Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank

[margaret thatcher]

arum loves the cash like any promoter, id expect him to go hard on any colour guy he thinks he can get it from. havent seen the legal complaint so not sure how much is crawford's percieved racial stuff vs specifics of actually breaking contacts etc

[ironbeard]

Terence Crawford is going to end up spending all the proceeds of his purse for the Porter bout paying legal fees for a lawsuit that will inevitably fail.

Instead, he should be focussed on his career, negotiating new deals with a new promoter and network.

No he isn’t. The legal work is likely on a contingency fee basis, and the lawsuit itself is a marketing tactic.

[margaret thatcher]

my man liked bobby enough to resign with him too after a long stretch didnt he

[maverick23]

arum loves the cash like any promoter, id expect him to go hard on any colour guy he thinks he can get it from. havent seen the legal complaint so not sure how much is crawford's percieved racial stuff vs specifics of actually breaking contacts etc

There’s very little in there re: specifics of it being based on his race.

He may have a case with his contractual claims but who knows.

[Enlightened-One]

Terence Crawford is going to end up spending all the proceeds of his purse for the Porter bout paying legal fees for a lawsuit that will inevitably fail.

Instead, he should be focussed on his career, negotiating new deals with a new promoter and network.

No he isn’t. The legal work is likely on a contingency fee basis, and the lawsuit itself is a marketing tactic.

So you think it's a threat rather than an actual lawsuit?

Who knows? You could very well be right.

But if Crawford is adamant about filing his $10m lawsuit against Bob Arum, then it'll cost him a fortune. Top Rank won't settle out-of-court, because it'll imply they're a racist organisation.

Either way, I don't think race has any bearing on how Bob Arum promoted him.

Promoters are greedy and only really care about money.

If they can earn a buck from promoting a fighter with blue skin and orange hair, then they'll squeeze that sponge dry, by trying to earn as much money as they possibly can from their guy, regardless their personal bias.

Put it this way, if Top Rank was so racist, then why did he stay with them for ten years, requiring him to sign three contracts with them (two of which were extensions on existing deals)?

Crawford might have a case about certain technicalities about his contract with Top Rank, but he’ll be unable to prove racial bias.

[ironbeard]

Terence Crawford is going to end up spending all the proceeds of his purse for the Porter bout paying legal fees for a lawsuit that will inevitably fail.

Instead, he should be focussed on his career, negotiating new deals with a new promoter and network.

No he isn’t. The legal work is likely on a contingency fee basis, and the lawsuit itself is a marketing tactic.

So you think it's a threat rather than an actual lawsuit?

Who knows? You could very well be right.

But if Crawford is adamant about filing his $10m lawsuit against Bob Arum, then it'll cost him a fortune. Top Rank won't settle out-of-court, because it'll imply they're a racist organisation.

Either way, I don't think race has any bearing on how Bob Arum promoted him.

Promoters are greedy and only really care about money.

If they can earn a buck from promoting a fighter with blue skin and orange hair, then they'll squeeze that sponge dry, by trying to earn as much money as they possibly can from their guy, regardless their personal bias.

Put it this way, if Top Rank was so racist, then why did he stay with them for ten years, requiring him to sign three contracts with them (two of which were extensions on existing deals)?

Crawford might have a case about certain technicalities about his contract with Top Rank, but he’ll be unable to prove racial bias.

I disagree with pretty much every word of your typically verbose response.

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Freedman & Taitelman LLP. do not threaten people on contingency fee contracts. They execute lawsuits that they believe they will win on enough of a level to profit above and beyond their expenses.

Promoters are not just greedy, they often have out of control egos. Arum is 90 years old. He stopped doing this exclusively for the money long ago.

Not only did Arum fail to adequately live up to his contractual responsibilities in this case, he proactively denigrated TCraw in what I believe can be demonstrated to have damaged the boxer’s market value and his reputation.

The publicity inherent with the lawsuit raises TCraw’s notoriety and creates a fanbase and a haterbase, along the lines of what FMJ expertly engineered.

Dropping FMJ’s name related to this lawsuit also suggests that TCraw may be headed toward Mayweather Promotions.

[Enlightened-One]

No he isn’t. The legal work is likely on a contingency fee basis, and the lawsuit itself is a marketing tactic.

So you think it's a threat rather than an actual lawsuit?

Who knows? You could very well be right.

But if Crawford is adamant about filing his $10m lawsuit against Bob Arum, then it'll cost him a fortune. Top Rank won't settle out-of-court, because it'll imply they're a racist organisation.

Either way, I don't think race has any bearing on how Bob Arum promoted him.

Promoters are greedy and only really care about money.

If they can earn a buck from promoting a fighter with blue skin and orange hair, then they'll squeeze that sponge dry, by trying to earn as much money as they possibly can from their guy, regardless their personal bias.

Put it this way, if Top Rank was so racist, then why did he stay with them for ten years, requiring him to sign three contracts with them (two of which were extensions on existing deals)?

Crawford might have a case about certain technicalities about his contract with Top Rank, but he’ll be unable to prove racial bias.

I disagree with pretty much every word of your typically verbose response.

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Freedman & Taitelman LLP. do not threaten people on contingency fee contracts. They execute lawsuits that they believe they will win on enough of a level to profit above and beyond their expenses.

Promoters are not just greedy, they often have out of control egos. Arum is 90 years old. He stopped doing this exclusively for the money long ago.

Not only did Arum fail to adequately live up to his contractual responsibilities in this case, he proactively denigrated TCraw in what I believe can be demonstrated to have damaged the boxer’s market value and his reputation.

The publicity inherent with the lawsuit raises TCraw’s notoriety and creates a fanbase and a haterbase, along the lines of what FMJ expertly engineered.

Dropping FMJ’s name related to this lawsuit also suggests that TCraw may be headed toward Mayweather Promotions.

So initially you said that the lawsuit was simply a "marketing gimmick", but now you’re suggesting it’s a legitimate legal case that's already been executed.

What’s it to be?

OK, I accept the publicity angle, but his reputation will be completely ruined if he drops the case, because people will believe he only made libellous claims purely to gain media headlines and raise his own profile.

His “racial bias” comments about Bob Arum are also slanderous.

You’re not an expert on this legal case, because none of us are, since we haven’t seen the actual legal paperwork.

If you want to keep pretending I'm "typically" wrong, then fill your boots! But you'd only be lying.

And one more thing, Team Crawford released to the press a copy of a letter his legal team had sent to Top Rank complaining about how Terence was being promoted.

Bob Arum was asked to comment on that letter and he provided an honest response. He hadn't said anything derogatory about Crawford (prior to that point in time) until Bud's team started their anti-Top Rank media campaign.

I think that one person can’t exploit the media to criticise another individual and then bitterly complain when the target of their criticism returns fire via the same means, which is precisely what Crawford is doing.

[ironbeard]

So you think it's a threat rather than an actual lawsuit?

Who knows? You could very well be right.

But if Crawford is adamant about filing his $10m lawsuit against Bob Arum, then it'll cost him a fortune. Top Rank won't settle out-of-court, because it'll imply they're a racist organisation.

Either way, I don't think race has any bearing on how Bob Arum promoted him.

Promoters are greedy and only really care about money.

If they can earn a buck from promoting a fighter with blue skin and orange hair, then they'll squeeze that sponge dry, by trying to earn as much money as they possibly can from their guy, regardless their personal bias.

Put it this way, if Top Rank was so racist, then why did he stay with them for ten years, requiring him to sign three contracts with them (two of which were extensions on existing deals)?

Crawford might have a case about certain technicalities about his contract with Top Rank, but he’ll be unable to prove racial bias.

I disagree with pretty much every word of your typically verbose response.

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Freedman & Taitelman LLP. do not threaten people on contingency fee contracts. They execute lawsuits that they believe they will win on enough of a level to profit above and beyond their expenses.

Promoters are not just greedy, they often have out of control egos. Arum is 90 years old. He stopped doing this exclusively for the money long ago.

Not only did Arum fail to adequately live up to his contractual responsibilities in this case, he proactively denigrated TCraw in what I believe can be demonstrated to have damaged the boxer’s market value and his reputation.

The publicity inherent with the lawsuit raises TCraw’s notoriety and creates a fanbase and a haterbase, along the lines of what FMJ expertly engineered.

Dropping FMJ’s name related to this lawsuit also suggests that TCraw may be headed toward Mayweather Promotions.

So initially you said that the lawsuit was simply a marketing gimmick, but now you’re suggesting it’s a legitimate legal case.

What’s it to be?

OK, I accept the publicity angle, but his reputation will be completely ruined if he drops the case, because people will believe he only made libellous claims purely to gain media headlines and raise his own profile.

His “racial bias” comments about Bob Arum are also slanderous.

You’re not an expert on this legal case, because none of us are, since we haven’t seen the actual legal paperwork.

But I suspect I know a damn sight more about the black fighters that Bob Arum has worked with than you do.

If you want to keep pretending I'm "typically" wrong, then fill your boots! But you'd only be lying.

What a vapid waste of space and time you are.

The likelihood of the case being pursued by the attorneys on a contingency fee basis precludes any possibility that it is “a marketing gimmick.” However, the lawsuit by its very nature seeks damages while simultaneously raising TCraw’s market value.

The fact that you could not interpret that from my original post demonstrates your ignorance and inability to acknowledge when you are mistaken.

That is specifically the reason that I so seldom read, let alone respond to your posts.

[Enlightened-One]

I disagree with pretty much every word of your typically verbose response.

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Freedman & Taitelman LLP. do not threaten people on contingency fee contracts. They execute lawsuits that they believe they will win on enough of a level to profit above and beyond their expenses.

Promoters are not just greedy, they often have out of control egos. Arum is 90 years old. He stopped doing this exclusively for the money long ago.

Not only did Arum fail to adequately live up to his contractual responsibilities in this case, he proactively denigrated TCraw in what I believe can be demonstrated to have damaged the boxer’s market value and his reputation.

The publicity inherent with the lawsuit raises TCraw’s notoriety and creates a fanbase and a haterbase, along the lines of what FMJ expertly engineered.

Dropping FMJ’s name related to this lawsuit also suggests that TCraw may be headed toward Mayweather Promotions.

So initially you said that the lawsuit was simply a marketing gimmick, but now you’re suggesting it’s a legitimate legal case.

What’s it to be?

OK, I accept the publicity angle, but his reputation will be completely ruined if he drops the case, because people will believe he only made libellous claims purely to gain media headlines and raise his own profile.

His “racial bias” comments about Bob Arum are also slanderous.

You’re not an expert on this legal case, because none of us are, since we haven’t seen the actual legal paperwork.

But I suspect I know a damn sight more about the black fighters that Bob Arum has worked with than you do.

If you want to keep pretending I'm "typically" wrong, then fill your boots! But you'd only be lying.

What a vapid waste of space and time you are.

The likelihood of the case being pursued by the attorneys on a contingency fee basis precludes any possibility that it is “a marketing gimmick.” However, the lawsuit by its very nature seeks damages while simultaneously raising TCraw’s market value.

The fact that you could not interpret that from my original post demonstrates your ignorance and inability to acknowledge when you are mistaken.

That is specifically the reason that I so seldom read, let alone respond to your posts.

How do you know that Bryan Freedman is definitely handling Crawford's lawsuit via a contingency fee agreement?

Is this an assumption on your part or do you have irrefutable evidence that this is the case?

If it's the former, then you really shouldn't keep barking about me being "wrong" all the time!

[Evander]

While we are on the topic of racism in boxing,

Why is that Matchroom boxing still have Devin Haney under contract ?
He has made racist comments.

Why do Golden Boy still employ Bernard Hopkins ?
He's done the same thing.

Why is Mike Tyson still allowed on tv after all of the racist comments he has made ?

How about Dazn, HBO, Showtime and many other networks who have allowed all of these racists to perform on their networks ?
I'm guessing judging by their actions that they are all perfectly ok with racism on their channels, so why is there a fuss about Terrence Crawford all of a sudden ?

Pure hypocrisy if I've ever seen it.

[ironbeard]

So initially you said that the lawsuit was simply a marketing gimmick, but now you’re suggesting it’s a legitimate legal case.

What’s it to be?

OK, I accept the publicity angle, but his reputation will be completely ruined if he drops the case, because people will believe he only made libellous claims purely to gain media headlines and raise his own profile.

His “racial bias” comments about Bob Arum are also slanderous.

You’re not an expert on this legal case, because none of us are, since we haven’t seen the actual legal paperwork.

But I suspect I know a damn sight more about the black fighters that Bob Arum has worked with than you do.

If you want to keep pretending I'm "typically" wrong, then fill your boots! But you'd only be lying.

What a vapid waste of space and time you are.

The likelihood of the case being pursued by the attorneys on a contingency fee basis precludes any possibility that it is “a marketing gimmick.” However, the lawsuit by its very nature seeks damages while simultaneously raising TCraw’s market value.

The fact that you could not interpret that from my original post demonstrates your ignorance and inability to acknowledge when you are mistaken.

That is specifically the reason that I so seldom read, let alone respond to your posts.

How do you know that Bryan Freedman is definitely handling Crawford's lawsuit via a contingency fee agreement?

Is this an assumption on your part or do you have irrefutable evidence that this is the case?

If it's the former, then you really shouldn't keep barking about me being "wrong" all the time!

Look up the word “likely” Vapid-One.

[Enlightened-One]

Look up the word “likely” Vapid-One.

So in other words, despite you constantly telling me I'm "wrong" all the time, you really don't know for certain how Crawford's lawsuit is being funded, you haven't read the legal documentation and you don't even know for sure whether Terence is being sincere about his complains about Top Rank or whether it's only a marketing gimmick?

You won't respond to that question, will you?

You may be tempted to attempt to insult me again, but you'll definitely refuse to provide a sincere response to that question!

[ironbeard]

Look up the word “likely” Vapid-One.

So in other words, despite you constantly telling me I'm "wrong" all the time, you really don't know for certain how Crawford's lawsuit is being funded, you haven't read the legal documentation and you don't even know for sure whether Terence is being sincere about his complains about Top Rank or whether it's only a marketing gimmick?

You won't respond to that question, will you?

You may be tempted to attempt to insult me again, but you'll definitely refuse to provide a sincere response to that question!

Present your evidence of my constantly claiming that you are wrong, Vapid-One. While you are at it, look up the word “constantly.”

[Enlightened-One]

Look up the word “likely” Vapid-One.

So in other words, despite you constantly telling me I'm "wrong" all the time, you really don't know for certain how Crawford's lawsuit is being funded, you haven't read the legal documentation and you don't even know for sure whether Terence is being sincere about his complains about Top Rank or whether it's only a marketing gimmick?

You won't respond to that question, will you?

You may be tempted to attempt to insult me again, but you'll definitely refuse to provide a sincere response to that question!

Present your evidence of my constantly claiming that you are wrong, Vapid-One. While you are at it, look up the word “constantly.”

Fantastic! The exact response I predicted!

[ironbeard]

So in other words, despite you constantly telling me I'm "wrong" all the time, you really don't know for certain how Crawford's lawsuit is being funded, you haven't read the legal documentation and you don't even know for sure whether Terence is being sincere about his complains about Top Rank or whether it's only a marketing gimmick?

You won't respond to that question, will you?

You may be tempted to attempt to insult me again, but you'll definitely refuse to provide a sincere response to that question!

Present your evidence of my constantly claiming that you are wrong, Vapid-One. While you are at it, look up the word “constantly.”

Fantastic! The exact response I predicted!

Based on my reply, it is obvious that I never made past the part where you make two false accusations about me, Vapid-One.

[Enlightened-One]

Present your evidence of my constantly claiming that you are wrong, Vapid-One. While you are at it, look up the word “constantly.”

Fantastic! The exact response I predicted!

Based on my reply, it is obvious that I never made past the part where you make two false accusations about me, Vapid-One.

The gift that just keeps giving!

You really do need to use more offensive terms than vapid!

[fanman]

Seems like a ridiculous lawsuit. Just part ways and move on with class.

Does remind me of fmj though. He was near #1 p4p. A fantastic fighter. And Arum said he couldn't sell.

Just need to throw some cash around, drive fast cars, and hang around with wh**** to sell

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Does anyone think arum really is racist? Im being serious

[Ruthless-RKO]

Strong message

[KiwiRider]

Does anyone think arum really is racist? Im being serious

Privately who knows?
In buisnes he has made money and retained fighters of varied race. If they resigned with him, they must have been happy. If no one else has come out with the same claims as Crawford since 1966, then probably not.

[tiny_acres]

Does anyone think arum really is racist? Im being serious

Privately who knows?
In buisnes he has made money and retained fighters of varied race. If they resigned with him, they must have been happy. If no one else has come out with the same claims as Crawford since 1966, then probably not.

Yep. I think we would of seen numerous other fighters claiming racism in the 432 years Bob has been promoting.

[Evander]

Does anyone think arum really is racist? Im being serious

No, I think it's completely the other way around.
Terrence Crawford is a racist who has run out of excuses because he can't put bums on seats like Errol Spence can, so he reverts to what many do, calls people racists because he has nothing to fall back on.
Merely by throwing an unfounded accusation puts Crawford in precisely the category he aims to put Arum in.
What has Crawford done for the sport compared to Arum anyway ?
Bob Arum has helped promote the sport of boxing for what seems like forever, he has made many boxers extremely wealthy and changed their lives.
What has Crawford done compared to Arums achievements, F all that's what, you couldn't even compare their contributions when put up to one another.
If it wasn't for Arum, Crawford would barely be a household name and likely have seen off his days working as a greeter at walmart.
If you want to talk racist look no further than Devin Haney, Mike Tyson and Bernard Hopkins just to name a few.
Do you think you're not racist if you belong to a different skin colour, well you don't you're exactly the same.
Arum should tell him to piss off back to Omaha and never to call him again.

[ironbeard]

Fantastic! The exact response I predicted!

Based on my reply, it is obvious that I never made past the part where you make two false accusations about me, Vapid-One.

The gift that just keeps giving!

You really do need to use more offensive terms than vapid!

I utilize words accurately, Vapid-One.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Right, Arum the selfless hero.

Strawman nobody said arum is a saint
You ever invest in an employee, make them money in the process, then have them knife you?

Granted arum shoots his mouth off a lot

[Enlightened-One]

Top Rank took over the promotional rights of Terence Crawford from TKO Boxing Promotions on the 16th June, 2011.

At that point in time, Bud had only engaged in 13 professional bouts and hadn’t fought for any sort of title whatsoever, not even a regional one. He was considered an anonymous prospect when he initially started working with Bob Arum.

He remained with Top Rank for 10½ years, willingly signing two contract extensions (despite receiving opportunities to align himself with Bob Arum's rivals), which spanned 25 bouts, with 16 of them being world title fights.

Terence Crawford has earned tens of millions of dollars during his time with Top Rank, but he somehow feels that he’s been the victim of racial bias.

I really do feel sorry for him! His life is much tougher than mine! It must be an ordeal for him to have to wake up in his mansion everyday knowing that everyone else on the planet is a lot more privileged than himself!

Did Bob Arum and his employees suddenly decide to become racists immediately after Crawford signed his third contract with Top Rank?