Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

[jujigatame]

I mean exactly, Quigleys and Keelers aren't getting him anywhere, this is him wanting to actually try to put himself in line for a big fight with time running out in his career.

Janibek is another Liam Williams style defense. It's a tough fight against a good fighter that won't pay much and won't get him any closer to the Canelos/Golovkins/Charlos of the world.

[Enlightened-One]

I mean exactly, Quigleys and Keelers aren't getting him anywhere, this is him wanting to actually try to put himself in line for a big fight with time running out in his career.

Janibek is another Liam Williams style defense. It's a tough fight against a good fighter that won't pay much and won't get him any closer to the Canelos/Golovkins/Charlos of the world.

Andrade’s handler, Eddie Hearn is encouraging Demetrius to duck Alimkhanuly, even though Matchroom are actively doing their upmost to pit Saul Alvarez against other opposition.

Ducking Alimkhanuly doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

Can you not see that simple fact?

[jujigatame]

Sure, but I don't know what that you think that fact means.

They aren't lining him up for right now. But if you make him the WBO mandatory at 168, maybe Canelo goes for it a year down the line. And if he doesn't and Canelo just bins the belt, well then you fight for another vacant belt and call yourself a 3-division champ. There's very little downside to this plan.

[Enlightened-One]

Sure, but I don't know what that you think that fact means.

They aren't lining him up for right now. But if you make him the WBO mandatory at 168, maybe Canelo goes for it a year down the line. And if he doesn't and Canelo just bins the belt, well then you fight for another vacant belt and call yourself a 3-division champ. There's very little downside to this plan.

Ducking Alimkhanuly today doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

His own handlers are trying their best to pit Canelo against other fighters within the Matchroom stable.

It’s not even up for debate, because Matchroom’s two-fight deal they’re offering to Canelo has been heavily covered by the media.

Andrade isn’t on Canelo’s radar.

And ducking Alimkhanuly actually harms Andrade’s reputation.

Demetrius has the worst record for ducking world-rated opposition than any other fighter competing today.

[Bandog]

Sure, but I don't know what that you think that fact means.

They aren't lining him up for right now. But if you make him the WBO mandatory at 168, maybe Canelo goes for it a year down the line. And if he doesn't and Canelo just bins the belt, well then you fight for another vacant belt and call yourself a 3-division champ. There's very little downside to this plan.

Ducking Alimkhanuly today doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

His own handlers are trying their best to pit Canelo against other fighters within the Matchroom stable.

It’s not even up for debate, because Matchroom’s two-fight deal they’re offering to Canelo has been heavily covered by the media.

Andrade isn’t on Canelo’s radar.

And ducking Alimkhanuly actually harms Andrade’s reputation.

Demetrius has the worst record for ducking world-rated opposition than any other fighter competing today.

[margaret thatcher]

demetirus sure aint getting canelo next, and why does he need canelo anyway? sheeyat, the man has a career best win over vanes martirosyan and just beat jason quigley (who apparently was good enough to make this great business man stick around at 160), that's f@cking awesome

[jujigatame]

Sure, but I don't know what that you think that fact means.

They aren't lining him up for right now. But if you make him the WBO mandatory at 168, maybe Canelo goes for it a year down the line. And if he doesn't and Canelo just bins the belt, well then you fight for another vacant belt and call yourself a 3-division champ. There's very little downside to this plan.

Ducking Alimkhanuly today doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

His own handlers are trying their best to pit Canelo against other fighters within the Matchroom stable.

It’s not even up for debate, because Matchroom’s two-fight deal they’re offering to Canelo has been heavily covered by the media.

Andrade isn’t on Canelo’s radar.

And ducking Alimkhanuly actually harms Andrade’s reputation.

Demetrius has the worst record for ducking world-rated opposition than any other fighter competing today.

So moving up to Canelo's weight class for an eliminator to become mandatory for a belt Canelo holds doesn't improve his chances of fighting Canelo?

You are a very silly person. His options are:

1) Take a low profile, tough fight for short money.

2) Take a similar profile fight against a similar level opponent for similar money, but one that perhaps improves his odds of huge future money by 5-10%, with no downside.

The choice is clear.

[margaret thatcher]

im sure moving up will get him the fight no problem, just like he got it spending years around 154-160, fighting cans all while canelo , ggg, cotto, both charlos (he pulled out of a mall fight), etc was there. kinda just seems like a guy comfortable racking up easy defenses vs middling opposition

i guess having gotten big wins against fighters like quigley to advance his career, andrade had accomplished everything possible at 160

[jujigatame]

It's not gonna get him the fight "no problem" but it certainly increases his chances. If Fighter A wants to fight Fighter B, you don't think fighting in a eliminator to become mandatory for a title held by Fighter B is a reasonable course of action?

Canelo can always trash the belt to avoid the mandatory, but then Andrade can just fight for the vacant belt anyway, and then call himself a 3-division champ. It's a win-win for him, there's very little downside.

[margaret thatcher]

i guess when jason quigley, luke keeler, and the 2x leftovers of liam smith are the guys you stuck around in a division to fight, it's hard to do much worse

maybe this time he'll spend as much time doing nothing at 168 as he did at 154-160 when those divisions were stacked. on a mission to build one of the most meaningless 3-division , 30+ wins careers there's been

[Enlightened-One]

Sure, but I don't know what that you think that fact means.

They aren't lining him up for right now. But if you make him the WBO mandatory at 168, maybe Canelo goes for it a year down the line. And if he doesn't and Canelo just bins the belt, well then you fight for another vacant belt and call yourself a 3-division champ. There's very little downside to this plan.

Ducking Alimkhanuly today doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

His own handlers are trying their best to pit Canelo against other fighters within the Matchroom stable.

It’s not even up for debate, because Matchroom’s two-fight deal they’re offering to Canelo has been heavily covered by the media.

Andrade isn’t on Canelo’s radar.

And ducking Alimkhanuly actually harms Andrade’s reputation.

Demetrius has the worst record for ducking world-rated opposition than any other fighter competing today.

So moving up to Canelo's weight class for an eliminator to become mandatory for a belt Canelo holds doesn't improve his chances of fighting Canelo?

You are a very silly person. His options are:

1) Take a low profile, tough fight for short money.

2) Take a similar profile fight against a similar level opponent for similar money, but one that perhaps improves his odds of huge future money by 5-10%, with no downside.

The choice is clear.

Within the next twelve months you’ll concede that Andrade ducked the best fighter competing at 160lbs, in the same way Demetrius previously ducked Jermell Charlo at 154lbs.

Demetrius Andrade is making the jump to 168lbs to continue facing no-hopers, just like he did when he needlessly vacated his WBO and then his WBA titles at 154lbs.

Boo Boo’s own promoter, Eddie Hearn, is trying his upmost to pit Canelo against fighters not-names Demetrius Andrade.

[Enlightened-One]

Instead of fighting Jermell Charlo or Matt Korobov, Demetrius Andrade allowed himself to be stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title and fight Dario Pucheta.

Instead of facing the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification bout, Demetrius Andrade chose to vacate his WBA world “regular” 154lbs title and become inactive.

Instead of fighting Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Demetrius Andrade chose to be inactive and eventually fought Walter Kautondokwa.

Instead of facing Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, Demetrius Andrade is choosing to vacate his WBO world middleweight title and fight Zach Parker.

[Bandog]

If Andrade is successful beating Zach Parker, he becomes the mandatory for Canelo. Even if Canelo then vacates the belt, he has several big money fights that will make way more than he's had at 160. Plant, Benevidez, etc.

He has said he doesn't mind losing to a top guy, but 160 is basically dead for at least a year. The additional 8lbs will make Andrade stronger and have a bit more endurance as well.

[Enlightened-One]

If Andrade is successful beating Zach Parker, he becomes the mandatory for Canelo. Even if Canelo then vacates the belt, he has several big money fights that will make way more than he's had at 160. Plant, Benevidez, etc.

Demetrius Andrade’s own promoter has already admitted he’s not even attempting to make the Canelo bout.

And there were plenty of options at 160lbs for Andrade, but Eddie Hearn couldn’t (or wouldn't) exploit any of them.

There’s no compelling reason for the PBC guys to fight Demetrius Andrade.

Fox, Showtime nor DAZN would be willing to fork out millions to fund cross-promotional cross-network bouts that very few people would watch.

Andrade vacating his world middleweight title to avoid fighting Alimkhanuly is a blatant duck.

[margaret thatcher]

he doesnt mind losing to a top guy? well dude's been pro like 15 years and still hasnt fought one

[Enlightened-One]

The next time we see Andrade enter the ring for his next outing, he would have been competing as a pro for 13½ years, won nine world title fights (three different belts), spanning two weight divisions, whilst enjoying a total combined world title reign of six years and seven months.

• How many times has he defeated a former or a current legitimate world champion during that time?

• How many times has he performed a mandatory title defence?

• How many times has Andrade voluntarily gave up his titles, either due to vacating or due to refusing to compete?

• How many times has Demetrius Andrade stopped a universally-recognised top-ten world-rated opponent during his time competing as a pro?

[Bandog]

The next time we see Andrade enter the ring for his next outing, he would have been competing as a pro for 13½ years, won nine world title fights (three different belts), spanning two weight divisions, whilst enjoying a total combined world title reign of six years and seven months.

• How many times has he defeated a former or a current legitimate world champion during that time?

• How many times has he performed a mandatory title defence?

• How many times has Andrade voluntarily gave up his titles, either due to vacating or due to refusing to compete?

• How many times has Demetrius Andrade stopped a universally-recognised top-ten world-rated opponent during his time competing as a pro?

[jujigatame]

Ducking Alimkhanuly today doesn’t improve Andrade’s chances of facing Canelo.

His own handlers are trying their best to pit Canelo against other fighters within the Matchroom stable.

It’s not even up for debate, because Matchroom’s two-fight deal they’re offering to Canelo has been heavily covered by the media.

Andrade isn’t on Canelo’s radar.

And ducking Alimkhanuly actually harms Andrade’s reputation.

Demetrius has the worst record for ducking world-rated opposition than any other fighter competing today.

So moving up to Canelo's weight class for an eliminator to become mandatory for a belt Canelo holds doesn't improve his chances of fighting Canelo?

You are a very silly person. His options are:

1) Take a low profile, tough fight for short money.

2) Take a similar profile fight against a similar level opponent for similar money, but one that perhaps improves his odds of huge future money by 5-10%, with no downside.

The choice is clear.

Within the next twelve months you’ll concede that Andrade ducked the best fighter competing at 160lbs, in the same way Demetrius previously ducked Jermell Charlo at 154lbs.

Demetrius Andrade is making the jump to 168lbs to continue facing no-hopers, just like he did when he needlessly vacated his WBO and then his WBA titles at 154lbs.

Boo Boo’s own promoter, Eddie Hearn, is trying his upmost to pit Canelo against fighters not-names Demetrius Andrade.

Strange fantasy world you live in.

[Enlightened-One]

So moving up to Canelo's weight class for an eliminator to become mandatory for a belt Canelo holds doesn't improve his chances of fighting Canelo?

You are a very silly person. His options are:

1) Take a low profile, tough fight for short money.

2) Take a similar profile fight against a similar level opponent for similar money, but one that perhaps improves his odds of huge future money by 5-10%, with no downside.

The choice is clear.

Within the next twelve months you’ll concede that Andrade ducked the best fighter competing at 160lbs, in the same way Demetrius previously ducked Jermell Charlo at 154lbs.

Demetrius Andrade is making the jump to 168lbs to continue facing no-hopers, just like he did when he needlessly vacated his WBO and then his WBA titles at 154lbs.

Boo Boo’s own promoter, Eddie Hearn, is trying his upmost to pit Canelo against fighters not-names Demetrius Andrade.

Strange fantasy world you live in.

In the world I live in, the WBO officially confirmed that Demetrius Andrade ducked Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

I predicted this was going to happen two months ago (as per the date I created this thread), because Andrade has a proven track-record for ducking legitimate top-ten world-rated talent.

I even predicted that the WBO would order Zhanibek Alimkhanuly to fight Esquiva Falcao due to Demetrius Andrade’s ducking of his mandatory challenger, before the bout was made official or even discussed by the media.

Are you suggesting this didn’t happen?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Middleweight contender Janibek Alimkhanuly on one big all-Kazakhstan fight that will not happen: Fans ask me why I don't challenge [IBF middleweight champion] Gennady Golovkin to fight? I'll answer. He's my older brother. In Kazakhstan, the elder should be respected, this is our tradition. Maybe some of the fans don't understand that. But everyone knows that tradition must be respected. It's Qazaq style!"

[jujigatame]

Of course it happened. He's not taking the fight. If you want to call that "ducking" that's fine, but there are understandable reasons for it.

You have a very strange pathology of repeating the same shit over and over again, without actually engaging in any actual discussion. You're not here to "discuss" anything, just to blast your opinions at people until they stop bothering to respond.

[tiny_acres]

You have a very strange pathology of repeating the same shit over and over again, without actually engaging in any actual discussion. You're not here to "discuss" anything, just to blast your opinions at people until they stop bothering to respond.

The pure definition of being an insufferable c.unt

[Enlightened-One]

Of course it happened. He's not taking the fight. If you want to call that "ducking" that's fine, but there are understandable reasons for it.

You have a very strange pathology of repeating the same shit over and over again, without actually engaging in any actual discussion. You're not here to "discuss" anything, just to blast your opinions at people until they stop bothering to respond.

I repeatedly convey the same information, because historical events are static in nature.

Andrade ducked Alimkhanuly for no valid reason.

Andrade ducked other top-ten world-rated fighters without having a valid reason.

Andrade vacated multiple world title reigns without having a valid reason.

Do you seriously believe that Zhanibek Alimkhanuly is inferior (in commercial or sporting terms) in comparison to the likes of Zach Parker, Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa?

Those names will be all the opponents Andrade has faced during his four-year spell being promoted by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom USA.

[jujigatame]

Demetrius Andrade is under no obligation to care what you consider a "valid" reason for taking one fight over another. He turns 34 in a month and he's making the move that he thinks gives him the highest probability of big future paydays. It's that simple.

[bjornborgbook]

Yes Andrade is mayweathering Janibek. Could not be any more obvious.