Whyte is winning the mental fight vs Fury

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Whyte is winning the mental fight vs Fury

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By Scoop Malinowski

Vitali Klitschko once said the psychological part of the fight starts long before the first bell. And this week there were a couple of interesting mini battles in the overall war of Dillian Whyte vs Tyson Fury and from my view, both were won by Dillian Whyte.

Whyte has decided he doesn’t want to waste any of his time and energy doing a press conference with Fury to promote the April 23 fight. Whyte presumably feels he should be paid extra for doing any promoting of the fight. Fury has responded in mockery, insulting his rival that he is starting a go fund me for Whyte which he will donate 47 pence to “the sausage.” But when you think about it, Whyte is actually right. If Fury wants 80 percent of the WBC purse split, which he’s getting (thanks to the WBC), shouldn’t he be doing 80 percent of the promoting? Damn right. So why is Whyte needed at the press conference? Fury and his team all said Whyte is not a draw as his last purses indicate. So why do they need Whyte to promote the fight? Fury is the big sell, let him do all the talking. Whyte’s unexpected defiance is a victory of sorts. Because Fury would prefer Whyte to obey all orders and obligations.

Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
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It's probably irrelevant, as I doubt it has any impact on the fight.

Having said that whytes probably doing the right thing not engaging.
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600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47Whyte is winning the mental fight vs Fury
There is no “mental fight”.

Dillian Whyte got low-balled by Team Fury.

According to the WBC’s own rules, he should have received at least 30% as the mandatory challenger or 45% as the interim champion.

Instead, Whyte is being forced to only take 20%.

Dillian Whyte’s purse is fixed. He doesn’t receive any commission from gate receipts or PPV revenue.

There is no point in him promoting the fight and lining the pockets of the people that low-balled him.

So if Dillian Whyte is choosing to be silent, it’ll be because he wants the event to be a commercial failure, resulting in the people that low-balled him making a loss.

If Team Fury need Dillian Whyte to promote the fight and engage in trash talking against Tyson, they’ll need to pay him extra, because he’s not obliged to sell the bout.
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How good is Dillian at trash talking? How much interest could he generate by participating in press conferences?

This makes the bout much more interesting really and can be used to market it more than a normal participation in promoting would.
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The fight is already sold, it's already fascinating. Though it would be extra special to have a couple of wild chaotic press conferences, this fight does not need it. Everybody knows the grudge is there. Whyte is showing his intelligence by bypassing being a part of Fury's next media circus event.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 16:28
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47Whyte is winning the mental fight vs Fury
There is no “mental fight”.

Dillian Whyte got low-balled by Team Fury.

According to the WBC’s own rules, he should have received at least 30% as the mandatory challenger or 45% as the interim champion.

Instead, Whyte is being forced to only take 20%.

Dillian Whyte’s purse is fixed. He doesn’t receive any commission from gate receipts or PPV revenue.

There is no point in him promoting the fight and lining the pockets of the people that low-balled him.

So if Dillian Whyte is choosing to be silent, it’ll be because he wants the event to be a commercial failure, resulting in the people that low-balled him making a loss.

If Team Fury need Dillian Whyte to promote the fight and engage in trash talking against Tyson, they’ll need to pay him extra, because he’s not obliged to sell the bout.
Agree with it all except there is a mental fight. Tarver psyched out Jones during the mental fight stage. So did Hopkins wiht just about all his opponents. So did early Tyson. I believe Fury's confidence psyched out Wladimir before the fight even started in the ring. There are many fights where the pre fight mind games influence and transfer into the ring. There's a reason Mayweather would never fight Margarito, Williams, undefeated Cotto, prime Pacquiao. Even very good fighters can be psyched out by an extremely confident fearless wrecking machine.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 14:52 It's probably irrelevant, as I doubt it has any impact on the fight.

Having said that whytes probably doing the right thing not engaging.
Yes, he's not cooperating with what Fury wants and Fury is bothered by it. It shows Fury is not in control. And this mental factor may transfer into the actual fight. Fury is confused by Whyte and his unpredictable nature.

Fury is the hunted now he's feeling the heat!
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600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 17:35
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 14:52 It's probably irrelevant, as I doubt it has any impact on the fight.

Having said that whytes probably doing the right thing not engaging.
Yes, he's not cooperating with what Fury wants and Fury is bothered by it. It shows Fury is not in control. And this mental factor may transfer into the actual fight. Fury is confused by Whyte and his unpredictable nature.

Fury is the hunted now he's feeling the heat!
So..... you are buddies with Dillian or just a huge fan or something and you want to help build up this fight and are desperatly hoping that Whyte wins etc. This is all good really but Fury will never fear the man who lost to Chisora and Povetkin. It's just not gonna happen.
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H8Usernames wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 18:48
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 17:35
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 14:52 It's probably irrelevant, as I doubt it has any impact on the fight.

Having said that whytes probably doing the right thing not engaging.
Yes, he's not cooperating with what Fury wants and Fury is bothered by it. It shows Fury is not in control. And this mental factor may transfer into the actual fight. Fury is confused by Whyte and his unpredictable nature.

Fury is the hunted now he's feeling the heat!
So..... you are buddies with Dillian or just a huge fan or something and you want to help build up this fight and are desperatly hoping that Whyte wins etc. This is all good really but Fury will never fear the man who lost to Chisora and Povetkin. It's just not gonna happen.
A champion boxer never shows fear, he is a master of disguising it. He must cover it up. Fury knows what happened when he sparred Whyte. Fury knows how tough, strong and F****** obsessively determined Whyte is to win the title. Fury is playing it all off as a big joke like he could do with wilder but Whyte is a totally different animal. Fury knows it. This is the ultimate challenge of Fury's life. Let's see if he can overcome it.

Fear examples in boxing... Floyd being confronted by Margarito at the De La Hoya-Mayorga press conference....Floyd being contronted by Pacquiao at the Miami Heat game... Michael Spinks face as he walked to the ring on June 16, 1988 in Atlantic City.... Floyd being asked by Brian Kenny on ESPN why won't he fight Miguel Cotto... Bernard Hopkins on challenging Adamek for the cruiserweight title and then changing his mind and then ignoring Team Adamek's approaches and requests to know why he changed his mind... Floyd ducking Pacquiao for six years using a litany of different excuses and reasons to duck... Golota vs Lennox Lewis... Kermit Cintron vs Paul Williams... some of Mike Tyson's sparring partners in Catskills after seeing him hit the heavy bag or after a round of sparring, they left the gym and didn't ask to get paid.... Haye vs Wladimir, faked an injury to get out of the first fight, then boxed and run to survive when they finally got the Hayefaker in the ring...
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600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 19:29
H8Usernames wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 18:48
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 17:35

Yes, he's not cooperating with what Fury wants and Fury is bothered by it. It shows Fury is not in control. And this mental factor may transfer into the actual fight. Fury is confused by Whyte and his unpredictable nature.

Fury is the hunted now he's feeling the heat!
So..... you are buddies with Dillian or just a huge fan or something and you want to help build up this fight and are desperatly hoping that Whyte wins etc. This is all good really but Fury will never fear the man who lost to Chisora and Povetkin. It's just not gonna happen.
A champion boxer never shows fear, he is a master of disguising it. He must cover it up. Fury knows what happened when he sparred Whyte. Fury knows how tough, strong and F****** obsessively determined Whyte is to win the title. Fury is playing it all off as a big joke like he could do with wilder but Whyte is a totally different animal. Fury knows it. This is the ultimate challenge of Fury's life. Let's see if he can overcome it.

Fear examples in boxing... Floyd being confronted by Margarito at the De La Hoya-Mayorga press conference....Floyd being contronted by Pacquiao at the Miami Heat game... Michael Spinks face as he walked to the ring on June 16, 1988 in Atlantic City.... Floyd being asked by Brian Kenny on ESPN why won't he fight Miguel Cotto... Bernard Hopkins on challenging Adamek for the cruiserweight title and then changing his mind and then ignoring Team Adamek's approaches and requests to know why he changed his mind... Floyd ducking Pacquiao for six years using a litany of different excuses and reasons to duck... Golota vs Lennox Lewis... Kermit Cintron vs Paul Williams... some of Mike Tyson's sparring partners in Catskills after seeing him hit the heavy bag or after a round of sparring, they left the gym and didn't ask to get paid.... Haye vs Wladimir, faked an injury to get out of the first fight, then boxed and run to survive when they finally got the Hayefaker in the ring...
What on earth is wrong? Does spouting nonsense somehow help you cope with reality?

How will it effect you if Fury just toys with Whyte or if Whyte performs disgracefully? You seem to have alot of emotions invested in this fight.
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H8Usernames wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 19:37
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 19:29
H8Usernames wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 18:48

So..... you are buddies with Dillian or just a huge fan or something and you want to help build up this fight and are desperatly hoping that Whyte wins etc. This is all good really but Fury will never fear the man who lost to Chisora and Povetkin. It's just not gonna happen.
A champion boxer never shows fear, he is a master of disguising it. He must cover it up. Fury knows what happened when he sparred Whyte. Fury knows how tough, strong and F****** obsessively determined Whyte is to win the title. Fury is playing it all off as a big joke like he could do with wilder but Whyte is a totally different animal. Fury knows it. This is the ultimate challenge of Fury's life. Let's see if he can overcome it.

Fear examples in boxing... Floyd being confronted by Margarito at the De La Hoya-Mayorga press conference....Floyd being contronted by Pacquiao at the Miami Heat game... Michael Spinks face as he walked to the ring on June 16, 1988 in Atlantic City.... Floyd being asked by Brian Kenny on ESPN why won't he fight Miguel Cotto... Bernard Hopkins on challenging Adamek for the cruiserweight title and then changing his mind and then ignoring Team Adamek's approaches and requests to know why he changed his mind... Floyd ducking Pacquiao for six years using a litany of different excuses and reasons to duck... Golota vs Lennox Lewis... Kermit Cintron vs Paul Williams... some of Mike Tyson's sparring partners in Catskills after seeing him hit the heavy bag or after a round of sparring, they left the gym and didn't ask to get paid.... Haye vs Wladimir, faked an injury to get out of the first fight, then boxed and run to survive when they finally got the Hayefaker in the ring...
What on earth is wrong? Does spouting nonsense somehow help you cope with reality?

How will it effect you if Fury just toys with Whyte or if Whyte performs disgracefully? You seem to have alot of emotions invested in this fight.
Fury certainly can rise to the challenge and if he does it will be his career best win after outboxing Wladimir, wilder was nothing. Fury knows he will have to be at his best and in his best shape to fight Whyte. Gonna be a great fight, may the best man win.
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Scoop aka 600450 should stick to writing about tennis.
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Fights aren't won on Twitter, dude. Remember, Whyte is going into this fight with damn near ever disadvantage outside of a puncher's chance. On-point Fury is probably the worst stylistic matchup he could've asked for. He only has a puncher's chance here.
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Fury already looks in better shape than he's been for years. So there's no denying he's taking this very seriously.

He's probably going to try to be very mobile against Whyte but Dillian will be ready.

You can't underestimate Fury, not after the second Wilder fight, but if Fury doesn't have the firepower to worry Whyte he's in danger of going down.

My only concern for Whyte is the additional pressure that comes with getting so close to the summit.
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Thomastearns wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 06:52 Fury already looks in better shape than he's been for years. So there's no denying he's taking this very seriously.

He's probably going to try to be very mobile against Whyte but Dillian will be ready.

You can't underestimate Fury, not after the second Wilder fight, but if Fury doesn't have the firepower to worry Whyte he's in danger of going down.

My only concern for Whyte is the additional pressure that comes with getting so close to the summit.
Or that pressure could bring out his very best. He's waited a long time for a high profile superfight like this. Some guys explode like nuclear bombs when the pressure and stakes are higher, they just won't be denied... Lennox vs Ruddock, Mayorga vs Forrest, Duran vs Leonard 1, Pavlik vs Taylor, Dempsey vs Willard...
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600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47
Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
Nah, Fury if nothing else doesn't lack confidence :lol:

He also boxed southpaw against Chisora. He can switch between each stances effortlessly. Fighting southpaw against rugged pressure fighters has its advance. Fury learnt the Wincobank/Ingles switch hitting footwork I believe.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 12:06
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47
Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
Nah, Fury if nothing else doesn't lack confidence :lol:

He also boxed southpaw against Chisora. He can switch between each stances effortlessly. Fighting southpaw against rugged pressure fighters has its advance. Fury learnt the Wincobank/Ingles switch hitting footwork I believe.
Everybody has their bogeyman. Fury certainly has someone out there who has his number and who can penetrate his psyche and instill some fear and doubt into the deep recesses of his heart and soul. Though Fury is a fine actor and capable of disguing his self doubts to most of the peanut gallery. Every man, every fighter has somebody out there who is their superior in some way. Roy had his Tarver, Toney had his Roy, Ali had his Holmes, Wladimir had his Fury, Duran had his Hearns ....

Whyte has said he manhandled Fury in sparring. He doesn't make a big deal of it, he only drops hints of it as if to remind Fury about it. Whyte is very clever fellow.
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600450 wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 14:02
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 12:06
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47
Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
Nah, Fury if nothing else doesn't lack confidence :lol:

He also boxed southpaw against Chisora. He can switch between each stances effortlessly. Fighting southpaw against rugged pressure fighters has its advance. Fury learnt the Wincobank/Ingles switch hitting footwork I believe.
Everybody has their bogeyman. Fury certainly has someone out there who has his number and who can penetrate his psyche and instill some fear and doubt into the deep recesses of his heart and soul. Though Fury is a fine actor and capable of disguing his self doubts to most of the peanut gallery. Every man, every fighter has somebody out there who is their superior in some way. Roy had his Tarver, Toney had his Roy, Ali had his Holmes, Wladimir had his Fury, Duran had his Hearns ....

Whyte has said he manhandled Fury in sparring. He doesn't make a big deal of it, he only drops hints of it as if to remind Fury about it. Whyte is very clever fellow.
Even if I accept Fury has a bogeyman, it's not going to be Dillian Whyte. I could see an argument for Usyk with his stamina, pace and skills, even though I'd pick Fury. I can see maybe a case for one of the new young bloods coming through and a Fury on the decline getting done by a skillful younger hungrier man. But Whyte doesn't do anything very well compared to the level Fury is at. His hand speed is way slower than Fury's, he doesn't have a high workrate or amazing stamina, he's easy to hit, he's much shorter with less reach, his footspeed is way slower than Fury's. What else, he has a much worse jab, he has little head movement. All that makes him a pretty static plodding punch bag. And he's been knocked out twice already.

Compare the Fury-Chisora and Whyte-Chisora fights. Fury didn't get out of second gear and boxed as a southpaw while easily dominating while Whyte went life and death twice in a row arguably losing the first and scoring a somewhat lucky stoppage when behind in the rematch IIRC.

As for sparring stories, it's sparring, it's not a fight, boxers use them to practise. Let us even suppose Whyte's recollection of events is true. Half the time top boxers go very easy in sparring, they don't put weight behind their punches. Firstly in terms of boxing manners, it's bad form to beat up on smaller worse boxers. If you have one boxer going light while another lesser boxer goes hard trying to prove something, sometimes the lesser boxer comes out on top.

I got my nose broke by a far worse boxer once when I was boxing his head off very easily with light punches, he was shit and really easy to outbox. But because we didn't have a ref and we agreed to break, he hit me quickly on the break several times. If we had a ref it doesn't happen who breaks us it doesn't happen. It can happen all the time that one boxer wants light work focusing on their skills and another wants to try and prove something.

As for Whyte being a 'clever fellow', fornicate me how low are your standards for intelligence mate :lol:
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 12:06
600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47
Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
Nah, Fury if nothing else doesn't lack confidence :lol:

He also boxed southpaw against Chisora. He can switch between each stances effortlessly. Fighting southpaw against rugged pressure fighters has its advance. Fury learnt the Wincobank/Ingles switch hitting footwork I believe.
One of his latest clips is him working the pads (hard) in the southpaw stance. I think he released it in response to Whyte. He is also very good at psychological warfare.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 21 Feb 2022, 17:11
600450 wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 14:02
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: 20 Feb 2022, 12:06

Nah, Fury if nothing else doesn't lack confidence :lol:

He also boxed southpaw against Chisora. He can switch between each stances effortlessly. Fighting southpaw against rugged pressure fighters has its advance. Fury learnt the Wincobank/Ingles switch hitting footwork I believe.
Everybody has their bogeyman. Fury certainly has someone out there who has his number and who can penetrate his psyche and instill some fear and doubt into the deep recesses of his heart and soul. Though Fury is a fine actor and capable of disguing his self doubts to most of the peanut gallery. Every man, every fighter has somebody out there who is their superior in some way. Roy had his Tarver, Toney had his Roy, Ali had his Holmes, Wladimir had his Fury, Duran had his Hearns ....

Whyte has said he manhandled Fury in sparring. He doesn't make a big deal of it, he only drops hints of it as if to remind Fury about it. Whyte is very clever fellow.
Even if I accept Fury has a bogeyman, it's not going to be Dillian Whyte. I could see an argument for Usyk with his stamina, pace and skills, even though I'd pick Fury. I can see maybe a case for one of the new young bloods coming through and a Fury on the decline getting done by a skillful younger hungrier man. But Whyte doesn't do anything very well compared to the level Fury is at. His hand speed is way slower than Fury's, he doesn't have a high workrate or amazing stamina, he's easy to hit, he's much shorter with less reach, his footspeed is way slower than Fury's. What else, he has a much worse jab, he has little head movement. All that makes him a pretty static plodding punch bag. And he's been knocked out twice already.

Compare the Fury-Chisora and Whyte-Chisora fights. Fury didn't get out of second gear and boxed as a southpaw while easily dominating while Whyte went life and death twice in a row arguably losing the first and scoring a somewhat lucky stoppage when behind in the rematch IIRC.

As for sparring stories, it's sparring, it's not a fight, boxers use them to practise. Let us even suppose Whyte's recollection of events is true. Half the time top boxers go very easy in sparring, they don't put weight behind their punches. Firstly in terms of boxing manners, it's bad form to beat up on smaller worse boxers. If you have one boxer going light while another lesser boxer goes hard trying to prove something, sometimes the lesser boxer comes out on top.

I got my nose broke by a far worse boxer once when I was boxing his head off very easily with light punches, he was shit and really easy to outbox. But because we didn't have a ref and we agreed to break, he hit me quickly on the break several times. If we had a ref it doesn't happen who breaks us it doesn't happen. It can happen all the time that one boxer wants light work focusing on their skills and another wants to try and prove something.

As for Whyte being a 'clever fellow', fornicate me how low are your standards for intelligence mate :lol:
Sorry to hear your got your snoot socked, you should have remembered the old cliche, Protect yourself at all times.

Whyte is better than you give him credit for. Wilder flat out shamefully ducked Whyte for three years, that right there tells you how good Whyte is. Haymon and wilder even rigged the WBC to blockade Whyte from the title shot he earned and paid for. Fascinated to see if Fury has enough left to handle Whyte, it will be a great fight, the hype so far has been fantastic and Whyte hasn't even said a word in months.
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Another strange sign of weakness from Fury yesterday...

“Deontay Wilder would put his fist through the back of Dillian Whyte’s face. Who’s ever avoided Dillian Whyte…? I don’t know anyone. Dave Allen fought him with about 8 fights under his belt. He didn’t do anything with Dave. He tried to outbox Dave ‘cos he couldn’t manhandle him. Dereck Chisora didn’t avoid him. WHO’s avoided him…? He was offered the shot at Joshua and he turned it down - the rematch. He was offered a shot at Andy Ruiz, he was offered a shot at Luis Ortiz, he turned that down. So I don’t know who’s avoided him. He even didn’t want to fight Otto Wallin. If anyone (sic) , he’s avoided everybody else..”

Ruis and Ortiz ducked Whyte. Whyte smarly declined AJ for about $7m because he knew he would beat Wilder and if Wilder was offered $120 to fight AJ, Whyte figured it would be far more rewarding to beat Wilder for wbc title first and then challenge AJ. Ruiz and Ortiz only called out Whyte when they knew he was busy with another opponent. When Whyte called them out and they ducked.

For Fury to be trying to discredit Whyte by big upping wilder makes no sense. Fury knows wilder was protected from Whyte for three years. It's a sign of weakness that he's trying to discredit Whyte. If he was so self confident he would not need to put Whyte down with words, just try to do it with actions. Fury is SCARED of Whyte, I'm more convinced each week. Fury keeps behaving strangely regarding Whyte.
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600450 wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 13:47 By Scoop Malinowski

Vitali Klitschko once said the psychological part of the fight starts long before the first bell. And this week there were a couple of interesting mini battles in the overall war of Dillian Whyte vs Tyson Fury and from my view, both were won by Dillian Whyte.

Whyte has decided he doesn’t want to waste any of his time and energy doing a press conference with Fury to promote the April 23 fight. Whyte presumably feels he should be paid extra for doing any promoting of the fight. Fury has responded in mockery, insulting his rival that he is starting a go fund me for Whyte which he will donate 47 pence to “the sausage.” But when you think about it, Whyte is actually right. If Fury wants 80 percent of the WBC purse split, which he’s getting (thanks to the WBC), shouldn’t he be doing 80 percent of the promoting? Damn right. So why is Whyte needed at the press conference? Fury and his team all said Whyte is not a draw as his last purses indicate. So why do they need Whyte to promote the fight? Fury is the big sell, let him do all the talking. Whyte’s unexpected defiance is a victory of sorts. Because Fury would prefer Whyte to obey all orders and obligations.

Second, Fury just released an intense training video of him boxing southpaw and hitting the pads from the new stance. It looks like an attempt by Fury to intimidate Whyte. Fury tweeted that he’s probably “gonna do southpaw this fight to show the world how good I am.” But under all the bluster and bragging and bravado, is it actually a sign of weakness from Fury? Why does Fury feel the need to do something different for this fight vs Whyte? Won’t the right handed stance be enough to score the victory?

These fight hype incidents may be minor or even meaningless displays of colorful machismo. But outward form can deceive many, and rare is the mind that can discern what is carefully concealed within.

Fury’s intent with this may also be serious strategic power plays, and carefully calculated mind games by a champion who though he pretends to be extremely arrogant, cocky and impervious of any self doubt, beneath the facade he may actually be more concerned and even deeply worried by the arsenal and mental strength and burning desire inside the obsessed, ‘willing to die to win’ heart of Dillian Whyte.

My scorecard so far in the pre-fight mind games aspect of this WBC Heavyweight title fight is 10-9 for Whyte so far.
What a load of low IQ clueless crap
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No he isn’t.
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Noxy wrote: 22 Feb 2022, 15:19No he isn’t.
Fury has been talking down Whyte as a bum for two years now. Now that Whyte has signed, Fury suddenly is going dark and totally dedicating training - but why ifhe told us Whyte is only an overrated bum? Why does he have to train so hard and not do social media for two months straight?

Fury knows Whyte is the most dangerous fight of his life. He knows 100 percent dedication and training is the only way he can win. Whyte's quiet confidence has shown Fury is a lying faking double talking hypocrite.
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No! Whyte’s only just signed. All the jostling, mind games etc haven’t even started yet.
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