Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Jermall Charlo - Who wins?

[adislav123]

nobody would mock fury if he defends vs. hrgov9v.

a few retarded people in the whole wide world for sure would.

who on here in our little 'boxing universe' would 'mock' fury fighting hrgovic next if usyk or joshua or whyte for whatever retarded reason couldn't be made?

step forward.

[gregregegg]

nobody would mock fury if he defends vs. hrgov9v.

a few retarded people in the whole wide world for sure would.

who on here in our little 'boxing universe' would 'mock' fury fighting hrgovic next if usyk or joshua or whyte for whatever retarded reason couldn't be made?

step forward.

I’d mock him for fighting hrg instead of usyk. But as of yet there is zero good reason for him to do so, so there isn’t much risk of it happening.

[Enlightened-One]

Weirdest rumour… Jake Paul is being mentioned as a potential opponent for Canelo’s next bout.

I just feel that certain media outlets are gullibly buying into the claims conveyed by trolls.

Let’s face it, Canelo ain’t fighting Jake Paul.

[Cent0089]

I still think its going to be Charlo

[Ruthless-RKO]

[gregregegg]

Is matchroom also offering a 1 fight deal for Bivol? because if canelo is trying to go undisputed at 175 the GGG fight is a waste of time.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is matchroom also offering a 1 fight deal for Bivol? because if canelo is trying to go undisputed at 175 the GGG fight is a waste of time.

DAZN offering a two fight deal.

Bivol then GGG.

[gregregegg]

Is matchroom also offering a 1 fight deal for Bivol? because if canelo is trying to go undisputed at 175 the GGG fight is a waste of time.

DAZN offering a two fight deal.

Bivol then GGG.

So if canelo sid "just Bivol" matchroom would say no?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is matchroom also offering a 1 fight deal for Bivol? because if canelo is trying to go undisputed at 175 the GGG fight is a waste of time.

DAZN offering a two fight deal.

Bivol then GGG.

So if canelo sid "just Bivol" matchroom would say no?

Who knows, DAZN will have more on a say probably.. They might want it to be a two fight deal.

[Cent0089]

Silence from Alvarez and potential rivals lasting too long. January is over. What do you guys think of all this?

[apollo creed]

I guess its Charlo at 168.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yup.

“[Jermall] Charlo [is a better fight for Alvarez]. I think a fight Charlo is more media-friendly,” Reynoso told Fight Hub TV. “Charlo is a fighter that sells more, a fighter that more people follow, and because of that it’s a more attractive fight.

“Canelo is at the level where he can fight with anyone. I think the difference will be the weight and we have to be careful with that. He's fighting in weight classes where he feels strong and 168 is where he feels strong.”

[bjornborgbook]

Canelo has all the leverage over everybody and the balance is so lopsided in his favor he can dictate all terms. Canelo earns around$50m a fight, Charlo is lucky if he gets $500k. Mbuchukubu is lucky if he hears $100k. So these guys will get at least $5m to fight Canelo. They want that Canelo jackpot. Does anybody think the Canelo franchise would risk the moneymaker losing to a guy who sells peanuts? Translation: Canelo is never going to lose, same blueprint as Floyd.

[caldo2025]

Does anyone else find it a tad bit odd that Reynoso has come out stating his opinion that Charlo would be best opponent for Canelo? This after Canelo’s been filmed multiple times acting a drunken fool when he’s not on the golf course. We’ve seen this b4 many times and most recently with GGG and Abel Sanchez. These top P4P guys start earning on meteoric levels but trainer percentages don’t change to account for what now brings in 40 million at least.

It may not be anything but I’ve seen it too often. Trainers and Boxers are always on the same page in public perception when relationship is strong. For Reynoso to come out and crap on Canelo’s Mukaboring Cruiserweight cherry pick really has me thinking that there’s trouble atop the pyramid scheme that is boxing and it’s ALWAYS the boxer that fails to share the greater wealth once his paydays get into this range.

[caldo2025]

Yeah I read about that too. Charlo would be a valuable scalp for Canelo in terms of hype. People would praise Canelo more for beating Charlo(US fighter) than beating Makabu.

Texas is where Jermall Charlo currently resides.

Texas has 11½ million Mexican residents.

Texas is where the AT&T stadium is located, which was the venue that allowed Canelo to set the US indoor attendance record of 73K for the Saunders bout.

Simply put: a fight between boxing’s most famous Mexican, which is obviously Canelo, and a world champion from Texas competing in his own backyard, staged during Cinco De Mayo weekend, is going to be a massive commercial success.

Towards the end of 2019, the PBC attempted to get Canelo to agree to signing a two-fight deal with them, with the first opponent being Jermall Charlo.

So Al Haymon’s team have been eager to make the Canelo-Charlo bout for at least two years.

Whilst beating Jermall Charlo doesn’t enhance Canelo’s legacy in any way, it’ll be a massively lucrative stay-busy bout, which is probably the biggest payday opportunity out there for him from those fighters not-named GGG.

It matters not WHERE Canelo fights because he’ll be guaranteed a crapload of money and PPV IS where he’s going to make his riches, not selling 75k tickets. The fight will do millions of buys from a Denny’s parking lot so I highly doubt the percentage of Mexican residents within a bus fare to the ring has anything to do with anything. If Canelo fights Charlo, it will be the biggest fight of 2022. Maybe Fury and Joshua would sniff remotely close to it by years end but people buy Canelo’s PPV fights especially when he’s fighting a stud like Charlo who isn’t exactly a household name here in states. But it doesn’t even matter.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[apollo creed]

Canelo has all the leverage over everybody and the balance is so lopsided in his favor he can dictate all terms. Canelo earns around$50m a fight, Charlo is lucky if he gets $500k. Mbuchukubu is lucky if he hears $100k. So these guys will get at least $5m to fight Canelo. They want that Canelo jackpot. Does anybody think the Canelo franchise would risk the moneymaker losing to a guy who sells peanuts? Translation: Canelo is never going to lose, same blueprint as Floyd.

True, the good thing about Canelo fighting at 168 is that he somehow forces the 175 top dogs to fight each other and stop waiting for Canelo.

I hope Andrade vs Benavidez would fight each other in 2022 to have another good opponent for Canelo at 168.

As I said Charlo is a good scalp for Canelo, in terms of hype.

[Enlightened-One]

Simply put: a fight between boxing’s most famous Mexican, which is obviously Canelo, and a world champion from Texas competing in his own backyard, staged during Cinco De Mayo weekend, is going to be a massive commercial success.

It matters not WHERE Canelo fights because he’ll be guaranteed a crapload of money and PPV IS where he’s going to make his riches, not selling 75k tickets.

Canelo tends to fight in geographic locations where the Hispanics and Latinos comprise a significant portion of the demographic population.

Is that merely a coincidence or did the promoters intentionally stage the events in those venues to optimise revenue generation for themselves and their business partners?

I don’t know for certain the answer to this question, but generally-speaking, I usually don’t believe in coincidences when it comes to business decisions.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo tends to fight in geographic locations where the Hispanics and Latinos comprise a significant portion of the demographic population.

Same thing Mayweather did.. But more for the maximum profits.

His fights with the likes or Cotto, Marquez, Ortiz, Guerrero, Alvarez, Maidana (twice)

The above are all Hispanic/Latino.. All in Vegas, but on the two Mexican holdays.

May and September..

[adislav123]

Simply put: a fight between boxing’s most famous Mexican, which is obviously Canelo, and a world champion from Texas competing in his own backyard, staged during Cinco De Mayo weekend, is going to be a massive commercial success.

It matters not WHERE Canelo fights because he’ll be guaranteed a crapload of money and PPV IS where he’s going to make his riches, not selling 75k tickets.

Canelo tends to fight in geographic locations where the Hispanics and Latinos comprise a significant portion of the demographic population.

Is that merely a coincidence or did the promoters intentionally stage the events in those venues to optimise revenue generation for themselves and their business partners?

I don’t know for certain the answer to this question, but generally-speaking, I usually don’t believe in coincidences when it comes to business decisions.

one question i'd really like you to elaborate on if u would be so kind:

in what 'geographic locations' could the mexican megastar fight where 'the hispanics and latinos DON'T comprise a significant portion of the demographic population'???

[bjornborgbook]

I see more similarities between Canelo and Hulk Hogan and The Rock than with Marvin Hagler, Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran...

[adislav123]

I see more similarities between Canelo and Hulk Hogan and The Rock than with Marvin Hagler, Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran...

now you're being sarcastic! what are you implying numbersboy?

be very careful how you further approach with that shït!

people don't dig that attitude around here.

listen very carefully, we don't like it, not one bit.

don't say you didn't get a fair warning and start crying when shite hits the fan!

you god damn asshole!

i don't know if it's jealousy, desperation, mental health issues or are you full on retarded?

all i know it's sad. you're a very sad individual with a number as a name and i'll be very honest with you.

you're way out of line and i will personally see that u get banned from this forum! for life!

we don't want you here, go back were you came from! you are not fit for our boxrec, no manners whatsoever!

are we clear about that? 600455??? do you understand???

sushhh! don't answer!

[adislav123]

don't misjudge my kindness for weakness!

[adislav123]

glad we got an understanding, numbers!!!

and just so that we are crystal clear on the same page here, boy!!

this is in no way an 'impersonation of a bully' out of a spontaneous fit of madness, oh no babyboy!!!

i'm dead serious!

understood?

[bjornborgbook]

don't misjudge my kindness for weakness!

Of course Canelo appears to be a great fighter. He's super fit, he looks the part, he throws nice combos. But this is a boxing forum and we are allowed to discuss, analyze, question everything. Canelo generates at least ten times more revenue than any other American fighter or rival at 168 0r 175. He is by far the big cheese of Boxing in America right now. By far. He is guaranteed to earn hundreds of millions of $ more if he does not lose. There is no challenger who earns even remotely close to what Canelo can generate. So Canelo has the leverage to call the shots. Beterbiev, Smith, Mchubu, GGG, Charlo all must dance to Canelo's tune. Or they don't get the monster payday, they go back to peanuts.

Saunders got the jackpot and vanished. So did Kovalev. So did the last guy. Why isn't Saunders trying to rebuild and try for a rematch? Beterbiev and Smith and Mchubu earn probably less than a million a fight, Canelo earns around $30-50m. He's a fortune in the bank every time he fights. I'm just saying there is a possibility he could be a protected franchise. And will remain so until a heir apparent money maker arrives on the scene. And as of now there is no one outside Berlanga. The American boxing establishment has no other big money stars that are guaranted jackpots every time they fight. The establishment desperately needs Canelo right now, he's saving the sport in North America. Yes of course there is a good chance Canelo is a hundred percent legit and all his fights are totally real. But there is also a chance he's a controlled franchise asset. We are allowed to discuss this with civility right? Or are we forbidden from critical thinking and questioning certain topics and theories?