Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[MasterG]

I don't see the issue.

Fury fights Wilder as planned then faces Joshua 8 weeks afterwards if no serious injury.

Isn't this how boxers fought in the 70s and 90s

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Arum: Hearn Should Look In Mirror; He Screwed Everything Up With Fury-Joshua Deal

Bob Arum resents Eddie Hearn’s contention that Arum misled him regarding the arbitration case that prevented Tyson Fury from fighting Anthony Joshua this summer in Saudi Arabia.

Hearn has claimed that Arum knew judge Daniel Weinstein would rule that Fury must fight Deontay Wilder next, yet the 89-year-old promoter proceeded with negotiations for a much more lucrative heavyweight title unification bout between Joshua and Fury. Joshua’s promoter has told numerous media outlets, including BS.com, that he wonders whether Fury’s handlers ever truly wanted the Joshua fight.

Arum’s Top Rank Inc. co-promotes Fury, along with allegedly’s Queensberry Promotions. Hearn and Arum are open to revisiting Fury-Joshua negotiations for an undetermined December date if they win their upcoming bouts, but Arum dismissed Hearn’s conspiracy theory during an interview with a group of reporters recently.

“Eddie Hearn has diarrhea of the mouth,” Arum said. “He can’t stop talking and he doesn’t think. Because in the contract, which Joshua signed and Fury signed, we specifically had a section talking about the arbitration and talking about the possibility that the arbitrator would order [Fury] to fight [Wilder next]. So, everybody knew about that. Now, people said, ‘Oh, the papers are clear. The arbitrator will never rule that way.’ But it’s not a secret that it was in arbitration and that this was a possibility.”

Weinstein ruled May 17 that Fury must honor his two-fight contract with Wilder from 2019 and grant the former WBC champion a rematch next. Wilder (42-1-1, 41 KOs), of Tuscaloosa, Alabama, will attempt to avenge his seventh-round, technical-knockout defeat 15 months ago when he squares off against England’s Fury (30-0-1, 21 KOs) in their third fight July 24 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Instead of facing Fury, England’s Joshua (24-1, 22 KOs) is expected to make a mandatory defense of his WBO belt versus Ukraine’s Oleksandr Usyk (18-0, 13 KOs) on September 25 at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London.

Arum claims that if Hearn didn’t get “greedy” by trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of Saudi investors, that Fury and Joshua would still be on a collision course to fight August 14.

“Now, Eddie Hearn was the guy who screwed everything up,” Arum said. “And the reason he screwed it up was the Saudis were happy to pay a tremendous amount as a site fee. Eddie got greedy and said, ‘Pay a bigger amount and take all the television and everything.’ And all the promoters, allegedly, ourselves, had deals [with television networks]. It became so complicated that it dragged on for weeks.

“I truly believe that if it had just been a site fee, we would’ve signed it, we would’ve announced the fight, and the arbitrator, if he felt the way he did, would’ve given what’s his name, Wilder, some damages, but wouldn’t have adjourned the fight. But again, that’s all in retrospect. But Eddie should shut up and stop blaming other people. Instead, he would be well-advised to shut his mouth and look in the mirror.”

[DrDuke]

They just shouldn't have been in a hurry with the announcements, while the Wilder case was in the process.

[maverick23]

They just shouldn't have been in a hurry with the announcements, while the Wilder case was in the process.

It’s not like there were any big formal announcements. Eddie’s a whore for cameras and publicity and answered questions. Bob was also giving updates for the same reason.

Bob also said several times that the arbitration wouldn’t be an issue. Yet it was so he should take some responsibility rather than trying to pass the buck.

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Hearn fired back..

"This is a guy, he is unquestionably the greediest man I have ever met in my life, Bob Arum. But it's all very strange, just to put it into perspective; we asked for a deal from Saudi, with the approval of all the parties of what they wanted," Hearn told IFL TV.

"Are you happy to accept this number? 'Yes, go and ask them for that Eddie'. I went and asked them for that, they said yes. There was no going back for more money or give them TV, it was all agreed between the parties. He is talking absolute sh!t.

"In fact, he needs to go. What was it Naz said? You just need to go, just finish, just finish."

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He just keeps coming back.

[DrDuke]

He just keeps coming back.

Watched 2 mins of that then turned it off when Bellew said Joshua was the best heavyweight of the last 20 years.

I knew, that bellend would say something like that, so I didn't even watched it.

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Bellend said: “AJ is the best athletic heavyweight I’ve seen in the last two decades. As an athlete, he’s unbelievable. He’s an unbelievable specimen, he really is. The power he can move at, the speed he can move at, the dexterity.

“He’s on another level to everybody else. He’s just got to keep improving on that boxing IQ, which he is. He showed that against Andy Ruiz Jr in the rematch.

“I know exactly how good Usyk is - he’s an amazing talent, and the best fighter I ever fought. But I don’t believe he’s dangerous enough to cause AJ problems.

“He’s big enough to cause him problems, but I don’t think he’d last long enough to defeat him. He will cause problems while he’s standing and AJ is going to have to get rid of him. He’ll put the pressure on, and make him pay for every single thing he earns in there.

"He’ll have to show different things that he hasn’t done in his career so far, but then again, he’s always improving, always getting better and it’s just fantastic to see.”

[garethhop]

Eddie Hearn rowing with a pot smoking 89 year old Bob who gives zero shites. Lovely to see it.

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Arum Says Fury-Joshua Could Possibly Land in UK - Provided Both Win

Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, who co-promotes WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, believes a potential unification with IBF, WBA, WBO, IBO champion Anthony Joshua could actually happen in the UK.

The fight was in play to take place on August 14th in Saudi Arabia - but then an arbitrator ordered Fury to honor a rematch clause due to Deontay Wilder.

Fury will face Wilder for a third time on July 24th at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

And Joshua will defend his titles against mandatory challenger Oleksandr Usyk on the likely date of September 25th.

Arum does not expect any issues in getting the unification back on track - provided both champions win their upcoming fights.

"There were no break downs between the Fury side and the Joshua side. None. The fight couldn't be finalized for Saudi Arabia and then the arbitrator in the Wilder situation felt that he could, if he decided the case for Wilder, enjoin Fury from fighting anybody else other than Wilder," Arum said to Sky Sports.

"But if the contract had been signed, he never would have done it. He might have given Wilder some damages, but he would not have stopped the fight. But again, there was no signed contract for that fight. That's what happened. It's as plain and as simple as that."

And if the fight gets back on track, depending on the COVID restrictions during that time period, the event could possible land in a UK stadium.

"Next time around, if it's Joshua and Tyson Fury, first of all, where should the fight be held? There's a big argument that by that time, the pandemic is behind us, we wait until the spring and we do it in Wembley, or one of the big arenas," Arum said.

"If we wanted to do it in winter, we can do it in Cardiff [Principality Stadium], because 70,000 seats, indoor arena, or it can go to Saudi Arabia."

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"I think that was pretty much the case anyway. But fighting September 25, it's very difficult to do a fight in December. And a lot of our conversations now about the undisputed fight are end of January, February," Hearn told IFL TV.

"So it probably helps [that Fury-Wilder was postponed]. Fury might've wanted to do another fight in November or December. And then the whole thing is, like, never-ending.

"I don't even know if [Fury-Wilder will] happen in October, to be honest with you. Who knows? But at least if this fight does happen and AJ beats Usyk successfully, then we've bought fought around the same time and then we can try and make the undisputed fight."

[keirw]

So was the fight signed or not?
One minute Bob says it was signed, the next he says it wasn't.

I seem to remember everyone saying the fight was signed a couple days before the arbitration was concluded.

Not sure how Arum and Warren can blame Hearn for this mess and keep straight faces.

Whether you like Hearn or not, it is clear as day that he and his people did pretty much everything while Bob and Frank just sat there slagging him off at every opportunity.

[Counter-puncher]

It’s like politics. They’re all a bunch of bulldh1t merchants

[maverick23]

So was the fight signed or not?
One minute Bob says it was signed, the next he says it wasn't.

I seem to remember everyone saying the fight was signed a couple days before the arbitration was concluded.

Not sure how Arum and Warren can blame Hearn for this mess and keep straight faces.

Whether you like Hearn or not, it is clear as day that he and his people did pretty much everything while Bob and Frank just sat there slagging him off at every opportunity.

Tyson himself came out and said it was on.

Bob came out several times and said the arbitration wasn’t an issue.

He came out a while back and said Tyson had received both jabs which is being reported differently now.

Same guy who said ‘yesterday I was lying…..today I’m telling the truth’. I think he was joking when he originally said that but he talks a a lot waffle.

The whole Fury set up at the moment doesn’t seem right. A US promoter who contradicts himself and talks rubbish, a U.K. promoter who doesn’t promote and 2 weeks before his fight still hadn’t realised U.K. TV details, his dad who generally talks sense going against the grain, Tyson seemingly not training too much (as of a month or so back) and having his family out in the US with him, a camp that’s been ravaged by Covid. Surely when there’s 10s of millions up for grabs you make sure people take this thing seriously and you’re only allowed into camp after a negative test?! And everyone in the camp should be double jabbed to reduce the chance of contracting.

Just seems to be a big mess at the moment.

[Coco]

Guessing now, ultimately Fury has already earned more than enough so the cash isn't so important.

He won't take less for fights out of principle and stubbornness and would be happy to walk away from the fight than be the B Side.

I don't think he ever intended to fight Wilder on the due date, just to let him do half a training camp and to play with his mind, also it keeps AJ waiting too, demonstrating that Fury is the boss.

[DrDuke]

F*cking covid slapped the sports badly. If not that sh!t, the Fury-Wilder rematch and the Jushua-Pulev bout could have taken place in the mid 2020. Later in 2020 or in the early 2021 there could have been the Fury-Joshua fight. But what do we have now? Early 2022? And obviously it can't be for sure. Frustrating...

[tony1234]

TBH I can't see Fury v Joshua happening now , Fury will need a decent tune up as it's nearly 18 months since his last fight and that's saying Joshua wins his next fight too

[handsofstone]

Charles Martin has more World title defenses than Fury, his careers a mess and i get more and more disinterested by the day, him and Wilder would have a real live chance to knock out Joshua but refused so i guess we'll never know anytime soon

[emallini]

So more months of talk and gossip but no fights. Great.

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Anthony Joshua on Tyson Fury: We'll Fight, 100%, I'll Smoke That Guy!

With or without the titles at stake, Anthony Joshua explains that he would be more than willing to fight his domestic rival, Tyson Fury.

The two boxers were close to a deal to face each other on a date in August in Saudi Arabia. The fight fell apart when an arbitrator ordered Fury to honor a rematch clause due to Deontay Wilder.

Fury will now defend his WBC title against Deontay Wilder on October 9th at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

And Joshua will defend the IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO titles against mandatory challenger Oleksandr Usyk on September 25 at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

Joshua rejected the constant chatter from Fury, who claims the Olympic gold medal winner is ducking their fight

"He's a fighter isn't he. What's the worst that can happen? You get hit. He's been doing it for years [telling people I won't fight him], however, I just know on my end, and my management team and my promoter - we done everything we can to make this happen and as long as I'm champion, I'll compete with anyone. I've got a tough challenger coming up now. A great fighter," Joshua told Gary Neville's The Overlap.

"Without the belts? I rate that. That's what I'm talking about. We'll fight, 100 percent, let's do it. I'll smoke that guy. I will. It's annoying. For me, I don't really get into the Twitter back and forth, because it's Twitter fingers. Anyone can sit behind a computer and talk. Let's be real, let's be honest. Let's let the people know. You're the one that let the fans down, because everyone seems to think…

"I fought on December 12th. When they were like, 'Who do you want to fight next?' I said I don't want to call out any names, and I know because I'm going to start shouting out people's names and I'm going to be in this position now where the guys' name I'm shouting out doesn't want to fight or he's not ready to fight."

[Coco]

I don't see the issue.

Fury fights Wilder as planned then faces Joshua 8 weeks afterwards if no serious injury.

Isn't this how boxers fought in the 70s and 90s

If only! Or give them 10 weeks! If they really wanted it they would. (I am including the promoters etc in that they)

[HomicideHenry]

I hope it does happen in Great Britain. When the two best heavyweights in the world are from the British isles it is an absolute tragedy to hold it anywhere else but there.

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Top Rank Prez: I Think Fury and Joshua Will Fight at Least Once - People Want To See It

Top Rank president Todd DuBoef, who co-promotes WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, expects his boxer to face Anthony Joshua at some point in the future.

At the moment Fury's handlers are in talks for a mandatory defense against Dillian Whyte in early 2022.

And Joshua will attempt to reclaim the WBO, IBF, WBA, IBO world titles from Oleksandr Usyk, also in the early part of next year. Back in September, Usyk outboxed Joshua over twelve rounds to capture the unified crown.

If all goes well, Fury will retain his title and then face the victor of Usyk-Joshua in the summer.

Win or lose against Usyk, DuBoef believes the public will still be very interested in a potential fight between Joshua and Fury.

"I would love to see Fury against Joshua, Usyk and Whyte," said DuBoef to Sky Sports.

"It's about what the people want to see. Regardless of the order - Fury vs Joshua is what the people want to see. Regardless of one guy getting out-boxed one night, it doesn't matter because they each have great fanbases and personalities.

"We, as people involved, owe the people to serve what they want. I think Fury and Joshua will fight at least once, because the people want it. If Joshua and Usyk do the rematch and Usyk looks sensational again, then maybe the public will say, 'We want Fury vs Usyk'. Joshua says he had an off-night. He has to establish his dominance, like he did against Andy Ruiz Jr.

"Joshua has to take his career to that elevated state again by erasing his off-night. That is important. He is a great ambassador for the sport and a great champion. The more successful he and Fury are, the more successful boxing is. The dynamic nature of uncertainty creates real interest. Tyson is in a wonderful position. He came in as an opponent for Deontay Wilder who was down and out. His personality has taken over the world."

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Fury Denigrates Joshua, Flings Steroid Accusation At Usyk: 'You Useless Dossers!'

“You know what I can’t believe? That ‘AJ’ has gone and given Ukraine all the heavyweight belts back after all my hard work in [retrieving] them,” Fury said in a video posted on his Instagram story. “You big useless dosser!”

Fury (31-0-1, 22 KOs) wasn’t finished. The Manchester native also took a shot at Usyk, a former unified cruiserweight champion, albeit in indirect fashion. Fury referred to Usyk as a “steroid man,” perhaps in reaction to the fact that Usyk is not a career heavyweight.

“You’ve let a little steroid man come up from middleweight and sit above you and take all your belts,” Fury said. “It will take a real British Lancaster bomber like me to go and relieve the useless little…get the belts and get them back to Britain.”

Usyk, to be sure, has never tested positive for a steroid or a banned substance in the professional ranks. Fury, on the other hand, tested positive – along with cousin Hughie Fury – for nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in 2015 right after defeating Christian Hammer. UKAD, the body that administers drug testing in boxing in the UK, did not charge Fury until June 2016. In 2017, the parties agreed on a backdated two-year ban, which allowed Fury, whose life at that point had spiraled out of control during that period with excessive weight gain, drug use, and mental health issues, to return to the ring in 2018. Fury has denied he has ever taken a banned substance and has maintained that the positive finding was a result of eating uncastrated wild boar.

Joshua (24-2, 22 KOs) and Usyk (19-0, 13 KOs) are scheduled to face each other in a rematch sometime in the spring, perhaps in April; a specific date and location as of this time have not been decided.

As for Fury, he is also expected to make a return to the ring this spring, but it is not clear whom he will face. Countryman Dillian Whyte is his WBC mandatory but Whyte’s litigation with the sanctioning body and his reported excessive purse demands may make that bout an impossibility.