Demetrius Andrade vs. Janibek Alimkhanuly - WBO Ordered

[Bandog]

Purse bids extended a week.

Does that mean a deal could be close?

That's what it usually means

I hope they will seal a deal.

Jani would be Andrade's first legit test at 160.

I hope so. I'd love to see him tested, win or lose. Munguia, Charlo, and GGG have declined to test their skill against his.

[margaret thatcher]

ya sure would be nice if demetrius finally finds it in himself to fight a top opponent

it's true he hasnt turned this one down yet. hopefully he signs on vs this solid contender, then fights an elite opponent. 14 years pro and his best win might still be vanes? damn homie

[apollo creed]

ya sure would be nice if demetrius finally finds it in himself to fight a top opponent

it's true he hasnt turned this one down yet. hopefully he signs on vs this solid contender, then fights an elite opponent. 14 years pro and his best win might still be vanes? damn homie

yeah thats crazy. But lets not forget that Andrade was supposed to fight BJS and then BJS got caught on nasal sprays.

[margaret thatcher]

ya true, it was a shame, cant blame boo boo for that. although at least that wasnt a blatant duck like andrade pulling out vs charlo to fight worse opponents for less money

[apollo creed]

That's what it usually means

I hope they will seal a deal.

Jani would be Andrade's first legit test at 160.

I hope so. I'd love to see him tested, win or lose. Munguia, Charlo, and GGG have declined to test their skill against his.

Tbh, this is the type of boxing match that I'll believe its going to happen when the 1st round starts!

[Bandog]

Lets be straight here, If Andrade would beat clearly Jani, I hope some people would not say that Jani was a hypejob. Imo Jani is legit , on the same level with Chenko (Jacobs fight) and Munguia.

Alimkhanuly isn’t a hype job.


I don’t know whether he definitely will beat Andrade, but Alimkhanuly almost certainly has the tools and the skills to upset the American.

I’d be singing Andrade’s praises if he beats Alimkhanuly, but if Boo Boo ducks the fight and vacates his title, then I won’t stop ridiculing him!

My criticism of Demetrius will be relentless if this happens.

I never said Alimkhauly is a cakewalk or a hypejob. If Andrade fights and wins, then what? Why not relentlessly criticise Mall Charlo for ducking Andrade? Or GGG? Mall is embarasing himself lately. At least G is fighting another champ.

The same people use Andrade's weak resume against him, but refuse to admit the other champs at his weight (big $ fights) refuse to fight him. $7mil offer to Mall, $40 mil offer to Canelo a couple yrs back. "Horrible fighter". Right.

[apollo creed]

Charlo is on idle mode in waiting for Canelo's call. He's all safe and ready for Canelo.

GGG will fight Murata in Japan in a big event.

Munguia is gonna fight Ballard.

So, Andrade should fight Jani.

I agree that Charlo vs Andrade is a good fight and it should be made as I said it before but you can't force somebody to fight you.

I remember also when Jacobs checked Mall Charlo and Charlito was stumbling over his words.

“I came at the perfect time,” a smiling Jacobs said as he walked toward Charlo, who later Tweeted that Jacobs approaching him was an act. “I came at the perfect time. I’m just trying to figure out what we’re doing. We’re gonna play back and forth, over Twitter. You’re saying I’m ducking you to go on HBO? Bro, you ain’t even touch an M yet. I’m touching Ms. That’s why I made my way to HBO. I know you’re gonna or probably get it.”

Brooklyn’s Jacobs, 31, referred to seven-figure paydays.

He made more than $3 million to fight Gennady Golovkin last March 18 at Madison Square Garden. Jacobs also signed a multimillion-dollar agreement last fall to fight exclusively on HBO.

Thus far, the 27-year-old Charlo hasn’t made $1 million or more for one of his fights.

Charlo clarified to Jacobs that he hasn’t said Jacobs is ducking him.

“I ain’t never said you ducked me,” Charlo told Jacobs. “They asked, ‘Do you wanna fight Danny?’ Why not? Why not? You’re one of the big names.”; lol but Charlie doesn't answered straight YES. He left it in the air.

Jacobs responded by telling Charlo that they’ll eventually fight.

“We don’t need to go back and forth,” Jacobs said. “I just wanna make it clear. I’m hearing people saying you said, ‘Pull up.’ What pull up mean? I don’t know what that means. All right, so let me take care of [Maciej Sulecki]. This is why I’m confused. Because you know my rap sheet. You know what I’m about. I’m gonna see you.”

Charlo and Jacobs shook hands before Jacobs walked away from the scrum.

“You know what I’m about,” Charlo said. “You know. You know it. You know it. You know it.”

At that time Jacobs was a big name at mw and yet Charlie didn't want that challenge. The Jacobs confrontation is gonna hang around Charlie all the time.

[Enlightened-One]

If Andrade fights and wins, then what?

It’ll be the best victory of Demetrius Andrade’s entire professional career – definitely within the last four years campaigning at 160lbs.

If Boo Boo beats Alimkhanuly then he’d deserved to be praised. No one from this forum will be more impressed by this feat than me.

However, I personally don’t feel the Alimkhanuly fight will be made, but if I’m wrong and Andrade takes it, then I’d favour Zhanibek to score the upset.

Why not relentlessly criticise Mall Charlo for ducking Andrade? Or GGG?

I often criticise Jermall Charlo and GGG's recent penchant for refusing to fight the very best in their own weight class.

I don’t criticise Jermall Charlo rejecting the Demetrius Andrade fight though, because Eddie Hearn didn’t disclose the offer that was actually made.

Mall is embarasing himself lately.

He’s the current front-runner to land the Canelo bout.

Two of Charlo’s more recent victories (i.e. Sergiy Derevyanchenko and Matt Korobov) were against opponents that Demetrius Andrade’s own handlers conceded Boo Boo ducked.

At least G is fighting another champ.

Zhanibek Alimkhanuly's last two KO victories came against Rob Brant and Hassan N'Dam, with both of those guys holding victories over the WBA's current super world middleweight champion, Ryota Murata.

Some interesting facts about Ryota Murata to consider - he would have:

• Only won two fights within the last four years
• Been the champion for more than 37 months without performing a mandatory defence
• Been inactive for the last 2½ years

The same people use Andrade's weak resume against him, but refuse to admit the other champs at his weight (big $ fights) refuse to fight him.

Demetrius Andrade previously rejected guaranteed opportunities to face the likes of Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

It's important to note that last week, Demetrius Andrade attampted to vacate his WBO world middleweight championship, in order to avoid facing Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, because he preferred to fight Zach Parker for the WBO's interim 168lbs title instead.

$7mil offer to Mall, $40 mil offer to Canelo a couple yrs back.

Only Demetrius Andrade claimed those sums. Eddie Hearn flatly-refused to corroborate Boo Boo’s claims.

No one aligned with Canelo or Jermall Charlo verified Andrade’s claims either.

On a related note: Demetrius Andrade has definitely “ducked” four top-ten world-rated opponents and has just tried ducking a fifth!

"Horrible fighter"

He is indeed a “horrible fighter”.

He might be talented, but he’s boring to watch.

This is the reason why Matchroom refuse to invest in him. He’s a commercially unpopular fighter, because his fights aren't entertaining.

[Bandog]

@EO

Thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your bs. Bringing up Mell Charlo, and Korb (who was at a higher weight from 8 yrs ago? Please...

The "ducking" between Lara and Andrade has went both ways, and is well documented. Lara said he already beat his ass. (15 yrs ago in amateurs)

I explained before Dervenchenko's trainer is against him fighting Andrade.

The $7 million? offer to Mall Charlo was never denied by himself...probably because he knows the email is out there. Whatever it was, it was easily twice what Mall has ever made. It takes two willing boxers.

Same goes for Canelo. From 154-160 He fought guys all around Andrade, and several way below skill-wise. He turned down a $40 million offer, but like Charlo says, he's already rich. Could Canelo win? Absolutely, but he would look very poor doing it, like he did with Lara.

I'm done hashing over worthless crap just because you want the last word, but go ahead, I'll be the adult in the room, and let you spew your nonsense.

[Enlightened-One]

@EO

Thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your bs. Bringing up Mell Charlo, and Korb (who was at a higher weight from 8 yrs ago? Please...

The "ducking" between Lara and Andrade has went both ways, and is well documented. Lara said he already beat his ass. (15 yrs ago in amateurs)

I explained before Dervenchenko's trainer is against him fighting Andrade.

The $7 million? offer to Mall Charlo was never denied by himself...probably because he knows the email is out there. Whatever it was, it was easily twice what Mall has ever made. It takes two willing boxers.

Same goes for Canelo. From 154-160 He fought guys all around Andrade, and several way below skill-wise. He turned down a $40 million offer, but like Charlo says, he's already rich. Could Canelo win? Absolutely, but he would look very poor doing it, like he did with Lara.

I'm done hashing over worthless crap just because you want the last word, but go ahead, I'll be the adult in the room, and let you spew your nonsense.

You're in denial.

Despite all the evidence I've cited, you still believe in things that never happened.

Demetrius Andrade definitely rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara.

And only last week, Demetrius Andrade attempted to vacate his WBO world middleweight championship, in order to avoid facing Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, because he preferred to fight Zach Parker for the WBO's interim 168lbs title instead.

Even when Demetrius Andrade’s own handlers blatantly admit their reluctance to face an opponent (a few days ago), to the point they’re willing to vacate their world title, you still bizarrely believe that Boo Boo is being ducked.

How effective is your short-term memory?

[apollo creed]

@EO

Thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your bs. Bringing up Mell Charlo, and Korb (who was at a higher weight from 8 yrs ago? Please...

The "ducking" between Lara and Andrade has went both ways, and is well documented. Lara said he already beat his ass. (15 yrs ago in amateurs)

I explained before Dervenchenko's trainer is against him fighting Andrade.

The $7 million? offer to Mall Charlo was never denied by himself...probably because he knows the email is out there. Whatever it was, it was easily twice what Mall has ever made. It takes two willing boxers.

Same goes for Canelo. From 154-160 He fought guys all around Andrade, and several way below skill-wise. He turned down a $40 million offer, but like Charlo says, he's already rich. Could Canelo win? Absolutely, but he would look very poor doing it, like he did with Lara.

I'm done hashing over worthless crap just because you want the last word, but go ahead, I'll be the adult in the room, and let you spew your nonsense.

Hearn made an offer, but Charlito quacked out. Its on this forum all the info. If Charlito was a straight up mofo, he would've posted on twitter or ig the real number of that offer!

Anyway Charlito's/handlers plan was good, to stay safe and wait Canelo or GGG calls.

[Enlightened-One]

They keep delaying this purse bid!

Ten weeks would have transpired since Team Andrade were informed of their need to perform a mandatory defence against Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and the new purse bid deadline!

Matchroom obviously aren't interested in negotiating the fight, hence the fact it's going to purse bids, that just keep getting delayed!

[Ruthless-RKO]

They keep delaying this purse bid!

Ten weeks would have transpired since Team Andrade were informed of their need to perform a mandatory defence against Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and the new purse bid deadline!

Matchroom obviously aren't interested in negotiating the fight, hence the fact it's going to purse bids, that just keep getting delayed!

What are they waiting for?

Some sort of confirmation from the WBO in regards to the 168 division situation?

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s covid related pal.

[apollo creed]

They keep delaying this purse bid!

Ten weeks would have transpired since Team Andrade were informed of their need to perform a mandatory defence against Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and the new purse bid deadline!

Matchroom obviously aren't interested in negotiating the fight, hence the fact it's going to purse bids, that just keep getting delayed!

What are they waiting for?

Some sort of confirmation from the WBO in regards to the 168 division situation?

Andrade doesn't want Jani.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[apollo creed]

Canelo ain't gonna fight Andrade bc of Andrade's poor resume and his lack of quality opposition. Canelo would probably vacate that wbo belt.

If Andrade wants to get Canelo's attention, he should challenge Benavidez, not Parker.

[Ruthless-RKO]

WBO has postponed purse bids a further 5 days

[Bandog]

Canelo ain't gonna fight Andrade bc of Andrade's poor resume and his lack of quality opposition. Canelo would probably vacate that wbo belt.

If Andrade wants to get Canelo's attention, he should challenge Benavidez, not Parker.

Andrade has had Canelo's attention for 10 years now. Did Amir Khan, Yildrim, Fielding, JCCjr, Liam Smith have his attention?

Please, he has clearly avoided him for years now. Canelo has avoided Andrade, admit it.

[margaret thatcher]

andrade has pretty much avoided anyone with a pulse. he did find time to fight jason quigley though, he deserves credit for that

[apollo creed]

andrade has pretty much avoided anyone with a pulse. he did find time to fight jason quigley though, he deserves credit for that

future HOF and ATG!

[apollo creed]

WBO has postponed purse bids a further 5 days

Its clear that Andrade don't want Jani's work!

The irony is that Janibek has a better resume @ 160 than Andrade-the mw wbo champion. lol

[Enlightened-One]

After beating Brian Rose for a (then) career-best payday of $200K, Demetrius Andrade rejected a career-high purse of $550K when he refused (at very late notice) to defend his title against Jermell Charlo, falsely claiming he was being lowballed.

Nine months later, Team Andrade subsequently conceded they’d lied, as per their legal documentation they filed for their August 2015 lawsuit against Roc Nation.

After lobbying the WBO for the right to challenge for their vacant world middleweight title, Demetrius Andrade rejected the opportunity as soon as he was told he’d be facing Matt Korobov.

Andrade was then stripped of his WBO 154lbs world title due to 14-months of inactivity, mainly because of his ducking of Charlo and Korobov.

He then fought a couple of journeymen, Dario Fabian Pucheta and Willie Nelson, immediately prior to capturing the WBA’s “regular” world 154lbs title against Jack Culcay via split-decision, in a bout he was paid the princely sum of $70K.

Six months later, Demetrius Andrade vacated the WBA’s regular 154lbs world title, because he didn’t want to exploit his mandated shot at the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification bout.

Immediately after beating Alantez Fox in a non-title bout at 160lbs, and despite negotiations commencing seven weeks prior to the proposed 16th December 2017 fight-date, with both teams even agreeing terms, Demetrius Andrade refused to sign the contract to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, claiming inadequate training preparation.

If it was Andrade’s sincere intention to take the Derevyanchenko fight, then he should have started training straight away, which is the norm. Otherwise, both teams shouldn’t have even bothered to initiate negotiations.

Demetrius Andrade then chose to remain inactive for almost a year.

Boo Boo is allegedly preferring to vacate his WBO world middleweight title, because he doesn’t want to face the dangerous Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, in preference to face the unproven unaccomplished UK domestic level Zach Parker.

The thing is… even his own promoter, Eddie Hearn, has conceded he’s not even trying to make a fight between Andrade and Canelo, because he’s offering the Mexican a two-fight deal against Bivol and GGG instead.

Can anyone name a fighter that’s ducked more top-ten world-rated opposition than Demetrius Andrade has, because I can’t?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Instead of fighting Jermell Charlo or Matt Korobov, Demetrius Andrade allowed himself to be stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title and fight Dario Pucheta.

Instead of facing the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification bout, Demetrius Andrade chose to vacate his WBA world “regular” 154lbs title and become inactive.

Instead of fighting Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Demetrius Andrade chose to fight Walter Kautondokwa.

Instead of facing Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, Demetrius Andrade is choosing to vacate his WBO world middleweight title and fight Zach Parker.

I agree with everything else, but is this right?

Did Andrade choose to fight Walter?

Wasn't Andrade due to fight BJS for the WBO belt? Then BJS sneezed hot, so title was vacated,

Wasn't it the WBO who then put Walter forward for the vacant belt?

My history on it isn't the sharpest as it was few years back now.

[Enlightened-One]

Did Andrade choose to fight Walter?

Andrade rejected the Sergiy Derevyanchenko fight, remained inactive for a year and then fought Walter Kautondokwa.

Eddie Hearn performed the matchmaking for the Walter Kautondokwa bout.

Wasn't Andrade due to fight BJS for the WBO belt? Then BJS sneezed hot, so title was vacated.

After being called out by the Brit, Demetrius Andrade admitted (January 2018) about not being ready to face Billy Joe Saunders until he grew into the division.

Boo Boo eventually agreed to take the fight, but one month prior to the Saunders bout, Billy Joe tested positive for substances that were banned by VADA, but not by WADA, UKAD or USADA.

Wasn't it the WBO who then put Walter forward for the vacant belt?

No. It was Eddie Hearn that made the bout and the WBO then agreed to sanction it.

Walter Kautondokwa was rated by the WBO, was in-shape and was already on standby (similar situation Carlos Takam was in, when he was Matchroom's standby replacement opponent to fill the void created by Kubrat Pulev's late withdrawal from the AJ bout).