Tyson Fury vs. Dillian Whyte | BT PPV - 23 April 2022

[Twinkle Toes]

Been saying for some time that Whyte was happy to headline PPV cards and complain about never getting his title shot. I never had much sympathy for him. He was milking it.

He has his shot now and is demanding a higher split. I think is speaks volumes. I'm all for fighters getting paid well. but at some point you've gotta step up for your shot.

It was only a couple of fights ago he got starched by Povetkin - I think he's quite fortunate to be back at this position so quickly with a title shot literally there for the taking.

I reckon a deal will be done.

[mickey1975]

What would Eddie be saying if Fwank had paid a declared £300k on a ppv show? He loves going on about Companies House anyway.

[597118]

You have to wonder what options are open to Whyte if he turns down his shot.

Fury will take an interim fight, then (assuming he's victorious) wait for the Usyk v AJ winner, all of the titles are going to be tied up for a couple of years (unless Whyte wants to target Trevor Bryan as he once said)

[maverick23]

This £300k thing is misleading. What was on a much lower amount than normal because he was the challenger so to speak.

In days of old, it was 75/25, but the WBC are a bunch of absolute turnips and have to get involved instead of just having a one rule policy. Whyte and his team have seen an WBC Interim get 45%, so that's what they think they can get. This is millions and millions of pounds and you can't blame either side for wanting a bigger piece of the pie. Every fight could be your last, so you have to maximize your earnings. Both fighters want the fight, the WBC are to blame.

The £300k is the base purse he would have had in his contract whilst he would have also received PPV upside which would have taken him into the millions.

Either way Tyson will have earned far far more than Dillian in the last few fights.

The WBC are fully to blame for this mess.

They have a rule set and don’t follow it. Anything that’s open to interpretation will cause problems.

Bob Arum is playing hardball, he doesn't want Fury-Helenius. Who would actually pay to go and see Fury fight a guy that Whyte dominated? Except Mickey of course. That fight would not sell out a stadium in the UK and I doubt it generates the kind of revenue that you would need to pay Fury what he got for the Wilder fight. I have my doubts that Fury would even sign off on a fight with Helenius.

I wouldn’t pay to watch Fury/Helenius live in the U.K. I’m not too fussed by it as I think it’s an easy win for Fury.

That’s not to say it wouldn’t sell loads of tickets though. Could do 40,000/50,000. Who knows. Tyson’s a much bigger name now than he was but there’s little evidence to say he’s at AJ levels.

I’d be on the fence re: PPV. It would need a good undercard to spend the £25.

[maverick23]

What would Eddie be saying if Fwank had paid a declared £300k on a ppv show? He loves going on about Companies House anyway.

He’d be saying the same stuff Frank is. Doesn’t mean it’s what actually has been paid though.

It doesn’t really matter anyway for me. Whether it’s £300k or £3m - the point is still the same.

You’re not going to find out any of that stuff on co house. Just see the amount of companies that have gone into liquidation with Frank.

[mickey1975]

What would Eddie be saying if Fwank had paid a declared £300k on a ppv show? He loves going on about Companies House anyway.

He’d be saying the same stuff Frank is. Doesn’t mean it’s what actually has been paid though.

It doesn’t really matter anyway for me. Whether it’s £300k or £3m - the point is still the same.

You’re not going to find out any of that stuff on co house. Just see the amount of companies that have gone into liquidation with Frank.

I know. But I'm just saying he'd be bringing it up in every interview.

[595179]

The £300k is the base purse he would have had in his contract whilst he would have also received PPV upside which would have taken him into the millions.

Either way Tyson will have earned far far more than Dillian in the last few fights.

The WBC are fully to blame for this mess.

They have a rule set and don’t follow it. Anything that’s open to interpretation will cause problems.

Bob Arum is playing hardball, he doesn't want Fury-Helenius. Who would actually pay to go and see Fury fight a guy that Whyte dominated? Except Mickey of course. That fight would not sell out a stadium in the UK and I doubt it generates the kind of revenue that you would need to pay Fury what he got for the Wilder fight. I have my doubts that Fury would even sign off on a fight with Helenius.

I wouldn’t pay to watch Fury/Helenius live in the U.K. I’m not too fussed by it as I think it’s an easy win for Fury.

That’s not to say it wouldn’t sell loads of tickets though. Could do 40,000/50,000. Who knows. Tyson’s a much bigger name now than he was but there’s little evidence to say he’s at AJ levels.

I’d be on the fence re: PPV. It would need a good undercard to spend the £25.

If it's a UK fight on UK time, then the US PPV numbers would take a big hit. I agree that Fury's stock has risen and he would attract more than he did before, but I just don't see it as a stadium fight. Fury is polarizing and has fans, but isn't anywhere near the draw that AJ is. I've been to a couple of AJ stadium fights and the crowd has a different demographic to pretty much all the other fights I've been to and I've been to an awful lot. AJ attracts families to his fights and a much higher ethnic mix than I've seen elsewhere. Fury just doesn't do that IMO.

Like I said, I just don't see Fury accepting that fight. How cold he possibly get motivated to fight someone who got knocked by Gerald Washington?

[595179]

Whyte is literally unknown outside of England. Fury is massive worldwide.

Do you think his Fury-Helenius sells as many tickets in Cardiff as AJ-Takam?

[dan28uk]

it would be just fair to pay him what percentage fury got for the first wilder fight anyone know that ? was it 30%

Why? Tyson was on a lot more than 300k. That's all Whyte is on, apparently. And Fury was a voluntary, no splits.

i don’t actually believe the figures been suggested that whyte got paid that amount if he did why would he turn down 5 million i promise you now whytes not scared to fight

[stujones]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

[597118]

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yes, we get to see Warrington get a completely undeserved title shot instead.

[stujones]

Whyte is literally unknown outside of England. Fury is massive worldwide.

Do you think his Fury-Helenius sells as many tickets in Cardiff as AJ-Takam?

Cant see that happening being honest, there is no way Whyte/Hearn will risk Fury getting caught. Whyte vs Helinus 2 isn't so appealing. Watch there be a court case if Fury fight anyone other than Whyte next

[stujones]

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yes, we get to see Warrington get a completely undeserved title shot instead.

That's as maybe, but at least there are 2 fighters getting a pay day and the Ibf title is being active

[maverick23]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Kiko/Galahad did have a rematch clause.

Clearly Kid didn’t want the rematch/couldn’t make 126 again so Matchroom utilised their option for the Warrington fight.

[magnus]

17 pages...

It’s what we follow the sport for. I’m sure this will rank highly in Boxing News’s “top 10 torturously dragged out purse bid and fight negotiation sagas of 2022”.

[DrDuke]

17 pages...

It’s what we follow the sport for. I’m sure this will rank highly in Boxing News’s “top 10 torturously dragged out purse bid and fight negotiation sagas of 2022”.

Yeah, with the progress of mass media and the sphere of communication, it's possible to follow negotiations of fights. While with the regress of boxing politics during the same time there are more of negotiations than actual fights. And this still provokes interest. What mad world we live in.

[gregregegg]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yea i dont know how you can have rematch clauses without any details or constraints (or crazy broard ones), its like a blank check. The only rematch clause where iv known the deadline is Fury wilder where they had 1 year to make the fight, a crazy amount of time. If rematch clauses exist, which they shouldent details should at least be in them, eg: venue, TV, Date option 1, date option 2, splits..

when looking through the rules to try figure out this whyte fury shit show it was nice to see that WBC does not allow rematches unless WBC deems it a robbery, controversy, or an extrodianary fight, Probably why nearly non of eddies fighters align with the WBC.

[maverick23]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yea i dont know how you can have rematch clauses without any details or constraints (or crazy broard ones), its like a blank check. The only rematch clause where iv known the deadline is Fury wilder where they had 1 year to make the fight, a crazy amount of time. If rematch clauses exist, which they shouldent details should at least be in them, eg: venue, TV, Date option 1, date option 2, splits..

when looking through the rules to try figure out this whyte fury shit show it was nice to see that WBC does not allow rematches unless WBC deems it a robbery, controversy, or an extrodianary fight, Probably why nearly non of eddies fighters align with the WBC.

What about Wilder/Fury 3? Was Wilder/Fury 2 a robbery/controversial/extraordinary? It was a one-sided beatdown that happened 21 months or so after the original under the WBC.

The rules in the WBC don’t mean much when they consistently don’t follow them.

[jameswilson]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yea i dont know how you can have rematch clauses without any details or constraints (or crazy broard ones), its like a blank check. The only rematch clause where iv known the deadline is Fury wilder where they had 1 year to make the fight, a crazy amount of time. If rematch clauses exist, which they shouldent details should at least be in them, eg: venue, TV, Date option 1, date option 2, splits..

when looking through the rules to try figure out this whyte fury shit show it was nice to see that WBC does not allow rematches unless WBC deems it a robbery, controversy, or an extrodianary fight, Probably why nearly non of eddies fighters align with the WBC.

I expect those details you mention are in the rematch clauses that Matchroom negotiate, especially for the top earners like AJ. It’s just that as you say the time limit on the rematches are ridiculously long but you mention the Fury v Wilder rematch being so long it can hardly be said Matchroom are the only ones to be that stingy. Absolutely guarantee it that Mayweather, Canelo and the previous biggest earners like De La Hoya, Trinidad, Tyson and so on would have had the same kind of deals that seem not fair to us.

Also if it’s a voluntary defence or a mandatory defence that doesn’t go to purse bids (where a standard contract is adopted) you can be sure rematch clauses will be there in WBC title fights provided the champion is a big A side.

[stujones]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yea i dont know how you can have rematch clauses without any details or constraints (or crazy broard ones), its like a blank check. The only rematch clause where iv known the deadline is Fury wilder where they had 1 year to make the fight, a crazy amount of time. If rematch clauses exist, which they shouldent details should at least be in them, eg: venue, TV, Date option 1, date option 2, splits..

when looking through the rules to try figure out this whyte fury shit show it was nice to see that WBC does not allow rematches unless WBC deems it a robbery, controversy, or an extrodianary fight, Probably why nearly non of eddies fighters align with the WBC.

What about Wilder/Fury 3? Was Wilder/Fury 2 a robbery/controversial/extraordinary? It was a one-sided beatdown that happened 21 months or so after the original under the WBC.

The rules in the WBC don’t mean much when they consistently don’t follow them.

My feeling was that Wilder vs Fury 3 was a rematch clause between the fighters and not the sanctioning body. Which is why the WBC didnt step in when it came to the Fury / AJ negotiations.

It was just the WBC didnt call for Whyte before hand. Had the WBC called it then I'm sure Fury would have been stripped and the Wilder fight would have still been forced for the lineal and Ring belts.

Ruiz vs AJ 2 Eddie said that Ruiz was under a legal obligation to fight AJ next, but the governing bodies didnt say that. Eddie was adamant that Ruiz had 2 choices....Rematch or retire (and I'm sure there would have been something happen had he done the latter).

[stujones]

Eddie and his rematch clauses and appeals etc its slowing the sport down. Look at Usyk, has to freaking wait for AJ to find a trainer and TV deal before he can fight.

Clearly Kiko vs Galahad had no rematch clause and look at that situation moving on, so much healthier

Yea i dont know how you can have rematch clauses without any details or constraints (or crazy broard ones), its like a blank check. The only rematch clause where iv known the deadline is Fury wilder where they had 1 year to make the fight, a crazy amount of time. If rematch clauses exist, which they shouldent details should at least be in them, eg: venue, TV, Date option 1, date option 2, splits..

when looking through the rules to try figure out this whyte fury shit show it was nice to see that WBC does not allow rematches unless WBC deems it a robbery, controversy, or an extrodianary fight, Probably why nearly non of eddies fighters align with the WBC.

I expect those details you mention are in the rematch clauses that Matchroom negotiate, especially for the top earners like AJ. It’s just that as you say the time limit on the rematches are ridiculously long but you mention the Fury v Wilder rematch being so long it can hardly be said Matchroom are the only ones to be that stingy. Absolutely guarantee it that Mayweather, Canelo and the previous biggest earners like De La Hoya, Trinidad, Tyson and so on would have had the same kind of deals that seem not fair to us.

Also if it’s a voluntary defence or a mandatory defence that doesn’t go to purse bids (where a standard contract is adopted) you can be sure rematch clauses will be there in WBC title fights provided the champion is a big A side.

Not sure DLH did as I'm sure he would have executed vs Trinidad. Likewise Trinidad vs Hopkins or DLH vs Mayweather (Dlh was the champion and the a side there).

Not even Mayweather vs Pacquaio the biggest fight in history was a 2 fight deal, both continued and fought a much lesser guy and money next

[Ruthless-RKO]

Purse bids delayed a week

[stujones]

Klitschko had (and exercised) a rematch clause vs Fury but Fury was still stripped of the Ibf title which shows that sanctioning bodies arent necessarily in the negotiation in the rematch clause always

[gregregegg]

Purse bids delayed a week

fornicate delays suck, just call bids.

[Nightmare Roy]

really hope this fight happens, can you imagine the press conference's!