Most Disgraceful ducking? FMJr,Pac,RJjr,DM,JC,SO,ES,TC,VK,TF.

[H8Usernames]

These five fights come to mind and they are all unique and there is a certain amount disgrace attached to each one of those fights.

Floyd Mayweather jr vs Manny Pacquiao
This one is special cause it acctually took place only like 4 or 5 years after the fans wanted to see it happen. Looking back at the way that it happened it's very hard to believe that FMjr could have won it there 4 years earlier. The shame is obviously on FMjr for this one for not making the fight but when one looks at the economic benefit that he received from it then it's very easy to understand that decision.

Joe Calzaghe vs Sven Ottke
This one is the most bizarre. Sven didn’t mind fighting the rest of the division as long as he got his gift decisions but instead of having one last fight and going out with some honor he blatantly ducked Joe and retired. This fight had probably made sense for like 5 years before Svens retirement.

Roy Jones jr vs Darius Michaelsewski
Roy entered the lhw division where there was already a pretty well established lineal champion. Roy defeated many good common opponents way more decisively than DM and then exited to fight a HW belt holder while DM faded and took some losses. This one would have been nice to see, DM wanted it but it kind of looks like he didn't really do his part to get it due to the large purses that he was receiving in Germany. As for RJjr he absolutely did nothing to make this fight happen. An obvious risk vs reward move on his part but not very honorable.

Terrence Crawford vs Errol Spence
This one can still happen and it can't really be claimed yet that TC is past prime. For many years fans have wanted to see this one happen but Errol just loves that easy money way too much to take this fight. Can that go on forever?

Vitaly Klitschko vs Tyson Fury
After Fury got done dominating Chisora what took place was that VK chose Chisora as his opponent instead of TF. And then VK went out with a bang vs the not so alltime great Manuel Charr. This fight probably made sense for like 2-3 years. Shame on VK for not being a real champion.

[Enlightened-One]

Floyd Mayweather jr vs Manny Pacquiao
This one is special cause it acctually took place only like 4 or 5 years after the fans wanted to see it happen. Looking back at the way that it happened it's very hard to believe that FMjr could have won it there 4 years earlier. The shame is obviously on FMjr for this one for not making the fight but when one looks at the economic benefit that he received from it then it's very easy to understand that decision.

In 2010, Manny Pacquiao turned down a guaranteed opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. for a $40m payday, with the financials of that bout having already been agreed, due to refusing to undergo PED testing performed by USADA. There's a YouTube video of him confirming this.

[Enlightened-One]

Terrence Crawford vs Errol Spence
This one can still happen and it can't really be claimed yet that TC is past prime. For many years fans have wanted to see this one happen but Errol just loves that easy money way too much to take this fight. Can that go on forever?

Terence Crawford has included in one of his legal complaints against Top Rank, their failure to make a serious attempt to make the Errol Spence Jr. fight.

No one can be accused of ducking anyone if there isn't even an offer to reject.

[Enlightened-One]

Joe Calzaghe vs Sven Ottke
This one is the most bizarre. Sven didn’t mind fighting the rest of the division as long as he got his gift decisions but instead of having one last fight and going out with some honor he blatantly ducked Joe and retired. This fight had probably made sense for like 5 years before Svens retirement.

Sven Ottke's manager Wilfried Sauerland claimed they made three serious attempts to make the fight, but Calzaghe didn't want to travel to Germany.

Sven Ottke was the commercial A-side at the time.

[Enlightened-One]

Roy Jones jr vs Darius Michaelsewski
Roy entered the lhw division where there was already a pretty well established lineal champion. Roy defeated many good common opponents way more decisively than DM and then exited to fight a HW belt holder while DM faded and took some losses. This one would have been nice to see, DM wanted it but it kind of looks like he didn't really do his part to get it due to the large purses that he was receiving in Germany. As for RJjr he absolutely did nothing to make this fight happen. An obvious risk vs reward move on his part but not very honorable.

Dariusz's promoter, Peter Kohl, offered Roy $5m to go to Germany.

Roy declined that offer.

[Enlightened-One]

Vitaly Klitschko vs Tyson Fury
After Fury got done dominating Chisora what took place was that VK chose Chisora as his opponent instead of TF. And then VK went out with a bang vs the not so alltime great Manuel Charr. This fight probably made sense for like 2-3 years. Shame on VK for not being a real champion.

Vitali Klitschko retired in 2012.

At that point in time, Tyson Fury was simply a UK domestic level fighter.

'The Gypsy King' eventually fought Wladimir Klitschko more than three years after Vitali's retirement from the sport.

[Enlightened-One]

Most Disgraceful...

Your comments in this thread are some of the "most disgracefully" inaccurate claims I've ever read!

[Bandog]

Ducking is EO's specialty. Probably doing his masters thesis on it.

[KiwiRider]

Most Disgraceful...

Your comments in this thread are some of the "most disgracefully" inaccurate claims I've ever read!

But deep down you have enjoyed responding to them

[gilgamesh]

Crawford and Spence because those guys haven't just ducked each other, they've ducked themselves right into not being Superstars that they could potentially be.

When all is said and done, 1 or both of them will be seen forever as a case of wasted talent.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Was Calzaghe who said he was afraid of heights?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Spence dove his car into a tree to duck crawford. Id pick him

[tiny_acres]

Spence dove his car into a tree to duck crawford. Id pick him

damn that's cold

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

All much more complicated than 'ducking'

FMJ-Pac - both really ducked each other. Pacquaio not accepting the PED testing regularly used in other sports. And Mayweather not . I also think the issue was partly in Mayweather and Arum's working relationship. Arum kept complaining about how much Mayweather wanted. Eventually Mayweather got what he wanted all fronts. To an extent I think Arum wanted to keep Pacquaio as his cash cow and argue he was P4P number 1.

Arum would complain Mayweather wanted 100m purse. Eventually Floyd Mayweather earned around $240 million for his fight against Manny Pacquiao. 'PacMan', meanwhile, took home $160 million for his efforts

RJJ-Dariusz M - Neither wanted to fight in the others backyard where the ring, judges and ref would be in the other mans favour. The PPV model wasn't yet developed to compensate either man to give serious compensation. So in essense they wouldn't make much more than regular defences provided. If Dariusz and Jones were both PPV draws in America, it happens, the problem was they weren't.

Calzaghe-Otke - see above. Pretty much the same scenario. If the fight was capable of being a PPV with 20-30m to be made it happens

Crawford vs Errol Spence - it's the same situation. The fight won't generate enough PPVs to give each fighter significantly more than if they make routine defenses.

Vitali - Fury - Fury reckons he was promised a fight with a Klit before the first Chisora fight. Somewhat avoided is fair. I think Fury was in a bit of a 'who needs him' club. He wasn't a massive draw at the time.

Boxing is a business.

[tiny_acres]

All much more complicated than 'ducking'

FMJ-Pac - both really ducked each other. Pacquaio not accepting the PED testing regularly used in other sports. And Mayweather not . I also think the issue was partly in Mayweather and Arum's working relationship. Arum kept complaining about how much Mayweather wanted. Eventually Mayweather got what he wanted all fronts. To an extent I think Arum wanted to keep Pacquaio as his cash cow and argue he was P4P number 1.

Arum would complain Mayweather wanted 100m purse. Eventually Floyd Mayweather earned around $240 million for his fight against Manny Pacquiao. 'PacMan', meanwhile, took home $160 million for his efforts

RJJ-Dariusz M - Neither wanted to fight in the others backyard where the ring, judges and ref would be in the other mans favour. The PPV model wasn't yet developed to compensate either man to give serious compensation. So in essense they wouldn't make much more than regular defences provided. If Dariusz and Jones were both PPV draws in America, it happens, the problem was they weren't.

Calzaghe-Otke - see above. Pretty much the same scenario. If the fight was capable of being a PPV with 20-30m to be made it happens

Crawford vs Errol Spence - it's the same situation. The fight won't generate enough PPVs to give each fighter significantly more than if they make routine defenses.

Vitali - Fury - Fury reckons he was promised a fight with a Klit before the first Chisora fight. Somewhat avoided is fair. I think Fury was in a bit of a 'who needs him' club. He wasn't a massive draw at the time.

Boxing is a business.

Good post. There are so many reasons that we as fans only can speculate on.
Money, location, TV contracts, managerial disputes, timing.
I wish it was different but it is what it is

[KiwiRider]

I know he isn't on the poll, but let's not forget Aduckis Chickenson

[H8Usernames]

I know he isn't on the poll, but let's not forget Aduckis Chickenson

True. Adonis Stevenson belongs on the list with probably many others. Adonis was such a low profile fighter however that I can't remember who he was ducking or fuc ing, was it Chad Dawson or Jean Pascal?

It was also rather shameful how Ricky Hatton ducked Junior Witter and Oscar De La Hoya. Okay duck Witter since it's not exactly the biggest payday out there and fighting him will destroy your career but who else on earth ever ducked Oscar De La Hoya?

[Enlightened-One]

I know he isn't on the poll, but let's not forget Aduckis Chickenson

True. Adonis Stevenson belongs on the list with probably many others. Adonis was such a low profile fighter however that I can't remember who he was ducking or fuc ing, was it Chad Dawson or Jean Pascal?

You guys have short memories.

The likes of Jean Pascal, Sergey Kovalev, Marcus Browne, Sullivan Barrera, Andrzej Fonfara and Eleider Alvarez all refused to exploit opportunities that could have led them to challenge for Adonis Stevenson’s WBC 175lbs world title.

It surprises me to see you guys unaware of easily accessible information that’s generally regarded as common knowledge.

[bobcatbox]

Floyd ducking Shane as long as he did was his most awful yet ingenious duck ever. Those two fighting somewhere between 1999 - 2007 would’ve been absolutely beautiful.

[KiwiRider]

I know he isn't on the poll, but let's not forget Aduckis Chickenson

True. Adonis Stevenson belongs on the list with probably many others. Adonis was such a low profile fighter however that I can't remember who he was ducking or fuc ing, was it Chad Dawson or Jean Pascal?

You guys have short memories.

The likes of Jean Pascal, Sergey Kovalev, Marcus Browne, Sullivan Barrera, Andrzej Fonfara and Eleider Alvarez all refused to exploit opportunities that could have led them to challenge for Adonis Stevenson’s WBC 175lbs world title.

It surprises me to see you guys unaware of easily accessible information that’s generally regarded as common knowledge.

I just look at the amount of time Stevenson held that belt, and who he fought to defend it, and who he didn't. It was the mkst protected belt in boxing at that time. Why do you think he was called Aduckis Chickenson?
No matter what, fights get made if they want to be made. Simple as that. And eventually he lost the belt to a low level operator because he held onto it so long, father time got him and not the opponent.
Shame he got badly hurt though.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Wbc made sergey the mandatory. Duva admitted if it went to purse bid and haymon won (he would have) sergey would have to turn it down because he was exclusive with hbo

Stevenson went to showtime for more money

Really just business prevented it from happening

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... -bid-order

In hindsight Stevenson would have kod kovalev in my opinion. He was better and kovalev had a suspecr chin

[margaret thatcher]

i dunno, kovalev fighting basically evenly with ward ( i thought kov won first time, 115-112) is a serious serious showing for me. at that point he could box really well and punch too. back then i think he'd have been sharp enough to beat any stevenson. even years later, jean pascal, twice battered to stoppage defeat by unbeaten kov, was beating top 10 rated guys and never stopped by anyone else. i dont agree steve was better, but of course he'd always have a big ko chance

the 2 alvarez losses kov went down hard, but i think kov was already past his best. even then, basically at the end of the line and all sorts of personal issues, he did better vs canelo than anyone canelo has fought since at least ggg. you could easily have had vodka breath edging it at the time of the stoppage in the 11th

kov vs steve is a shame it never happened. two big punchers with boxing skills too. would've had all the titles on the line. f@cking boxing !!

[margaret thatcher]

i agree though, there wasn't ducking

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

i dunno, kovalev fighting basically evenly with ward ( i thought kov won first time, 115-112) is a serious serious showing for me. at that point he could box really well and punch too. back then i think he'd have been sharp enough to beat any stevenson. even years later, jean pascal, twice battered to stoppage defeat by unbeaten kov, was beating top 10 rated guys and never stopped by anyone else. i dont agree steve was better, but of course he'd always have a big ko chance

the 2 alvarez losses kov went down hard, but i think kov was already past his best. even then, basically at the end of the line and all sorts of personal issues, he did better vs canelo than anyone canelo has fought since at least ggg. you could easily have had vodka breath edging it at the time of the stoppage in the 11th

kov vs steve is a shame it never happened. two big punchers with boxing skills too. would've had all the titles on the line. f@cking boxing !!

Yep.