HW's Jerry Quarry Vs Ike

[BoxBuzz]

I'm pullin Jerry Quarry out of Moth Balls (in his prime) to see how he does against our favorite Jail Bird.

So does Jerry get the Job Done? Or does I.I. give him another L in his column? Big size difference here.

Jerry has wins over Patterson, Spencer, Foster, Lyle, Shavers. Some of those guys were not small.

He came up short against Ali, Frazier Norton and Chuvalo. Well maybe not Chuvalo, had the fight continued. but that's another story.

Does Jerry have enough of a resume to send the former Commander in Chief into the loser's corner for the first time?



Oh...and if you've been wondering about Ike's current status.....

Ibeabuchi completed his sentence in the Nevada Department of Corrections. Prior to this, Ibeabuchi was moved to the Washoe County Jail on February 28, 2014, and then he was transferred by United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to the Eloy Detention Center in Eloy, Arizona.[6]

Ibeabuchi was released by USCIS in November 2015 as a free man when Nigeria declined to provide travel documents. Ibeabuchi enlisted the help of Mike Koncz, an adviser of Manny Pacquiao, in an attempt to make a boxing comeback. In good health, Ibeabuchi hoped to fight his first comeback bout in the near future, but he was waiting to resolve his immigration and United States citizenship status with USCIS first. He holds a green card and his citizenship was pending only the formal swearing in.[7] However, in April 2016, Ibeabuchi was arrested for violating the conditions of his probation in Gilbert, Arizona, based on an old warrant dating back to 2003 that he claimed to be unaware of.[8]

Ibeabuchi was released on September 23, 2020, from the Arizona State penal system after serving required time, and his probationary status was overturned on appeal. He is being held at the United States Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) in Eloy, Arizona, during the COVID-19 Novel Coronavirus period until his swearing in ceremony and the formal awarding of U.S. citizenship can be scheduled, either while in detainee custody or after final release.

[DrDuke]

Since the Tua bout was so close, Quarry definitely had a lot of chances. He was tough, although not as granite as David, yet he could both take it and bring it. I guess, he could make it a fight and get better of it against Ike.

[goose 5]

Ike destroys him-way too much power and size.

[Cutman Scabbers]

Ike destroys him-way too much power and size.

Jerry was tough, but it wasn't his toughness alone that got him to the dance. He was a very skilled strategist and counter puncher, and his skills are sometimes overlooked. Power and size alone never meant that much against him. Quarry's wins over Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle prove it.

Thanks too for the Ike update!

[goose 5]

Quarry is one of my favorite fighters but when I think of Ike against Tua I just can't see Quarry doing well at all against Ike. Ike went about 235 or 240 and had a great chin and very high punch output. Shavers didn't have the chin or stamina that Ike had and Lyle-to me- hadn't peaked in 1973; though it was still a terrific win for Quarry.

[Ambling Alp II]

It could come down to this:
In real life, Quarry could defeat a contender that weighed 234.5.
But could he defeat the 235 pound Ibeabuchi ?
That half pound could be the distance in a fantasy fight.

[BoxBuzz]

It could come down to this:
In real life, Quarry could defeat a contender that weighed 234.5.
But could he defeat the 235 pound Ibeabuchi ?
That half pound could be the distance in a fantasy fight.

Alp, with you it's always about "the little guy". I admire your integrity and consistency on this subject.

[goose 5]

it's not just the weight-it's Ike's chin and punch output(as I wrote previously) that makes me think he beats Quarry.

[Cutman Scabbers]

it's not just the weight-it's Ike's chin and punch output(as I wrote previously) that makes me think he beats Quarry.

Volume and tenacity are the two factors that seem most to favor an Ike victory: did Quarry handle volume punchers well? Any indication from past performance that these factors (in the form of Ibeabuchi) would be his undoing?

On the other hand, did Ike ever come up against as formidable a counterpuncher as Quarry?

[Ambling Alp II]

Maybe Ibeabuchi would have been able to get the win. It is hard to say since we really have two fights to go off of.
My point is that you can't say a guy can do this and this, and has a weight advantage. The "weight advantage" doesn't help win you the fight. You don't get extra points from the judges for having a weight advantage.

We need to get away from saying so and so has a weight "advantage".

[margaret thatcher]

agree, why do they even have weight classes anyway? 156 pound bob fitzimmons wouldve spanked ike too

[Ambling Alp II]

If you are willing to be open minded, I can explain it to you in different ways.
In basketball, you are comparing two different guys. You think Player A is better than Player B. You point out that Player A gets more rebounds and block shots than player B. (Of course you leave out that Player B had more steals and assists) Do you also say that player A is better is taller? No. You have already pointed out things he does better. Being taller may help him get more rebounds and block shots. But you have already factored that in. If the two guys have identical stats, Player A isn't better because he is taller. they are even. Any nobody argues that.


In boxing, of course on average, a guy weighing 140 is going to beat a guy a guy weighing 120. On average, a guy weighing 180 would beat a guy weighing 160. That is why we have weight classes. The typical advantages of being small (speed, being harder to hit, stamina) don't quite match up to the typical advantages of being bigger. (Power, ability to take a punch etc.)

However, that doesn't go on forever. There is such a thing as an ideal size. In basketball, you don't see too many good player over 7'2. You don't see good quarterback that weigh over 240.

At a certain point, the heavier guy stops winning the majority of the time. This has been proven time again with the only evidence that matter: Head to head matches. Go ahead and find a fight where a great fighter under 200 loses to someone over 220. It simply almost never happens in the real world. Mythical Fights is a different story.

[BoxBuzz]

You speak of an "open mind" as if it's a good thing. I like that! And I agree that it is indeed a good thing!

But.then again...we ARE living in the time of Tyson Fury. And alas....he's a big guy. So these are rough and tumble times for the open minded.

However, I'm going with Jerry....because though I like Ike, I like Jerry even more.

[DrDuke]

It could come down to this:
In real life, Quarry could defeat a contender that weighed 234.5.
But could he defeat the 235 pound Ibeabuchi ?
That half pound could be the distance in a fantasy fight.

Alp, with you it's always about "the little guy". I admire your integrity and consistency on this subject.

Alp is so obssessed with backing little guys up. Sigmund Freud would probably do interesting comments on this subject.

[Cutman Scabbers]

I think Ibeabuchi was way too big, strong, powerful, quick, and talented to lose to Quarry. I envision Ike winning by stoppage. Keep in mind that Jerry was always easy to hit.

My judgment isn't meant as a knock on Jerry Quarry. I think he was pretty good. IMO he was probably the 6th best heavyweight of his era, which is quite a compliment given how competitive the 1970s Ali era was.

However, Jerry was just too small to get the better of Ibeabuchi, who weighed in at around 240 lbs.

Was Jerry Quarry "always easy to hit"?

I've always admired Quarry's head movement, footwork, feints and draws.

He slipped punches and countered very well.

[margaret thatcher]

lol what a bizarre test to use, obviously great or even very good fighters above 220 have a massively favourable record vs guys under 200 as well. the best guys 220+ have pretty much all been around recently enough that good heavys under 200 barely exist anyway. if it was some type of advantage to be that light, you'd see it way more often.


question: where all these sub 200 pounders who could take over heavyweight? why has pretty much no one taken advantage of it in decades and decades to make huge bucks ?are modern light heavies the ideal size for heavyweight?

cruisers today are more like 210 in the ring (then gain some weight when moving to heavy, why on earth would they do that?), so you might have to dip to light heavy to find guys who'd be 200 as heavies

[Cutman Scabbers]

lol what a bizarre test to use, obviously great or even very good fighters above 220 have a massively favourable record vs guys under 200 as well. the best guys 220+ have pretty much all been around recently enough that good heavys under 200 barely exist anyway. if it was some type of advantage to be that light, you'd see it way more often.


question: where all these sub 200 pounders who could take over heavyweight? why has pretty much no one taken advantage of it in decades and decades to make huge bucks ?are modern light heavies the ideal size for heavyweight?

cruisers today are more like 210 in the ring (then gain some weight when moving to heavy, why on earth would they do that?), so you might have to dip to light heavy to find guys who'd be 200 as heavies

After the creation of the cruiserweight division, yes.

Prior to that, no.

Good heavies -- the best heavies, in fact -- around the 200 mark (185 - 215, or as you say, "210 in the ring") were the rule for a long time, not the exception:

Mike Tyson = 215
Larry Holmes = 210/215
Muhammad Ali = 210/215
Joe Louis = 200
Rocky Marciano = 185
Floyd Patterson = 185
Evander Holyfield = 210
Joe Frazier = 205/215
Jersey Joe Walcott = 195
Jack Dempsey = 190
Jack Johnson = 205

It's interesting to see Usyk now as another example of a boxer who has come up from a lower weight class (like Michael Spinks, Evander Holyfield, Floyd Patterson, etc.) and done well at heavyweight.

The bigger guys (230 - 250) were around -- not as many as now -- but were not "massively favourable."

[margaret thatcher]

most recent boxer on that list had his debut like what, 36 years ago?

if being under or around 200 is such a good thing, why is it never happening anymore? why aren't guys that size taking over? why arent light heavys moving up to hw and being the top?

[Cutman Scabbers]

most recent boxer on that list had his debut like what, 36 years ago?

if being under or around 200 is such a good thing, why is it never happening anymore? why aren't guys that size taking over? why arent light heavys moving up to hw and being the top?

Exactly! The cruiserweight division was established in 1979.

It's a very interesting historical/social sport question.

[Cutman Scabbers]

most recent boxer on that list had his debut like what, 36 years ago?

if being under or around 200 is such a good thing, why is it never happening anymore? why aren't guys that size taking over? why arent light heavys moving up to hw and being the top?

Exactly! The cruiserweight division was established in 1979.

It's a very interesting historical/social sport question.

Would be fascinating to see what happens if they got rid of the cruiserweight division.

I'd bet not all the dominant heavies would be over 220.

[margaret thatcher]

i guess usyk is the closest thing since the cw division was at 200. but even as a cruiser he was around 210 in the ring, and was like 221 beating aj

even fields was often around 215...although big daddy bowe, perhaps one of the great shws, edged their meetings

[BoxBuzz]

There really is a physics issue when it comes to size. Pound for pound Welterweight is probably the most "efficient" weight, and with each division above it, things get a bit more slothish.

So the "average size HW may truly remain competitive against the bigger guys due to the principal of "diminishing returns" when it comes to increased size. Sumo's are not the most feared predators on the planet for a reason.....


However, there are exceptions....and Tyson Fury is probably a good example of a freakishly efficient super HW.

[Ambling Alp II]

Fury got a draw against a guy who weighed 212 and was almost knocked out in that fight. Almost got knocked out in the third fight. Wilder had nowhere near the talent of scores of other guys who weighed about the same.

All I am is saying is that throw out the weight on the scales. We should be talking about whether or not the guy has a good jab, a has power, hand speed, defense, chin, accurate puncher etc. The scale doesn't help you win the fight.

[DrDuke]

Fury got a draw against a guy who weighed 212

Pointing at the official decision of this fight is moronic.

was almost knocked out in that fight. Almost got knocked out in the third fight.

And this is double-moronic.

[Ambling Alp II]

My apologies for my reference to the scoring of the first fight. I forgot about the rule that if your guy doesn't get decked, he automatically won the round. Just impossible to imagine giving Wilder three of the other 10 rounds to make a draw. Obviously Fury won all 10. Who could forget all those bombs Fury landed in the first fight.

And Fury never came close to being stopped in either the first or third fights. Those were just optical illusions.
Glad that is all cleared up.