legend was that the Max Baer fight 6 months earlier had done the true damage - not at least because the actor Max Baer says so himself in "the harder they fall". But I read an article recently that this is unlikley. Instead, in the autopsy it was diagnosed that Schaaf had flu and acute meningitis entering the Carnera fight. This plus the damage sustained from Carnera's fists led to the tragedy.

For me it's realy a tough one to watch how Schaaf tries to get up, can't, collapses, and is then carried out of the ring by Jack Sharkey. The audience booed because it thought Schaaf had taken a dive.
Very tough, painful and heartbreaking to watch.

The posterior story is quite something too. Carnera sent a huge decorated cross for Schaaf's funeral inscribed with "with deepest sympathy - Primo Carnera". Schaaf's grieving mother sent Carnera a letter that she didn't hold him responsible in any way for her son's death.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Jul 2006, 19:08

pundit wrote:www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em2jjM0snqE

. . .Carnera's best punch did the final damage

WRONG

Max Baer's punches in his fight with Schaaf fight did the damage.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 31 Jul 2006, 19:10

This plus the damage sustained from Carnera's fists led to the tragedy.

o come on, we all know it was the max baer fight that did it to schaaf. schaaf was a dead man walking after the max baer fight and didnt even know it. u expect us to believe a jab killed earnie schaaf? carnera was not even a hard puncher

Schaaf's grieving mother sent Carnera a letter that she didn't hold him responsible in any way for her son's death.

why do u think? cause she holds max baer responsible

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jul 2006, 19:16

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
This plus the damage sustained from Carnera's fists led to the tragedy.

o come on, we all know it was the max baer fight that did it to schaaf. schaaf was a dead man walking after the max baer fight and didnt even know it. u expect us to believe a jab killed earnie schaaf? carnera was not even a hard puncher

Here is the article.

http://www.ibroresearch.com/Articles/Ma ... Schaaf.htm

What you describe is what you saw in the movies [including the term "dead man walking" - this comes straight out of Max Baer's mouth. The actor Max Baer, that is]. Hence you confuse fact and fiction.

I hope you do not take your views on Maricano from Stallone's Rocky movies, too.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 31 Jul 2006, 19:35

everyone knows max baers beating to earnie schaaf months ago was the job that killed schaaf. carnera just put a lil icing on the cake to the already dead fighter

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 01 Aug 2006, 00:04

actually the Baer-Schaaf fight wasnt that brutal or one-sided at all. Schaaf entered the ring ill and if you see the complete unedited version of his fight with Carnera you will see that he gets his head snapped back violently all night by Carneras jab. It wasnt a single punch but an entire fight worth of hard jabs landing continuously from a man who was 6' 5" and weighed at least 250.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 01 Aug 2006, 02:41

Decagon wrote:
klompton wrote:actually the Baer-Schaaf fight wasnt that brutal or one-sided at all. Schaaf entered the ring ill and if you see the complete unedited version of his fight with Carnera you will see that he gets his head snapped back violently all night by Carneras jab. It wasnt a single punch but an entire fight worth of hard jabs landing continuously from a man who was 6' 5" and weighed at least 250.

Nice post, but couldn't you have called someone an ignorant redneck? It's strange to see a break from the usually juvenile nature of this forum.

Keep yer trap shut hippy and go molest a goat! Better?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 01 Aug 2006, 07:05

So we are moving toward concensus that Carnera's mighty jab did this?

Or the far more reasonable version that though Baer's beating may not have created the damage, certainly a case of meningitis created a scenario that the gentle flapping of butterfly wings or perhaps even Carnera's jab really did do the damage which sadly took Shaaf's life?

I know about meningitits and it's mortal dangers and if he was suffering from this and it is documented then I would say that is likely the case. He could have even dropped while walking his dog while experiencing both the flu and meningitis.

Is the autopsy info well documented?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Aug 2006, 09:05

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:everyone knows max baers beating to earnie schaaf months ago was the job that killed schaaf. carnera just put a lil icing on the cake to the already dead fighter

Everyone who saw "the harder they fall", took it as a one-to-one depiction of reality, and didn't bother checking the facts, that is.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Aug 2006, 09:07

Terence wrote:Flu and Meningitis would leave him with a high level of dehydration and this coupled with a persistent jab would be a disaster. The jab would be rocking his head back all night and do more damage than a few power shots or hooks.

A mixture of dehydration and jabbing would do the trick.

This was pretty much the result of the autopsy.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Aug 2006, 09:16

BoxBuzz wrote:So we are moving toward concensus that Carnera's mighty jab did this?

Or the far more reasonable version that though Baer's beating may not have created the damage, certainly a case of meningitis created a scenario that the gentle flapping of butterfly wings or perhaps even Carnera's jab really did do the damage which sadly took Shaaf's life?

I know about meningitits and it's mortal dangers and if he was suffering from this and it is documented then I would say that is likely the case. He could have even dropped while walking his dog while experiencing both the flu and meningitis.

Is the autopsy info well documented?

A report on the autopsy (I believe from the NYT) is attached to the article that I linked up above.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 01 Aug 2006, 20:15

We will never know for sure why Schaaf died. It could have been from the Carnera fight, but who knows? I'm a little skeptical that the major damage was from the Baer fight because Schaaf had 3 fights between the Baer and Carnera fights. If it was from the Baer fight, you would think that Schaaf would have died during one of the 3 fights before he fought Carnera, but who knows?
It could have come from one of the 3 fights btween the Carnera and Baer fights, or maybe something that had nothing to do with boxing.
Maybe it was even from a fight previous to the Baer fight, though that seems unlikely.

The bigger question to me is where Schaaf's career would have gone if it wasn't for this tragedy. It's entirely possible that he could have won the heavyweight championship.

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 02 Aug 2006, 21:35

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:please buddy baer was much better than carnera. ur overating of carnera and baer is getting ridiculous.

no way carnera jab was powerful enough to knock someone out let alone kill them

Primo beat better fighters, so I think he was better than Buddy.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 02 Aug 2006, 22:03

Iono how to really look at it. Schaaf fought another time after he fought Max Baer, and he wasn't injured or anything in that fight, and then he faced Carnera and then died. I would say Carnera was a strong man, but as far as a hard puncher, iono how to really judge him as.

He did have alot of KO's, but one must wonder, was all those fights legit? and, was it because Carnera wrestled and leaned his 275 pounds on his opponents for several rounds, leaving them exhausted? In short, I would class Primo Carnera in with John Ruiz, because they both fought the same way---except Carnera was a giant and boxed some.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Aug 2006, 22:15

o yuaaaa im at my gfirls house hell ya. yall havinm as good a time as me?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 02 Aug 2006, 22:23

Brockton....

I hope u dont start posting crazy threads again, and given theories.......WAIT......

ur at ur woman's house and come on HERE?.....

BOY get back and get u some puss-puss

LMFAO

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 02 Aug 2006, 22:35

Testing.

Footage of the tragic Carnera-Schaaf fight

Footage of the tragic Carnera-Schaaf fight

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