Terence Crawford Files Lawsuit against Top Rank

[gregregegg]

Care to cite that for us?

If you just Google “mikey Garcia now legally black according to Terrance crawford” it should be the top link.

Sorry I don’t know how to copy paste on my phone and the links too long to type.

I don’t think that you are interpreting that quite right, but the record will tell.

as I'm sure your aware, I'm taking the piss... Garcia to the best of my knowledge isnt and never has been legaly black (if thats a thing...). and terrence crawfords team arnt going for that angle... Id like to think you googled it and got a laugh out of whatever came up though. Sorry to waste your time mr iron.

[ironbeard]

If you just Google “mikey Garcia now legally black according to Terrance crawford” it should be the top link.

Sorry I don’t know how to copy paste on my phone and the links too long to type.

I don’t think that you are interpreting that quite right, but the record will tell.

as I'm sure your aware, I'm taking the piss... Garcia to the best of my knowledge isnt and never has been legaly black (if thats a thing...). and terrence crawfords team arnt going for that angle... Id like to think you googled it and got a laugh out of whatever came up though. Sorry to waste your time mr iron.

No problem, gregregegg. If I had Googleyed it that would have been a waste of time. I got what you are getting at.

[Evander]

Boxing is a very complicated sport.
There's many including Bob Arum that play the long game in order to keep things churning over year after year.
Sprinkling pixie dust and hoping beyond hope isn't enough sometimes and you need people who understand the infrastructure of the sport to make things happen.
Bob is one of those guys and should be more appreciated for his work especially considering the times in which he did it.

Bob Arum gets too much (not too little) credit for his piss poor performance, and his plantation owner attitude towards his fighters. He should have been chased out of boxing 15 years ago, at least. He is a decayed anachronism of the previous millennium.

Arum is one of the core problems with boxing today. His exit should be celebrated.

Then Crawford should have gone his own way and built his career up himself shouldn't he, Crawford signed the contract he's only got himself to blame.
Perhaps the way to go nowadays is avoid watching and paying for guys such as Crawford and Devin Haney, after all they might cry racism if we score a round for their opponent.
Why risk it with those types of boxers, there's plenty of others to follow out there.
I know I for one will try to avoid talking about them as much as possible and good luck getting me to ever attend any of their fights now.

[ironbeard]

Boxing is a very complicated sport.
There's many including Bob Arum that play the long game in order to keep things churning over year after year.
Sprinkling pixie dust and hoping beyond hope isn't enough sometimes and you need people who understand the infrastructure of the sport to make things happen.
Bob is one of those guys and should be more appreciated for his work especially considering the times in which he did it.

Bob Arum gets too much (not too little) credit for his piss poor performance, and his plantation owner attitude towards his fighters. He should have been chased out of boxing 15 years ago, at least. He is a decayed anachronism of the previous millennium.

Arum is one of the core problems with boxing today. His exit should be celebrated.

Then Crawford should have gone his own way and built his career up himself shouldn't he, Crawford signed the contract he's only got himself to blame.
Perhaps the way to go nowadays is avoid watching and paying for guys such as Crawford and Devin Haney, after all they might cry racism if we score a round for their opponent.
Why risk it with those types of boxers, there's plenty of others to follow out there.
I know I for one will try to avoid talking about them as much as possible and good luck getting me to ever attend any of their fights now.

TCraw is suing over contractual issues.

I agree that the race angle should not have come into play. That part is what I think is the marketing component of TCraw’s strategy; build his cred with the black component of the market while simultaneously building a hater base.

[Evander]

Bob Arum gets too much (not too little) credit for his piss poor performance, and his plantation owner attitude towards his fighters. He should have been chased out of boxing 15 years ago, at least. He is a decayed anachronism of the previous millennium.

Arum is one of the core problems with boxing today. His exit should be celebrated.

Then Crawford should have gone his own way and built his career up himself shouldn't he, Crawford signed the contract he's only got himself to blame.
Perhaps the way to go nowadays is avoid watching and paying for guys such as Crawford and Devin Haney, after all they might cry racism if we score a round for their opponent.
Why risk it with those types of boxers, there's plenty of others to follow out there.
I know I for one will try to avoid talking about them as much as possible and good luck getting me to ever attend any of their fights now.

TCraw is suing over contractual issues.

I agree that the race angle should not have come into play. That part is what I think is the marketing component of TCraw’s strategy; build his cred with the black component of the market while simultaneously building a hater base.

Building a hater base with false accusations of racism makes Crawford himself a racist.
Besides, a hater base is only good for him if they decided to pay to watch him fight.
If on the other hand those so called haters you speak of decide to boycott him entirely does him no good whatsoever now does it.
Perhaps the fans want to take note of this and make a conscious decision while deciding if they want to completely avoid watching him altogether as well as racists such as Devin Haney.
I'm not going to play into his race issues anymore and avoid talking and watching either of those two altogether.
The fans should remember from here on in that any kind of publicity for these two boxers means they support racism and will be lining their pockets with money.
This includes PPV or regular tv, YT Channels and all and any other forms of media.
There's no space for racism in the sport and these two should be dealt a blow in order to send a message out to all the other jokers thinking of doing any such thing in the future.
It'll be the last I speak of these two clowns for some time to come.

[margaret thatcher]

you sound shook evander, these black dudes trigger you when they talk about race?

[Evander]

you sound shook evander, these black dudes trigger you when they talk about race?

If anyone sounds shook it certainly isn't me.
Perhaps shining a light on the behavior of some of these boxers is well overdue, some of them have been playing the race card for so long it's time we brought to light much of what really goes on in the real world.
Perhaps these companies who employ them need to be reminded of their behavior and asked why they support positions such as racism.

[ironbeard]

Then Crawford should have gone his own way and built his career up himself shouldn't he, Crawford signed the contract he's only got himself to blame.
Perhaps the way to go nowadays is avoid watching and paying for guys such as Crawford and Devin Haney, after all they might cry racism if we score a round for their opponent.
Why risk it with those types of boxers, there's plenty of others to follow out there.
I know I for one will try to avoid talking about them as much as possible and good luck getting me to ever attend any of their fights now.

TCraw is suing over contractual issues.

I agree that the race angle should not have come into play. That part is what I think is the marketing component of TCraw’s strategy; build his cred with the black component of the market while simultaneously building a hater base.

Building a hater base with false accusations of racism makes Crawford himself a racist.
Besides, a hater base is only good for him if they decided to pay to watch him fight.
If on the other hand those so called haters you speak of decide to boycott him entirely does him no good whatsoever now does it.
Perhaps the fans want to take note of this and make a conscious decision while deciding if they want to completely avoid watching him altogether as well as racists such as Devin Haney.
I'm not going to play into his race issues anymore and avoid talking and watching either of those two altogether.
The fans should remember from here on in that any kind of publicity for these two boxers means they support racism and will be lining their pockets with money.
This includes PPV or regular tv, YT Channels and all and any other forms of media.
There's no space for racism in the sport and these two should be dealt a blow in order to send a message out to all the other jokers thinking of doing any such thing in the future.
It'll be the last I speak of these two clowns for some time to come.

You are suffering from MOD (Multiple Obsession Disorder) Evanderstein.

[gregregegg]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

[Enlightened-One]

Several interesting things to consider:

• I don’t believe there are any fighters that were previously (or are currently) promoted by Bob Arum that have spoken out in support of Terence Crawford’s “revolting racial bias” claims. Bud has received no support whatsoever from the boxing community.

• The majority of the fighters currently aligned with Top Rank aren’t white (as per their official website). They have a very diverse roster.

• Terence Crawford’s lawsuit dispels any myths perpetuated by ignorant fight fans that passionately asserted that Errol Spence Jr. was “ducking” Bud.

• None of Top Rank’s rivals are interested in working with Terence Crawford, even the PBC, who many (including myself) believed it was a slam dunk certainty that Bud would end up being advised by Al Haymon. They’ve all publicly claimed that Bud is far too expensive and doesn’t generate enough revenue, which perfectly mirrors Bob Arum's own statements.

• Top Rank did make a serious attempt to orchestrate the Manny Pacquiao bout, which would have very likely generated similar (or even superior) commercial numbers than a Crawford-Spence Jr. event.

• Could the fact that Errol Spence Jr. was involved in a car crash late 2019, suffered detached retina earlier this year, coupled with COVID-19 rearing its ugly head early 2020, be used as part of Top Rank’s case to defend their inability to make certain fights? We simply can't ignore the fact that by the time he steps foot inside the ring against Yordenis Ugas, Errol Spence Jr. would have engaged in only one bout within a 2½ year timeframe.

• Could Terence Crawford be liable for defamation if he can’t prove his “revolting racial bias claims”? Because it’s not as if Bud is simply employing WWE-style proverbial hyperbole to sell a fight, instead he’s officially making damaging claims via a lawsuit that's been disclosed to the general public.

Here's a hyperlink to the Crawford-Arum lawsuit documentation.

[Enlightened-One]

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Here’s a verbatim quote from the Terence Crawford legal documentation against Top Rank:

“Crawford has and will continue to incur significant and ongoing attorney’s fees and costs in this action as a result of Top Rank’s actions and failures in an amount in excess of fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000.00).”

This obviously implies that Crawford is duty-bound to paying his attorney fees even if the outcome of his lawsuit is unfavourable.

[H8Usernames]

I'm surprised that the fact that Crawford hates Bob Arum cause Arum is jewish doesn't get more attention cause this clearly means that it's Crawford who is the racist and not Arum. All this antisemitism is just mind-boggling considering all of the great things that jewish people have done for their fellow humans over the years.

Terrence Crawford should be sent to a re-education camp without delay.

[ironbeard]

Bryan Freedman, TCraw’s attorney, is likely on a purely contingency fee contract. The % that Freedman will receive is likely relatively high.

Here’s a verbatim quote from the Terence Crawford legal documentation against Top Rank:

“Crawford has and will continue to incur significant and ongoing attorney’s fees and costs in this action as a result of Top Rank’s actions and failures in an amount in excess of fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000.00).”

This obviously implies that Crawford is duty-bound to paying his attorney fees even if the outcome of his lawsuit is unfavourable.

Have you ever sued anyone, Vapid-One? Do you have even the slightest of an inkling of a clue why that is being included in the legal documentation?

The contract between TCraw and his legal team is likely on a contingency basis, which does not necessarily include specific costs related to litigation lined out in the contract. It is likely being included in the legal docs as part of damages accrued by TCraw as a result of Arum/Topstank alleged contractual violations.

Do you understand what the word “likely” means, Vapid-One?

I used that word because I do not have access to the contract between TCraw and his legal team, and I am not interested in wasting my time reading the legal docs of a case that I really do not care about. I don’t like reading all of my own contracts and legal docs.

[ironbeard]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

[Enlightened-One]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

Eddie Hearn (Matchroom) and Tim Smith (PBC) recently discussed Crawford during interviews.

Terence Crawford has filed a lawsuit against Top Rank, which obviously rules that out.

And apart from Vergil Ortiz Jr., Golden Boy doesn't really have any suitable opponents for Crawford.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

He might be in negotiations with them all. You're right, no one knows.

Unless anyone linked to Crawford or himself or any of the promotional outfits have said otherwise.

All I've heard is that some have mentioned Crawford is expensive. Doesn't mean they're not negotiating does it?

[Enlightened-One]

All I've heard is that some have mentioned Crawford is expensive. Doesn't mean they're not negotiating does it?

If Crawford is willing to compromise and reduce his purse expectations, then he should have no problem finding a new promoter and network.

It's far too late for him to become a PPV star though.

But if Crawford is adamant about receiving $4m minimum purse guarantees per bout to compete against lacklustre opposition (as per his time with Top Rank), then no one will be willing to even consider working with him.

However, Eddie Hearn definitely said he's not interested in Crawford and almost certainly won't be working with him. The Matchroom boss made that crystal clear.

[KiwiRider]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

He might be in negotiations with them all. You're right, no one knows.

Unless anyone linked to Crawford or himself or any of the promotional outfits have said otherwise.

All I've heard is that some have mentioned Crawford is expensive. Doesn't mean they're not negotiating does it?

True.
He might need a reality check though. His ppv numbers suck, considering how accomplished he is.
Much as I hate ppv, it is a clear popularity indicator.

[gregregegg]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

Ok i said something with a certain tone thats based more on a vibe,Fair point. dosent feel like there is a bidding war of epic proportions going on though.

He has burnt the toprank bridge, Eddie said he isnt really interested, golden boy mabey? PBC mabey?... mabey he wants to go solo canelo style? but hard to see that working when he thinks he is a super star but isnt really.

Still think he ends up at PBC, spence to 154, craw 147, boots to get craw at the right time in about 18 months... but this legal case wont help that vision.

[ironbeard]

Crawfords case has a clear problem. And its that absolutely noone is rushing to work with him now that he is a free agent.

If craw came out of contract strait into a 10 million dollar purse, then strait into another and was flying along with another promoter then it would be pretty clear bob arrum held him back (weather illegaly or not wouldent be clear). But as it stands craw is a P4p top 5, 38-0, 3 weight champ, former undisputed champ, exciting style, switch hitter from USA and noone is even half interested in trying to sign him...

How do you know that no one “is even half interested in trying to sign him?”

I am not claiming that everyone is beating down his door to make offers, but I also find it hard to believe that there is no interest.

Who knows? Time will tell.

Ok i said something with a certain tone thats based more on a vibe,Fair point. dosent feel like there is a bidding war of epic proportions going on though.

He has burnt the toprank bridge, Eddie said he isnt really interested, golden boy mabey? PBC mabey?... mabey he wants to go solo canelo style? but hard to see that working when he thinks he is a super star but isnt really.

Still think he ends up at PBC, spence to 154, craw 147, boots to get craw at the right time in about 18 months... but this legal case wont help that vision.

I don’t think that the legal case hurts TCraw. It definitely helps him stay top of mind, whether positive or negative.

We have missed the best years of TCraw, imo. But, that is due to his own choices, for better or worse. He has made plenty of money. He is a family man who is active in his community. He has taken precious little punishment.

I am reasonably certain that he will do 3 to 5 more fights and retire to other interests.

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t think that the legal case hurts TCraw. It definitely helps him stay top of mind, whether positive or negative.

What really matter is whether Top Rank, the PBC or Matchroom are willing to work with Crawford… and they aren’t.

We have missed the best years of TCraw, imo. But, that is due to his own choices, for better or worse. He has made plenty of money. He is a family man who is active in his community. He has taken precious little punishment.

I am reasonably certain that he will do 3 to 5 more fights and retire to other interests.

You could be right. I don't know But either way, the blame must be assigned to the person who committed the proverbial crime.

[ironbeard]

I don’t think that the legal case hurts TCraw. It definitely helps him stay top of mind, whether positive or negative.

What really matter is whether Top Rank, the PBC or Matchroom are willing to work with Crawford… and they aren’t.

We have missed the best years of TCraw, imo. But, that is due to his own choices, for better or worse. He has made plenty of money. He is a family man who is active in his community. He has taken precious little punishment.

I am reasonably certain that he will do 3 to 5 more fights and retire to other interests.

You could be right. I don't know But either way, the blame must be assigned to the person who committed the proverbial crime.

Making decrees again, with less than complete intelligence. Top Rank obviously will not be working with TCraw. Time will tell how the rest of it works out.

There is no crime, proverbial or otherwise. It is just business. Bud will be fine.

[Evander]

TCraw is suing over contractual issues.

I agree that the race angle should not have come into play. That part is what I think is the marketing component of TCraw’s strategy; build his cred with the black component of the market while simultaneously building a hater base.

Building a hater base with false accusations of racism makes Crawford himself a racist.
Besides, a hater base is only good for him if they decided to pay to watch him fight.
If on the other hand those so called haters you speak of decide to boycott him entirely does him no good whatsoever now does it.
Perhaps the fans want to take note of this and make a conscious decision while deciding if they want to completely avoid watching him altogether as well as racists such as Devin Haney.
I'm not going to play into his race issues anymore and avoid talking and watching either of those two altogether.
The fans should remember from here on in that any kind of publicity for these two boxers means they support racism and will be lining their pockets with money.
This includes PPV or regular tv, YT Channels and all and any other forms of media.
There's no space for racism in the sport and these two should be dealt a blow in order to send a message out to all the other jokers thinking of doing any such thing in the future.
It'll be the last I speak of these two clowns for some time to come.

You are suffering from MOD (Multiple Obsession Disorder) Evanderstein.

The whole line is starting to sound a bit desperate isn't it.
Could well be they want to make the fight but can't generate the numbers they want based off of their projections so they resort to one of the three things that get people talking, race religion and politics.
In this case race, it's all they have to try and make the numbers up I suppose.
Everyone wants to see Spence v Crawford, but more than likely due to certain demands on either side there's got to be some give, so activate the race issue to create more interest and demand, seen it a million times.
They do this all the time, it's an industry.

[ironbeard]

Building a hater base with false accusations of racism makes Crawford himself a racist.
Besides, a hater base is only good for him if they decided to pay to watch him fight.
If on the other hand those so called haters you speak of decide to boycott him entirely does him no good whatsoever now does it.
Perhaps the fans want to take note of this and make a conscious decision while deciding if they want to completely avoid watching him altogether as well as racists such as Devin Haney.
I'm not going to play into his race issues anymore and avoid talking and watching either of those two altogether.
The fans should remember from here on in that any kind of publicity for these two boxers means they support racism and will be lining their pockets with money.
This includes PPV or regular tv, YT Channels and all and any other forms of media.
There's no space for racism in the sport and these two should be dealt a blow in order to send a message out to all the other jokers thinking of doing any such thing in the future.
It'll be the last I speak of these two clowns for some time to come.

You are suffering from MOD (Multiple Obsession Disorder) Evanderstein.

The whole line is starting to sound a bit desperate isn't it.
Could well be they want to make the fight but can't generate the numbers they want based off of their projections so they resort to one of the three things that get people talking, race religion and politics.
In this case race, it's all they have to try and make the numbers up I suppose.
Everyone wants to see Spence v Crawford, but more than likely due to certain demands on either side there's got to be some give, so activate the race issue to create more interest and demand, seen it a million times.
They do this all the time, it's an industry.

Good post.

Arum claims the guy that he was contracted to promote did not promote himself. TCraw took it to heart.

[Evander]

Are we making this fight or not ?