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JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 06:12

Thanks for those links by the way, hilarious stuff. Is the fella in the video clip you or is it just a random clip ??!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 06:36

The last thing any woman wants is a feminist man. I can guarantee you that all around the country there are women who are in a relationship with just such a new man, who fantasise about being taken roughly from behind by a hairy neaderthal brute who doesn't give a shit about their feelings.

All women are looking for an impossible combination of attributes, if you're too sensitive they will trample you and depise you, and if you're too self centred they will moan about your lack of empathy. If you are too intellectual and effete they will probably end up getting shagged by some lager lout in the bogs, and if you go around getting jealous and screaming and shouting about it, they'll be getting their ringpiece fingered by some smackhead 'poet.'

Best thing to do is totally disregard it all, be yourself and prepare to deal with the fallout on a regular basis.

Ahh, the battle of the sexes, a futile war, but a fun one to fight.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 31 Jul 2006, 07:22

JimJim wrote:Thanks for those links by the way, hilarious stuff. Is the fella in the video clip you or is it just a random clip ??!

It is me.

James, if that was about neanderthals these days, then my mating call would work.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 10:04

Screw Tony Soprano why do you think I'm a sex symbol.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 10:58

Mate, you really are talking utter cobblers here. Do you think piercings and long hair are something new. Christ, piercings, tattoos and long hair were around in the days of the British sugar trade!

As for an interest in fashion, you only have to go back as far as Edwardian times to see an age where men had an interest in fashion, and in fact if you go back to tudor times, men's clothes were even more extravagant than women's so you really are talking utter rot here.

I have no problem with women being treated equally, where they are able to do a job equally well as a man, nor of them entering any profession they see fit, and that includes boxing, the Army, whatever, I am certainly no misogynist.

However, what I do find laughable is that many women, though not all certainly, on the one hand expect to be treated as equals to men, but at the same time think that they should be deferred to, have doors opened and drinks bought for them, and to generally be treated like princesses.

The fact is, that as a species, the female is the one whose physical beauty is more important, and this has always, and will always be so, even other women find the female form generally more attractive than the male form. The male is expected to be more sexually aggressive, confident, and to display his suitability for mating with displays of wealth, success and good health in all the forms that takes.

Women may think they want one thing, but when it comes down to it, it's always the confident alpha male who gets the most desirable females, and that is as it ever was.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 11:35

Terence wrote:
livingstone cole wrote:I suppose that womens reactions to mens thoughts on this issue vary tremendously within any number of parameters including age education and social class. I'll tell you one thing, my partner though attracted to the ruggedness characteristics of men, would not put up with any chauvinist or misogynistic attitudes at all.

I've got the feminists to be thankful for a lot, and believe it or not so have you. I've got long hair and a few piercings, if it wasn't for the shift in attitudes that we witnessed since the birth of feminism this woldn't be acceptable at all. We can have interests in fashion (if you want to look good), our economy has grown because women can work and people are haapier because they have the potential to achieve more than they used to.

So you see terence Terence, it's not weeping over woman's stuff, it's not on ongoing battle between the sexes, it's an effort to change the mindset of the new generations to a create a fairer and more equal society on a hundred different levels, that each of us can benefit from.
Livingstone, don't give me that rot, you talk about an equal society and thank feminism for finally allowing piercings and long air on men to come into the public domain. Erm, they've been doing that (piercing, long-hair) in indiginous tribes for centuries now and they've not read the 'Female Eunuch' (I have it is crap - seriously). It is a generally poor point probably because your idea of society is based solely on The West. The women in these tribes, where men have piercings and long-hair, still do womens work despite the sartorial developments. Everyone needs a sense of place.

As for women working, yes they do but more and more they are recognising that if you bring a child into the world you leave work or curtail your career. Most of the women I know are, finally, recognising this basic biological difference between men and women (and they are not preggers chavs, these are well-educated modern women).

Generations have been brought up thinking they can do and be whatever the fook they want and it has produced a society of spoiled brats who cannot accept their deficiencies or differences. There is a reason that labour is divisible and women are designed to nurture more than men, they have milk in their tits for gods sake, think about it.

Many women now, again sophisticated (I know no other kind) are into the 1950's housewife thing. They subscribe to the whore in the bedroom, angel in the kitchen (or whore in the kitchen, just clean those surfaces before you cook my tea girls) philosophy, yes they want a career but they are seeing that if they procreate the career must go for a burton, to not do this would be selfish.

All this went-off from the view that strippers are down-trodden when they majoirty earn very nicely and are looked after.

James, after this thread I think you must be some big, good-looking bloke who pulls a stripper a week. I bet you don't spend a penny in theseplaces

Seems like we're singing from the same Hymnsheet Terrence me old son.

It does appear that there is definetly a backlash against the idea that we are all equal, and women are realising that yes, there are biological differences, and yes, career and family are not very compatible. I am not saying that all women should be baby machines, but the fact is the vast majority get broody at some point or another, and all they can think about is having a baby. There's a biological reason for that of course, and at the basest level, we are just chemical machines who are designed to pass on our genetic code and procreate the race, everything else is just fluff and nonsense. Fatalistic I know, but also true.

As for me being this hugely successful alpha male, if only that were true Terrence.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 12:25

Well Terrence I still think you're talking complete and utter garbage but I can't help but give you credit for being cool, calm and collected in the face of considerable flack, especially from me. Your indepth knowledge of feminism over the past few decades actually confirms my name-calling of you as a feminist male apologist (I half expected you to deny it) but I can't muster any more anger about it because you're not slinging mud back at me

I suppose it wouldn't do if we all saw things the same way. Anyway, regardless of what you or I agree or disagree on strip clubs will continue to flourish, for better or worse. I don't want to carry on putting the boot in, I don't agree with anything you say but well done for sticking to your guns and standing your ground

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 12:27

That's mean to be addressed to Livingston Cole not Terrance. There's something to be said for checking your messages before posting them

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 14:17

Someone should create a 'best of boxrec' section for threads like this, it's quite incredible the chats we get into here, all that's missing is several bottles of whisky, a smoky clubhouse, and the tearful end to the evening which accompanies large numbers of men given enough alchohol and time.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 14:38

Why thje fixation with long hair? What's the big deal about people feeling free to shoot pieces of metal through themselves and grow their hair.

Feminism is a small part of liberalism, and to be honest people have always identified themselves with one tribe or another, mods or rockers, punks or casuals etc etc. It's just that there are more tribes. The effect you are talking about is more to do with the rise of the teenager.

Once upon a time yhou were a child, and then suddently you were an adult, teenagers just didn't exist, they were children then they got jobs fathered children and were then considered man.

The increase in leisure time and the increase in spending power has produced a society in which clothing indentity has become increasingly complex. in the 1950's most people would probably have owned 1 suit, a few pairs of trousers, a couple of shirts and a heavy overcoat and jumpers. You didn't see men with 15 pairs of shoes and 10 different pairs of Jeans because nobody had the money to burn. We live in a much more cushy society now, where the general standard of living is a hell of a lot higher, and in a society where more women work, and have their own income.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 14:38

Terrance is 100% right (and this time I'm not getting people mixed up)about affirmative action and I speak as an employee of the local council. It has actual policies in place to fast track women into jobs over and above male employees and that is FACT. I know of a number of cases, some involving colleagues of mine, where a male applicant (for internal promotion) has been passed over in favour of a female applicant just to make up the numbers.

This is official council policy, and its barmy to me. In roles where women outnumber men in the council, is there an equivalent policy to achieve a gender balance, don't ask such a fxxking dumb question of course there isn't, it only works one way.

Thats why I get wound up by male feminists. I'm afraid I don't believe that the core aim of feminism is equality. Eg, some female ministers of this government actually believe that, except in rare cases (extreme violence), women should not be sent to prison. This argument is based on gender - that prison is simply no place for women. Of course its good enough for the fellas though.

A great potential weakness of any group that is discriminated against and rallies against said discrimination, whether we're talking minorities or gender, is not knowing where to draw the line. In the great battle for equal treatment nobody seems to ever say "hang on everyone, the world is always going to be unfair but broadly speaking we've achieved our aims"; the danger is crossing the line and proceeding to demand what essentially becomes preferential treatment, which you then invent new phrases for in justification, eg affirmative action. Which then pisses off everyone else, and puts different parts of society at odds with each other, as we see everyday.

I do not blame the rank and file members of any group (minority or gender) for this, the problem lies in the jobs created by central government, either individual jobs or whole commissions. These are well paid cushy jobs and are you ever going to get somebody to say "okay, I've achieved the aims, time for me to move on". Of course not. So it goes on and on and on.

A bit like me on my soapbox, in fact.

I'm a bloke and I think that these days blokes get a raw deal. So there

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 14:50

Livingston Cole, I don't want to get personal as I don't know your partners mother, I'm sure she is everything you say she is but you've posted details of her circumstances on here and I can't help but pick up on them; you say she's taken one council to court for being groped, and another council to court because she hasn't been paid as much as a male counterpart. Presumably she won both cases ?

If everybody in the world went around suing for everything that went against them, the planet would come to a grinding halt. Claims against councils, the NHS, the police and other authorities run into the hundreds of millions, annually. I'm all for serious cases being investigated but frankly a lot of cases are just crazy. Here in Yorkshire a local shop interviewed potential shop assistants. The role included opening and shutting a heavy steel shutter when the premises opened and closed. The shop keeper didn't select a heavily pregnant candidate because of her condition - he didn't want her lifting the steel shutter. He got hauled in front of a tribunal, lost the case, and had to pay compensation to the applicant. To me, that is totally wrong.

I am not referring to your partners mother here but I think there is a general problem in our society with people who go around just LOOKING for signs of being discriminated against.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jul 2006, 15:11

JimJim wrote:Livingston Cole, I don't want to get personal as I don't know your partners mother, I'm sure she is everything you say she is but you've posted details of her circumstances on here and I can't help but pick up on them; you say she's taken one council to court for being groped, and another council to court because she hasn't been paid as much as a male counterpart. Presumably she won both cases ?

If everybody in the world went around suing for everything that went against them, the planet would come to a grinding halt. Claims against councils, the NHS, the police and other authorities run into the hundreds of millions, annually. I'm all for serious cases being investigated but frankly a lot of cases are just crazy. Here in Yorkshire a local shop interviewed potential shop assistants. The role included opening and shutting a heavy steel shutter when the premises opened and closed. The shop keeper didn't select a heavily pregnant candidate because of her condition - he didn't want her lifting the steel shutter. He got hauled in front of a tribunal, lost the case, and had to pay compensation to the applicant. To me, that is totally wrong.

I am not referring to your partners mother here but I think there is a general problem in our society with people who go around just LOOKING for signs of being discriminated against.

Lambeth council had to put up posters offering rewards to people who shopped people they knew had made fraudulent claims for injury, courtesy of those bloody companies who offer to sue said body for you tripping and breaking your big toe when pissed up, then realising you could make 5 grand whilst taking a month of work.

On a more serious note, the problem with any system designed to prevent discrimination, is that it makes aware a certain proportion of the particular group being rightly protected, of the potential benefits of looking for examples of discrimination and milking the system.

However, this doesn't mean there is no value in trying to 'even out' society. One of the functions of a society where opporunities exist for all, is that we have less internal strife, although we have our problems, generally I think our society functions well, and we do not have to walk around in constant fear of attack.

It's all about finding the right balance, and of course that is always going to be the difficulty, and unfortunately common sense is not something that is easiuly built into legislation.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 31 Jul 2006, 15:30

I saw those reward posters last time I was in London, earlier this year. I expect them to start appearing here in Yorkshire anytime soon !

One thing I hate about politics is the "layer upon layer" approach that seems to be inevitable. For instance, if a law isn't working, another law is passed, and when that throws up further problems down the line, another law will be passed, and so on. More work, committee meetings and the like for our politicians.... which is unfortunately the whole point, given that so many politicians emerge from the ranks of solicitors.

Like the ambulance chaser lawyers to which you refer. It would be too simple to amend the law to prevent such lawsuits from happening in the first place. Instead, action is now taken against people who make those illegitimate claims...

For example, suppose I put in a false claim against my employer, the local council. A solicitor is involved on my side, and on the councils side. Lets say I win, but thanks to posters like the one you refer to, I get grassed up. Another solicitor then takes action against me, and of course I will go get a solicitor to defend me.

The simple solution would be to stop me making such a claim in the first place but the world doesn't work that way. It always, always, always, has to be more work for politicians and lawyers.

This is the way the world goes round. I've only learned this since working for the local council.

BOXREC FORUM - WHERE THE WORLD IS PUT TO RIGHTS

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 01 Aug 2006, 05:30

You want to see bureaucracy gone mad? try setting up a trade fair in the US.

I was at the recent book fair in Washington and went to move a chair from 2 ft off my stand to a position on my stand. All hell broke loose. The teamsters all downed tools and claimed I had infringed on union labour and the whole place ( all 1000 + booths ) came to a standstill until I apologised ( while surrounded by a mob of burly bodybuilding construction workers ) and signed a waiver saying I had not attempted to take the job of a union member and agreeing not to perform union only tasks.

A**holes

Slapsie

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Aug 2006, 06:20

Jesus, didn't realise the teamsters union was still like that! That's bloody insane!

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 01 Aug 2006, 08:03

jamesmcdonnell wrote: However, what I do find laughable is that many women, though not all certainly, on the one hand expect to be treated as equals to men, but at the same time think that they should be deferred to, have doors opened and drinks bought for them, and to generally be treated like princesses.

The fact is, that as a species, the female is the one whose physical beauty is more important, and this has always, and will always be so, even other women find the female form generally more attractive than the male form. The male is expected to be more sexually aggressive, confident, and to display his suitability for mating with displays of wealth, success and good health in all the forms that takes.

Women may think they want one thing, but when it comes down to it, it's always the confident alpha male who gets the most desirable females, and that is as it ever was.

I agree completely with all of the above.

Getting back to it - are we going to do one of these London meetings that have been talked about for a long time without anything actually happening? I don't mind about the venue at all (and have not been to any strip clubs in London yet despite living here two years) but preferably it would be on a Friday or Saturday.....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Aug 2006, 08:06

Sure thing, seems a few people want to meet. We need a sticky meet thingy (apt under the circumstances), could someone oblige.

I suggest we meet at the Griffin can we suggest a provisional date of Friday August 25th?

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 01 Aug 2006, 11:33

I'd love to attend one of these but I live in Yorkshire and only get down to London once or twice a year. Shame, as I'm on a promise from Livingston Cole, he mentioned a cuddle but I think it was a euphemism

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Aug 2006, 11:46

For what, anal?

celticwarrior · Post by **celticwarrior** » 01 Aug 2006, 18:34

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
celticwarrior wrote:Seems to be a few experts on London nite life here so can anyone recommend some pubs & clubs for a stag weekend there. Heading over from Dublin for a mates stag soon and none of us are too familiar with London so any suggestions?

We're all booked into a hotel between Oxford St and Soho so I'm hoping that we're in a pretty good location from staggering from one place to the next.
It very much depends on what you're into, there are so many varying clubs, bars etc on offer, that there are too many to choose from. What do you like to do of an evening, swanky cocktail bar, dodgy dive, upscale RnB club, or banging house night?

If you haven't been to London before, there's something to be said for staggering round Soho, there's lots of late night joints there, some amazingly seedy ones which have to be seen to be believed.

Thanks for the info! Appreciate it.

celticwarrior · Post by **celticwarrior** » 01 Aug 2006, 18:35

states wrote:
celticwarrior wrote:Seems to be a few experts on London nite life here so can anyone recommend some pubs & clubs for a stag weekend there. Heading over from Dublin for a mates stag soon and none of us are too familiar with London so any suggestions?

We're all booked into a hotel between Oxford St and Soho so I'm hoping that we're in a pretty good location from staggering from one place to the next.
Tell me, are you leaving Dublin to avoid all the pissed-up English who are heading in the opposite way on their stag do's?

Very, very embarrasing the last time I was there........ And not in a good way.

Yes it's something of a stag exchange trip!