Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - OFF

[margaret thatcher]

kov is what, almost 39? no surprise lhw would be hard for him these days, even were he not such a vodka lover

[Enlightened-One]

Sorry to just pick on this pal, His manager said he walks around at 200, but he has struggled to make 175 for ages.

Kovalev previously claimed he made weight rather easily.

How previous are we talking tho?

His manager claimed this recently.

His rehydration ring weight for most of his title bouts was around the 185lbs mark or less.

He was also the long-time IBF champion (i.e. 10lbs second day weigh-in rules).

I believe Krusher told the media he was well under 185lbs mark several weeks prior to the Yarde fight.

Put it this way, Team Krusher were either lying about Kovalev’s weight back then or they’re lying now.

I suspect it’s the latter, based on Sergey’s age and terrible lifestyle.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kovalev previously claimed he made weight rather easily.

How previous are we talking tho?

His manager claimed this recently.

His rehydration ring weight for most of his title bouts was around the 185lbs mark or less.

He was also the long-time IBF champion (i.e. 10lbs second day weigh-in rules).

I believe Krusher told the media he was well under 185lbs mark several weeks prior to the Yarde fight.

Put it this way, Team Krusher were either lying about Kovalev’s weight back then or they’re lying now.

I suspect it’s the latter, based on Sergey’s age and terrible lifestyle.

Yeh I mean at the time they wouldn’t want any one thinking he’s struggling to make weight.

Makes you look weak.

[Lackeos]

Fanlong Meng's padded resume makes him look like the 175lbs Chinese equivalent of Mark de Mori, except he's more feather-fisted.

That's not a padded resume, you dolt. He literally only has 17 fights on his resume, and his quality of opposition is about the same as Makhmudov's or Zhang's. A padded resume would be Wilder's resume through the end of 2012, who amassed 25 wins before fighting an opponent with a boxrec rating greater than 1.

[The Gratest]

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

Straight from the horses mouth.

[Enlightened-One]

Fanlong Meng's padded resume makes him look like the 175lbs Chinese equivalent of Mark de Mori, except he's more feather-fisted.

That's not a padded resume, you dolt... his quality of opposition is about the same as Makhmudov's or Zhang's.

Both of those guyys you've mentioned have padded resumes.

Filip Hrgovic has a padded resume.

Daniel Dubois had a padded resume prior to the Joe Joyce loss.

Efe Ajagba had a padded resume prior to the Frank Sanchez loss.

Anthony Yarde had a padded resume prior to the Sergey Kovalev loss.

Steve Rolls had a padded resume prior to the GGG loss.

And I'll consider Fanlong Meng to have a padded resume until he's been beaten by Krusher.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fanlong Meng's padded resume makes him look like the 175lbs Chinese equivalent of Mark de Mori, except he's more feather-fisted.

That's not a padded resume, you dolt... his quality of opposition is about the same as Makhmudov's or Zhang's.

Both of those guyys you've mentioned have padded resumes.

Filip Hrgovic has a padded resume.

Daniel Dubois had a padded resume prior to the Joe Joyce loss.

Efe Ajagba had a padded resume prior to the Frank Sanchez loss.

Anthony Yarde had a padded resume prior to the Sergey Kovalev loss.

Steve Rolls had a padded resume prior to the GGG loss.

And I'll consider Fanlong Meng to have a padded resume until he's been beaten by Krusher.

So majority of boxers starting up have a padded resume until they step up a certain level?

There are probably a small number of boxers based on your criteria who didn't have a padded record prior to stepping up.

BTW, I don't disagree with the names you've mentioned.

With Meng, the Frank Buglioni win wasn't bad, but he's a domestic level boxer..

[Enlightened-One]

So majority of boxers starting up have a padded resume until they step up a certain level?

After a couple of years' worth of time competing as a pro, then I'd say yes.

To illustrate the point I’m making, I’ll quote some timelines:

• Fanlong Meng has been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years.

• Dubois, Ajagba, Makhmudov and Hrgovic will be celebrating five years of competing in the paid ranks within the next few months.

• Steve Rolls is on the cusp of celebrating his eleventh-year anniversary competing as a pro.

• Anthony Yarde will be celebrating seven years competing in the paid ranks in May.

• Zhilei Zhang will be celebrating his eighth-year anniversary competing as a pro in six months’ time.

These guys aren’t novices. In terms of timescales, they're experienced pros with very weak resumes.

The only reason why most of these guys are perceived as being "inexperienced" (i.e. lacking depth in their resumes), is not due to the lack of time competing as a pro, instead it’s because they've been protected, by mostly engaging in mismatches.

Anyway, I really don't understand the reason why Lackeos is accusing me of being a "dolt", because Fanlong Meng has been competing as a pro for more than seven years.

And his career-best performances came against another fighter with a padded resume, Adam Deines, coupled with stopping the badly faded Frank Buglioni (who was only ever a top-ten UK domestic level fighter at his best).

Am I missing something? Does Lackeos know something about Fanlong Meng we don't?

[Enlightened-One]

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

Straight from the horses mouth.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights is usually around the 185lbs mark or less.

Anyway, Klimas is not Kovalev. They're completely different people.

This video is straight from the horses mouth:

[The Gratest]

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

Straight from the horses mouth.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights is usually around the 185lbs mark or less.

Anyway, Klimas is not Kovalev. They're completely different people.

This video is straight from the horses mouth:

Strange, you used to try and state that Egil Klimas was that proverbial horses mouth. Then again, you never did manage to post up his quotes.
The light heavyweight title is contested at 175lbs kid, do your research. You new to boxing? It kinda shows.

[Enlightened-One]

Straight from the horses mouth.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights is usually around the 185lbs mark or less.

Anyway, Klimas is not Kovalev. They're completely different people.

This video is straight from the horses mouth:

Strange, you used to try and state that Egil Klimas was that proverbial horses mouth. Then again, you never did manage to post up his quotes.
The light heavyweight title is contested at 175lbs kid, do your research. You new to boxing? It kinda shows.

Who is more qualified to talk about Sergey Kovalev, than Sergey Kovalev?

[The Gratest]

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights is usually around the 185lbs mark or less.

Anyway, Klimas is not Kovalev. They're completely different people.

This video is straight from the horses mouth:

Strange, you used to try and state that Egil Klimas was that proverbial horses mouth. Then again, you never did manage to post up his quotes.
The light heavyweight title is contested at 175lbs kid, do your research. You new to boxing? It kinda shows.

Who is more qualified to talk about Sergey Kovalev, than Sergey Kovalev?

Kinda depends on the subject kid. So what does he say in this video that you feel is important? I'm assuming you now have the ability to quote from videos again after your previous Egil Klimas failure?

PS here's the link back to when Egil was your most favoured horse's mouth source. If you ever do feel like attempting to quote his words directly then don't be shy and hide again.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=248795&hilit=Horses&start=25

[Enlightened-One]

Strange, you used to try and state that Egil Klimas was that proverbial horses mouth. Then again, you never did manage to post up his quotes.
The light heavyweight title is contested at 175lbs kid, do your research. You new to boxing? It kinda shows.

Who is more qualified to talk about Sergey Kovalev, than Sergey Kovalev?

Kinda depends on the subject kid. So what does he say in this video that you feel is important? I'm assuming you now have the ability to quote from videos again after your previous Egil Klimas failure?

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=248795&hilit=Horses&start=25

Egis Kilmas is Sergey Kovalev’s manager.

His role is to manage contractual stipulations, such as rehydration clauses, because that’s part of his job. That’s one of the main reasons why he’s employed by Krusher!

So if we’re discussing contractual issues relating to Sergey Kovalev, anything he says should be regarded as being conveyed by the proverbial “horse’s mouth.”

Sergey Kovalev is a human being that manages his own weight via a combination of diet and exercise. He decides what type of food he consumes and also the amount he eats.

He monitors his own body weight by standing on weighing scales. Nobody else can do that for him!

So if we’re discussing matters related to Sergey Kovalev’s own body weight, anything he says about himself should be regarded as being conveyed by the proverbial “horse’s mouth.”

I really can’t believe I had to explain such simple concepts to you!

Are you intellectually subnormal?

If you are, then I am willing to consider providing you with private tuition classes (for the right price of course) to help improve your ability to comprehend simple concepts.

[The Gratest]

Who is more qualified to talk about Sergey Kovalev, than Sergey Kovalev?

Kinda depends on the subject kid. So what does he say in this video that you feel is important? I'm assuming you now have the ability to quote from videos again after your previous Egil Klimas failure?

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=248795&hilit=Horses&start=25

Egis Kilmas is Sergey Kovalev’s manager.

His role is to manage contractual stipulations, such as rehydration clauses, because that’s part of his job. That’s one of the main reasons why he’s employed by Krusher!

So if we’re discussing contractual issues relating to Sergey Kovalev, anything he says should be regarded as being conveyed by the proverbial “horse’s mouth.”

Sergey Kovalev is a human being that manages his own weight via a combination of diet and exercise. He decides what type of food he consumes and also the amount he eats.

He monitors his own body weight by standing on weighing scales. Nobody else can do that for him!

So if we’re discussing matters related to Sergey Kovalev’s own body weight, anything he says about himself should be regarded as being conveyed by the proverbial “horse’s mouth.”

I really can’t believe I had to explain such simple concepts to you!

Are you intellectually subnormal?

If you are, then I am willing to consider providing you with private tuition classes (for the right price of course) to help improve your ability to comprehend simple concepts.

So, this is a repeat of the Egil Klimas situation. You've posted up a seemingly worthless video which you can't provide any meaningful quotes from?
You could easily have saved yourself a lot of uneeded typing there kid and admitted it.

As for the last part, well for being intellectually subnormal, I appear to have the ability to smack your precious little butt in any debates, so don't put yourself down like that kid.

Lol

[The Gratest]

So, nothing. As I suspected, another repeat of the Egil Klimas unable to quote situation. These victories are getting easier and easier kid.

[Lackeos]

Anyway, I really don't understand the reason why Lackeos is accusing me of being a "dolt"

Because you don't know what padding a resume is. First of all, you need to be familiar with what padding is. Like, a padded bra has extra material to make your cup size look bigger than it is. Padding a resume is when a fighter's course of matchmaking differs from standard matchmaking by significantly piling-up easy wins against bums to inflate the total number of wins without any difficulty. First, you have to have some sort of baseline knowledge of how matchmaking progresses throughout the course of a normal career; which is knowledge that you haven't seemed to gain despite typing over a million words on here. If you don't know what a normal resume looks like, then you won't be equipped to identify which fighters are deviating from the norm. The fact that you said Filip Hrgovic has a padded resume just makes it worse. Having stalled progress relative to years pro doesn't constitute padding. It's the opposite -- the faster that you're piling-up easy wins, the more you're padding your record. As a matter of rate, several of the guys you named have like 2 wins per year, and a padded resume would have like 7-8 easy wins per year in the early years of the pro career. Hrgovic, especially early in his career, had a resume that was a lot more ambitious than average. Fighting Zumbano in your first fight, Pavel Sour in your second fight, Sean Turner in your fourth fight, Amir Mansour in your fifth, Kevin Johnson in your sixth... that's not padding your resume. One of the key identifiers of a padded resume should be that you have a f*cking ton of wins relative to your rating, so a 14-fight pro like Hrgovic who's ranked in the top 50 can't have a padded resume.

Let's look at some resumes that actually are padded. Mark De Mori's resume is definitely padded. He had a 39-2-2 record, and a lot of his later opponents (beside Haye) had boxrec ratings like 0, 0, .02, .002, .002 again, .001, .038, .046, .002 again, .01, 0, and .007. THAT'S PADDING. He fluffed-up his resume with 12 wins, 10 of which didn't have a rating > .02, and none of whom had a rating > .046. He had tons of wins, but he was scoring wins against opponents who often had less than 1% of his own boxrec rating. Looking at it another way, De Mori had 38 wins against opponents with ratings < 1, and 1 win against an opponent with rating > 1. By comparison, Hrgovic has 7 wins against opponents with ratings < 1, and 7 wins against opponents with ratings > 1.

-De Mori fought opponents with ratings less than 5% of his own rating 35 times, which accounts for 89.7% of all of his wins. Hrgovic fought opponents with ratings less than 5% of his own rating 5 times, which accounts for 35.7% of all of his wins. So Hrgovic padded his resume a lot less than De Mori did both in total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Now let's look at Deontay Wilder's resume (42-2-1). Wilder fought an opponent with rating less than 5% of his own rating 36 times (including all of his first 30 fights), which is 85.7% of his total wins. Again, Wilder padded his resume a lot more than Hrgovic did in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Now we'll do David Rodriguez's resume (37-2). 31 of Rodriguez's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of Rodriguez's rating, which is 83.8% of his total wins. Again, he padded his resume a lot more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Next up is Donnell Holmes (34-2-2). 28 of Donnell's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 82.4% of his total wins. Again, he padded his resume more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Getting away from bottomfeeders and back to champions, next is Nikolay Valuev (50-2). 33 of Nikolay's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 66% of his total wins. So Valuev padded his record more than Hrgovic did in all respects, but he wasn't as bad as anyone else I've addressed so far.
-Now we'll look at Chauncy Welliver (57-13-5). 30 of Chauncy's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 52.6% of his total wins. Still a worse record-padder than Hrgovic in all respects, but not as bad as Valuev in terms of total volume, proportionally, or per year.
-Next is Luis Ortiz (33-2). 23 of Luis's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 69.7% of his total wins. Again, he has padded his record a lot more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.

Now I'll look at some of the other fighters you named and see how they stack up.
-Efe Ajagba (15-1). 8 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 53.3% of his total wins.
-Daniel Dubois (17-1). 9 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 52.9% of his total wins.
-Arslanbek Makhmudov (14-0). 8 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 57% of his total wins.
-Fanlong Meng (17-0). 12 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 70.6% of his total wins.

This is bearing in mind that fighters usually front-load all of their easy fights in the first 20 years of their pro career, and none of these fighters have retired yet. Since Ajagba, Dubois, Makhmudov, Meng, and Hrgovic have an average of 15.4 wins, let's see how many easy opponents show-up in the first 15 fights of some champions.
-Floyd Mayweather Jr. 14 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 93.3% of those fights.
-Miguel Cotto. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.
-Manny Pacquiao. 10 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 66%.
-Gennady Golovkin. 10 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 66%.
-Saul Alvarez. 14 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 93.3%.
-Tyson Fury. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.
-Terence Crawford. 15 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 100%.
-Oleksandr Usyk. 8 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 53.3%.
-Errol Spence. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.

In conclusion, to have a padded record, you pretty much need more than 85% of your first 20 wins to be easy wins, or you need more than 45% of wins in your total career to be easy wins. And the more the better, so > 20 easy wins in a whole career. If you retire with a 5-0 record, and 3 of those wins are easy wins, then you don't have a very padded record. It's all about the proportion, total volume, and annual rate of easy wins; and relative to what stage of your career you're in. And by easy, we're talking about REALLY EASY, but there's almost no fighters with a high win percentage who are taking evenly matched fights every fight of their career starting from the beginning.

[margaret thatcher]

the lhw version of de mori is someone more like Nils Schmidt a sub 200 guy who feasts endlessly on utterly dire journeyman. opponents records are like a sea of red and beaten as soon as faced someone with a quarter of a pulse

i think everyone gets that meng's record isnt great and haha at kovalev etc, so no need to exaggerate really

[Enlightened-One]

Anyway, I really don't understand the reason why Lackeos is accusing me of being a "dolt"

Because you don't know what padding a resume is. First of all, you need to be familiar with what padding is. Like, a padded bra has extra material to make your cup size look bigger than it is. Padding a resume is when a fighter's course of matchmaking differs from standard matchmaking by significantly piling-up easy wins against bums to inflate the total number of wins without any difficulty. First, you have to have some sort of baseline knowledge of how matchmaking progresses throughout the course of a normal career; which is knowledge that you haven't seemed to gain despite typing over a million words on here. If you don't know what a normal resume looks like, then you won't be equipped to identify which fighters are deviating from the norm. The fact that you said Filip Hrgovic has a padded resume just makes it worse. Having stalled progress relative to years pro doesn't constitute padding. It's the opposite -- the faster that you're piling-up easy wins, the more you're padding your record. As a matter of rate, several of the guys you named have like 2 wins per year, and a padded resume would have like 7-8 easy wins per year in the early years of the pro career. Hrgovic, especially early in his career, had a resume that was a lot more ambitious than average. Fighting Zumbano in your first fight, Pavel Sour in your second fight, Sean Turner in your fourth fight, Amir Mansour in your fifth, Kevin Johnson in your sixth... that's not padding your resume. One of the key identifiers of a padded resume should be that you have a f*cking ton of wins relative to your rating, so a 14-fight pro like Hrgovic who's ranked in the top 50 can't have a padded resume.

Let's look at some resumes that actually are padded. Mark De Mori's resume is definitely padded. He had a 39-2-2 record, and a lot of his later opponents (beside Haye) had boxrec ratings like 0, 0, .02, .002, .002 again, .001, .038, .046, .002 again, .01, 0, and .007. THAT'S PADDING. He fluffed-up his resume with 12 wins, 10 of which didn't have a rating > .02, and none of whom had a rating > .046. He had tons of wins, but he was scoring wins against opponents who often had less than 1% of his own boxrec rating. Looking at it another way, De Mori had 38 wins against opponents with ratings < 1, and 1 win against an opponent with rating > 1. By comparison, Hrgovic has 7 wins against opponents with ratings < 1, and 7 wins against opponents with ratings > 1.

-De Mori fought opponents with ratings less than 5% of his own rating 35 times, which accounts for 89.7% of all of his wins. Hrgovic fought opponents with ratings less than % of his own rating 5 times, which accounts for 35.7% of all of his wins. So Hrgovic padded his resume a lot less than De Mori did both in total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Now let's look at Deontay Wilder's resume (42-2-1). Wilder fought an opponent with rating less than 5% of his own rating 36 times (including all of his first 30 fights), which is 85.7% of his total wins. Again, Wilder padded his resume a lot more than Hrgovic did in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Now we'll do David Rodriguez's resume (37-2). 31 of Rodriguez's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of Rodriguez's rating, which is 83.8% of his total wins. Again, he padded his resume a lot more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Next up is Donnell Holmes (34-2-2). 28 of Donnell's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 82.4% of his total wins. Again, he padded his resume more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.
-Getting away from bottomfeeders and back to champions, next is Nikolay Valuev (50-2). 33 of Nikolay's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 66% of his total wins. So Valuev padded his record more than Hrgovic did in all respects, but he wasn't as bad as anyone else I've addressed so far.
-Now we'll look at Chauncy Welliver (57-13-5). 30 of Chauncy's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 52.6% of his total wins. Still a worse record-padder than Hrgovic in all respects, but not as bad as Valuev in terms of total volume, proportionally, or per year.
-Next is Luis Ortiz (33-2). 23 of Luis's wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 69.7% of his total wins. Again, he has padded his record a lot more than Hrgovic in terms of total volume, proportionally, and per year.

Now I'll look at some of the other fighters you named and see how they stack up.
-Efe Ajagba (15-1). 8 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 53.3% of his total wins.
-Daniel Dubois (17-1). 9 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 52.9% of his total wins.
-Arslanbek Makhmudov (14-0). 8 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 57% of his total wins.
-Fanlong Meng (17-0). 12 of his wins came against opponents who were less than 5% of his rating, which is 70.6% of his total wins.

This is bearing in mind that fighters usually front-load all of their easy fights in the first 20 years of their pro career, and none of these fighters have retired yet. Since Ajagba, Dubois, Makhmudov, Meng, and Hrgovic have an average of 15.4 wins, let's see how many easy opponents show-up in the first 15 fights of some champions.
-Floyd Mayweather Jr. 14 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 93.3% of those fights.
-Miguel Cotto. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.
-Manny Pacquiao. 10 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 66%.
-Gennady Golovkin. 10 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 66%.
-Saul Alvarez. 14 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 93.3%.
-Tyson Fury. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.
-Terence Crawford. 15 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 100%.
-Oleksandr Usyk. 8 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 53.3%.
-Errol Spence. 12 of his first 15 wins were against opponents with less than 5% of his rating, which is 80%.

In conclusion, to have a padded record, you pretty much need more than 85% of your first 20 wins to be easy wins, or you need more than 45% of wins in your total career to be easy wins. And the more the better, so > 20 easy wins in a whole career. If you retire with a 5-0 record, and 3 of those wins are easy wins, then you don't have a very padded record. It's all about the proportion, total volume, and annual rate of easy wins; and relative to what stage of your career you're in. And by easy, we're talking about REALLY EASY, but there's almost no fighters with a high win percentage who are taking evenly matched fights every fight of their career starting from the beginning.

In conclusion, even though the 34 year old Fanlong Meng has been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years, he still has a terribly padded resume.

How many YEARS does a fighter need to continue engaging in mismatches before they deserve to be criticised for possessing a padded record?

And before you respond…. we’re discussing a 34 year old fighter that’s been competing as a pro for more than SEVEN YEARS!!!!

If you feel that age and time are irrelevant to this discussion, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “dolt”!

[Lackeos]

the lhw version of de mori is someone more like Nils Schmidt a sub 200 guy who feasts endlessly on utterly dire journeyman. opponents records are like a sea of red and beaten as soon as faced someone with a quarter of a pulse

Yeah, Nils Schmidt is like De Mori. Probably worse actually. I'll counter with 33-3 Emil Markic.

[Lackeos]

In conclusion, even though the 34 year old Fanlong Meng has been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years, he still has a terribly padded resume.

How many YEARS does a fighter need to continue engaging in mismatches before they deserve to be criticised for possessing a padded record?

And before you respond…. we’re discussing a 34 year old fighter that’s been competing as a pro for more than SEVEN YEARS!!!!

If you feel that age and time are irrelevant to this discussion, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “dolt”!

You're just disproving your own point. A 34-year-old fighter with a padded record should have a record like 35-1 with like maybe 1 win against an opponent with boxrec rating > 1. Fanlong Meng is only 17-0 and has already beaten 5 opponents with rating > 1, including an opponent with a 9.267 rating. The fact that Fanlong has so FEW wins for a 34-year-old is exactly what proves that he has the polar opposite of a padded record. In fact, it's extremely clear that you didn't learn at all what a padded record is from my post, which means you either didn't read it, or aren't capable of learning. More easy wins per unit time = more padded. Fewer easy wins per unit time = less padded. The older he is, the less padded a 17-0 record looks. The more years pro he is, the less padded a 17-0 record looks. If you want to prove your point that his record is padded, you should be telling me about how he's only 20 years old, already has a 22-0 record, and hasn't fought anyone with a boxrec rating greater than 5% of his own rating. What you're doing is the exact opposite. Literally disproving the point you wish you were making.

Based on your lack of grasp of what padding is, I assume you're either not a native English speaker; or you're from a country that doesn't have padded bras or padded resumes. So I have to inform you that padding doesn't mean what you think it means. You're looking for a term like... stalled career or totally normal resume.

[Enlightened-One]

In conclusion, even though the 34 year old Fanlong Meng has been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years, he still has a terribly padded resume.

How many YEARS does a fighter need to continue engaging in mismatches before they deserve to be criticised for possessing a padded record?

And before you respond…. we’re discussing a 34 year old fighter that’s been competing as a pro for more than SEVEN YEARS!!!!

If you feel that age and time are irrelevant to this discussion, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “dolt”!

You're just disproving your own point. A 34-year-old fighter with a padded record should have a record like 35-1 with like maybe 1 win against an opponent with boxrec rating > 1. Fanlong Meng is only 17-0 and has already beaten 5 opponents with rating > 1, including an opponent with a 9.267 rating. The fact that Fanlong has so FEW wins for a 34-year-old is exactly what proves that he has the polar opposite of a padded record. In fact, it's extremely clear that you didn't learn at all what a padded record is from my post, which means you either didn't read it, or aren't capable of learning. More easy wins per unit time = more padded. Fewer easy wins per unit time = less padded. The older he is, the less padded a 17-0 record looks. The more years pro he is, the less padded a 17-0 record looks. If you want to prove your point that his record is padded, you should be telling me about how he's only 20 years old, already has a 22-0 record, and hasn't fought anyone with a boxrec rating greater than 5% of his own rating. What you're doing is the exact opposite. Literally disproving the point you wish you were making.

A 34 year old fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than seven years and continually engages in mismatches is someone that deserves to be described as having a padded record.

Stop giving me BoxRec numbers and provide a valid counter-argument about Meng facing credible world-rated opposition!!!!

And if you can’t do that rather simple thing, then can you at least tell me what has Meng been up to for the last seven years or so, apart from facing lacklustre opposition?

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A 34 year old fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than seven years and continually engages in mismatches is someone that deserves to be described as having a padded record.

Mismatches relative to what? Your opinion? Have you done any research into the norms of matchmaking for fighters of approximately his ranking? Because adjacently-ranked fighters like Umar Salamov and Nadjib Mohammedi aren't beating anyone better than Adam Deines. Although, Mohammedi is catching plenty of L's against higher-rated opponents.

Stop giving me BoxRec numbers

You mean factual evidence to measure record-padding? As opposed to your factually unsupported opinion about what constitutes record padding?

and provide a valid counter-argument about Meng facing credible world-rated opposition!!!!

#17-ranked contenders don't always have any fights against world class opponents. Ekow Essuman doesn't, Michael McKinson doesn't, Michael Magnesi doesn't, Giovanni Cabrera doesn't. But whether they do or not, you're trying to change the subject. We're debating what constitutes record padding. We're not debating a claim of whether he's fought world class opponents. We'll never be debating that, because this started with a debate about who pads their records, and I won't be tricked into moving off of that subject.

And if you can’t do that rather simple thing, then can you at least tell me what has Meng been up to for the last seven years or so, apart from facing lacklustre opposition?

People with padded records are often up to a lot of beating easy opponents. Piling up TONS of easy wins to PAD their record. You're right, Meng hasn't been up to much. He hasn't been doing much record-padding, for instance.

[Enlightened-One]

Stop giving me BoxRec numbers

You mean factual evidence to measure record-padding? As opposed to your factually unsupported opinion about what constitutes record padding?

OK, so can you please explain the reason why you seriously believe BoxRec’s rating points to be a reliable and a factually accurate barometer to determine a fighter’s pugilistic ability?

But before you answer, please review their current pound-for-pound ratings.

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Stop giving me BoxRec numbers

You mean factual evidence to measure record-padding? As opposed to your factually unsupported opinion about what constitutes record padding?

OK, so can you please explain the reason why you seriously believe BoxRec’s rating points to be a reliable and a factually accurate barometer to determine a fighter’s pugilistic ability?

But before you answer, please review their current pound-for-pound ratings.

BoxRecs P4P is crap, but their rating system isn't too bad. His points were well thought out and researched. Stop being a twat.

[Enlightened-One]

You mean factual evidence to measure record-padding? As opposed to your factually unsupported opinion about what constitutes record padding?

OK, so can you please explain the reason why you seriously believe BoxRec’s rating points to be a reliable and a factually accurate barometer to determine a fighter’s pugilistic ability?

But before you answer, please review their current pound-for-pound ratings.

BoxRecs P4P is crap, but their rating system isn't too bad. His points were well thought out and researched. Stop being a twat.

Do you seriously believe that Fanlong Meng possesses a good resume and deserves to be considered a top-ten world-rated fighter?

Do you believe his resume isn’t padded, in the context of Meng being a 34 year old that’s been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years?

If the answer is no to both questions, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “twat” for interrupting a discussion you haven’t even been following.