Thomastearns wrote: ↑20 Feb 2022, 06:38
Khan looked real nervous and scared going out into the ring.
As if it had finally dawned on him that maybe Brook wasn't finished after all.
As if he should have insisted on dragging Brook down to 147lbs instead of just having the £100,000 penalty per any extra pound over 149.
Those 2 extra pounds seemed to spare Brook some dangerous weight cutting.
Kell Brook was doing really well against both Crawford and Spence before the stoppages. The one against Crawford looked so unusual for Brook who was winning up till that point and had previously taken GGGs best shots.
I think it's pretty clear that Kell Brook should not fight at 147 again.
As for Khan he once again fought the wrong fight with no plan b. It was always going to be hard resisting getting in close and keeping it at distance as he was probably advised to. Brook did cut the ring off well but whatever happened to Khan's jab?
A very brave performance by Amir Khan and the stoppage was not a moment too late.
Nice Post
Also - where were Khan's combinations? It was fast 2/3&4 punch combos we knew him for.
Couldn’t get into the groove.
He did throw a few in rd1, but they were from a distance and not effective.
I think he was very cautious of Brook’s power from the start.
By round 3-4, the combo’s were not there.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 19:53
I think Khan wanted to continue.
He probably would have lost to Brook anyway, but there weren’t any facial indications of him pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
You can show me the video of Khan begging the ref to stop the fight if you disagree.
I said "body language" by which I purely mean "my impression" - of course it was subjective. However, he was not throwing any punches and was getting beaten up, badly. Ref made the right decision and I have zero problems with it. Khan's chances were close to zero and his chances for severe brain damage were high.
We mostly agree.
But suggesting that Khan psychologically quit is wrong, when even you concede there’s no facial proof of him pleading the referee to stop the fight.
You’re entitled to dislike Khan, but you’re being dishonest to suggest he quit, simply because he was getting beaten up.
Have you ever seen Gatti-Ward?
A lot of fighters get hurt and don’t want to be “rescued”, even if they’re on the receiving end of a pummelling.
I do not dislike Khan and I did not suggest he quit. You're seeing things. All I meant was that Khan looked like defeated man with no answer to what was happening to him. He also pretty much stopped throwing punches which made him look like he didn't want to be there anymore.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 19:53
I think Khan wanted to continue.
He probably would have lost to Brook anyway, but there weren’t any facial indications of him pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
You can show me the video of Khan begging the ref to stop the fight if you disagree.
I said "body language" by which I purely mean "my impression" - of course it was subjective. However, he was not throwing any punches and was getting beaten up, badly. Ref made the right decision and I have zero problems with it. Khan's chances were close to zero and his chances for severe brain damage were high.
We mostly agree.
But suggesting that Khan psychologically quit is wrong, when even you concede there’s no facial proof of him pleading the referee to stop the fight.
You’re entitled to dislike Khan, but you’re being dishonest to suggest he quit, simply because he was getting beaten up.
Have you ever seen Gatti-Ward?
A lot of fighters get hurt and don’t want to be “rescued”, even if they’re on the receiving end of a pummelling.
There you have it folks. No facial proof! You have to have facial proof. (deer in the headlights looks don't count, nor does bambi legs)
TempleSlave wrote: ↑20 Feb 2022, 19:16
I said "body language" by which I purely mean "my impression" - of course it was subjective. However, he was not throwing any punches and was getting beaten up, badly. Ref made the right decision and I have zero problems with it. Khan's chances were close to zero and his chances for severe brain damage were high.
We mostly agree.
But suggesting that Khan psychologically quit is wrong, when even you concede there’s no facial proof of him pleading the referee to stop the fight.
You’re entitled to dislike Khan, but you’re being dishonest to suggest he quit, simply because he was getting beaten up.
Have you ever seen Gatti-Ward?
A lot of fighters get hurt and don’t want to be “rescued”, even if they’re on the receiving end of a pummelling.
There you have it folks. No facial proof! You have to have facial proof. (deer in the headlights looks don't count, nor does bambi legs)
He said Khan quit and he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
That didn’t happen in any version of reality.
But judging by tone of your comment, you seriously believe it did!
Looking at it again (thanks Ruthy), Khan really should have jumped all over Brook after wobbling him in the 1st. After that, it was it's all over now baby blue.
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022, 19:00
Looking at it again (thanks Ruthy), Khan really should have jumped all over Brook after wobbling him in the 1st. After that, it was it's all over now baby blue.
Thing is Khan got wobbled that round too, he was very cautious of Brook’s power.
The Gratest wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022, 19:00
Looking at it again (thanks Ruthy), Khan really should have jumped all over Brook after wobbling him in the 1st. After that, it was it's all over now baby blue.
Thing is Khan got wobbled that round too, he was very cautious of Brook’s power.
Looking at it again, Brook never actually got wobbled in the first.
It didn't happen.
He doesn't, but don't worry yourself mate, he does this all the time.
You never mentioned anything about 'facial proof' but he did, and now thinks if he mentions it repeatedly it will somehow be taken as part of one of your posts. He makes stuff like this up all the time.
You agree there was no facial proof of Khan pleading with the ref to stop the fight, yet you claimed the following:
TempleSlave wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 19:21
It may have seemed like premature stoppage but Khan’s body language said “please make it stop”.
Fighters get beaten up. It’s the very nature of the sport.
There was nothing about Khan’s face that could reasonably compel anyone into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
It didn’t happen.
Again, do you understand what's the meaning of the phrase "body language"?
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022, 21:01
You agree there was no facial proof of Khan pleading with the ref to stop the fight, yet you claimed the following:
Fighters get beaten up. It’s the very nature of the sport.
There was nothing about Khan’s face that could reasonably compel anyone into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
It didn’t happen.
Again, do you understand what's the meaning of the phrase "body language"?
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
His trainer (can't remember his name) recently said he was ready to throw in the towel if it wasn't stopped. Perhaps they seen the body language of getting the crap beat out of him as a reason? Khan has guts, but sometimes that is nothing more than lack of brains.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Feb 2022, 21:01
You agree there was no facial proof of Khan pleading with the ref to stop the fight, yet you claimed the following:
Fighters get beaten up. It’s the very nature of the sport.
There was nothing about Khan’s face that could reasonably compel anyone into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight.
It didn’t happen.
Again, do you understand what's the meaning of the phrase "body language"?
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
TempleSlave wrote: ↑24 Feb 2022, 07:47
Again, do you understand what's the meaning of the phrase "body language"?
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
His trainer (can't remember his name) recently said he was ready to throw in the towel if it wasn't stopped. Perhaps they seen the body language of getting the crap beat out of him as a reason? Khan has guts, but sometimes that is nothing more than lack of brains.
Fighters get beaten up. It happens.
The fact that Amir’s trainer was considering throwing in the towel definitely doesn’t justify any fückïng moronic accusations of Khan pleading woth the referee to stop the fight!!!!!!!!
It didn’t happen!
FFS! Every time a fighter gets stopped by the ref, are you going to accuse that fighter of quitting?
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Feb 2022, 10:02
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
His trainer (can't remember his name) recently said he was ready to throw in the towel if it wasn't stopped. Perhaps they seen the body language of getting the crap beat out of him as a reason? Khan has guts, but sometimes that is nothing more than lack of brains.
Fighters get beaten up. It happens.
The fact that Amir’s trainer was considering throwing in the towel definitely doesn’t justify any fückïng moronic accusations of Khan pleading woth the referee to stop the fight!!!!!!!!
It didn’t happen!
FFS! Every time a fighter gets stopped by the ref, are you going to accuse that fighter of quitting?
Wtf is wrong with you dude. Just admit you are wrong and move on.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Feb 2022, 10:02
What was it specifically about Amir Khan's "body language" that compelled you into believing he was pleading with the referee to stop the fight?
You've already conceded it wasn't his face.
And what was different about his actions as opposed to any other fighter (who you feel wasn't quitting) that was also in distress and getting beaten up by their opponent?
I really do think you're resorting to the "quitter" slur based on nothing but your personal dislike of the man.
For sure, you're entitled to dislike Khan, but to pretend he's a quitter due to your belief about him "pleading with the ref to stop the fight" is utterly ridiculous!
Khan had not thrown a punch for 45 seconds when the fight was stopped and was simply covering up and running. The ref stopped it because Khan wasn't punching back. I don't know if I'd call it quiting but he pretty much gave up going into survival mode. Plus boxers know a fight is getting stopped if you don't punch back. I'd like to have seen Khan try to throw the left hook to the body to try and push the puncher back and throw combinations to back kell up from the early going. But he never tried that anytime in the fight despite alouding it would be his game plan in fight week. Kell had better timing and skills anyway so it might not have made much difference.
Also I will say Khan should of had Roach training him for this fight. Roach did iron out some of Khan's amateur mistakes (slightly), but to try and train with Crawford is basically like Hatton trying to shoulder roll. Again I don't think it makes a difference to the result at all.
It appears that Amir Khan has decided to exercise his immediate rematch clause.
Apparently he feels hard done by, due to his belief that he only had ten weeks to prepare, whereas Kell Brook had six months.
When I first heard the news, I thought it was simply a cheeky attempt to persuade Eddie Hearn to pay Khan a step-aside fee (to orchestrate the Benn-Brook bout).
But apparently Amir really does want the rematch.
Perhaps the promoters are contractually-obliged to pay Khan a huge purse for the rematch?
And if that’s the case, then I can understand the reason why Khan would be motivated to face Brook again.
Amir Khan has always been a “PRIZE fighter”, rather than a “PRIDE fighter”. He only competes for the pay cheque.
R1 was a glimmer of that.
