Golovkin accuses Canelo of fixing both fights

[Thomastearns]

Shocking accusations by Golovkin against Canelo but there is no other way to interpret his words here... GGG uses softer words but he's clearly saying: Canelo fixed both of our fights...

“Whether they (the Canelo Alvarez fights) soured me (on boxing) a little bit, yes, because at the time the fight was the biggest fight in the world of boxing,” Golovkin said. “To see that people were able to get away with this fraud, you just start thinking really, this is how it works? You start looking at boxing, boxing’s not just a sport. From a business standpoint, people are willing to tweak it to their advantage in indecent ways and get away with it, without being responsible for their actions and without taking liability. Of course, that sort of changed my attitude.”

GGG is clearly saying Canelo is a corrupt fight fixing fraudster. Amazing courage to do this.

This won't win him any more friends in the boxing business. The last thing they want are whistleblowers trying to ruin their multi million dollar scam.

Nevertheless, although it's not quite on par with Djokovic taking a principled stand on refusing to be a guinea pig for experimental injections, it is still brave of GGG to state his feelings so openly.

He knows full well that it won't earn him any future favours, but then again let's face it, everything GGG ever got from boxing he had to get the hard way.

Boxers tend to know what happens behind the scenes, or at least get a fair picture, but they don't tend to talk about it. It's the biggest taboo in boxing. Even outspoken characters like Tyson, Malignaggi, Atlas, Holmes ect tend to be a little reticent, almost as if they want to say more but prudence suggests otherwise.

It's never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, even if that hand is rather measly at times.

Besides, who needs the extra grief?

[RScarf1]

The video doesn’t play for me, but I don‘t believe you received any insider knowledge from any professional referees attending an official IBF convention claiming (or casually implying) the governing bodies don’t employ fair and impartial judges.

And if no one you spoke to (when you attended the IBF convention) suggested such a thing, then why camouflage your opinion using discussions you had with experienced professional judges attending an officially sanctioned event? If this was indeed the case, then what’s the purpose of this story, other than to mislead the reader into believing you possessed insider knowledge?

And I also don’t believe that competent experienced professional judges would be unduly influenced by Teddy Atlas’ comments. You simply had different scorecards, with you jumping to derogatory conclusions.

Unless you're referring to novice professional judges that are new to the sport and have only just began their careers in their chosen profession?

Anyway, I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe your claims. The "IBF convention" angle is just you dishonestly trying to persuade people into believing your opinions should be regarded as facts.

To be fair, your fictional story was a very interesting read though.

But perhaps use a few paragraphs next time, because it's tricky to read a wall of text.

I think the IBF does want fair and impartial judges. That was the whole point of this sort of experiment, to see if they would score the fight correctly and not consider what Atlas was saying. I’m not saying all the judges in the room were influenced, but several were. In fact, about half of the judges went to another room to watch it in Spanish. It was a Spanish translation of what Atlas was saying. More people in that room scored the fight correctly because they couldn’t understand Spanish, so the comments meant nothing to them.

I never claimed that I received insider knowledge from a judge or referee about how judges are selected by sanctioning bodies. I know though that some judges sometimes will score fights differently from the way they normally do. I’ll give you an example. In Germany, there is a female boxer named Elina Tissen. She has been a world champion of only minor sanctioning bodies. Judges will often score rounds as ties for her when the other boxer should have won the round outright. In other words, they rarely score a round in favor of the other boxer as in 10-9. A lot of rounds will be 10-10. In other fights that they judge, they score more normally. Why is this happening? Why are the judges in Canelo’s fights versus Golovkin not seeing the fight like the majority of the media does?

You stated in another post that Sergiy deserved the win against Golovkin. Are you implying that the IBF judges were biased since they all scored it unanimously for Golovkin? I never made such claims. I scored it as a 114-114 draw, but the 114-113 score would have been mine as well if I didn’t score a round as 10-10 and I rarely do that by the way. If a judge scores several rounds 10-10 in a fight, then that person should not be a judge.

[bjornborgbook]

Shocking accusations by Golovkin against Canelo but there is no other way to interpret his words here... GGG uses softer words but he's clearly saying: Canelo fixed both of our fights...

“Whether they (the Canelo Alvarez fights) soured me (on boxing) a little bit, yes, because at the time the fight was the biggest fight in the world of boxing,” Golovkin said. “To see that people were able to get away with this fraud, you just start thinking really, this is how it works? You start looking at boxing, boxing’s not just a sport. From a business standpoint, people are willing to tweak it to their advantage in indecent ways and get away with it, without being responsible for their actions and without taking liability. Of course, that sort of changed my attitude.”

GGG is clearly saying Canelo is a corrupt fight fixing fraudster. Amazing courage to do this.

This won't win him any more friends in the boxing business. The last thing they want are whistleblowers trying to ruin their multi million dollar scam.

Nevertheless, although it's not quite on par with Djokovic taking a principled stand on refusing to be a guinea pig for experimental injections, it is still brave of GGG to state his feelings so openly.

He knows full well that it won't earn him any future favours, but then again let's face it, everything GGG ever got from boxing he had to get the hard way.

Boxers tend to know what happens behind the scenes, or at least get a fair picture, but they don't tend to talk about it. It's the biggest taboo in boxing. Even outspoken characters like Tyson, Malignaggi, Atlas, Holmes ect tend to be a little reticent, almost as if they want to say more but prudence suggests otherwise.

It's never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, even if that hand is rather measly at times.

Besides, who needs the extra grief?

It's very bold and courageous of Golovkin to say this, but let's face it, Golovkin is not your typical champion. He has more guts and courage and intelligence than most. He knows what he's doing. I think it's very possible he has leverage on Canelo and he's using it to squeeze Canelo to force the third fight.

Follow me: Golovkin was ducked by Canelo for two years. We can safely assume Golovkin had to agree to ALL of Canelo's terms to get the fight, including to play soft on the cash cow. Yes, GGG played soft in both fights and knew he was going to lose on purpose to get the giant paydays and to serve the cash cow franchise. So GGG can be leveraging himself to force Canelo to do the third fight, or else. With the or else being, Golovkin will drop the massive truth bomb that he had to play soft and lose to Canelo to get the paydays. Only a fool would put it past Golovkin to drop that nuclear truth bomb. What does he have to lose? He's at the end. He's got to be somewhat bitter towards the sport for failing to give him the big money prime time fights when he was at his best (Cotto, Floyd, Martinez, Quillin, Canelo, Jacobs all ducked him when he was at his best). Golovkin may be the greatest all around fighter of all time, perfect form, power, chin, dominant against any style. THis was an amazing fighter but we never got to see his best. Imagine Duran never fighting Leonard in Montreal. Ali never fighting Foreman or Frazier. GGG was cheated out of being in his defining moment ultimate fights.

Golovkin could give a BIG FU to the sport as his parting shot by dropping the truth bomb that Canelo forced him to play soft in both of their rights. I believe that's what he's taunting Canelo with in the above statements.

[Enlightened-One]

The video doesn’t play for me, but I don‘t believe you received any insider knowledge from any professional referees attending an official IBF convention claiming (or casually implying) the governing bodies don’t employ fair and impartial judges.

And if no one you spoke to (when you attended the IBF convention) suggested such a thing, then why camouflage your opinion using discussions you had with experienced professional judges attending an officially sanctioned event? If this was indeed the case, then what’s the purpose of this story, other than to mislead the reader into believing you possessed insider knowledge?

And I also don’t believe that competent experienced professional judges would be unduly influenced by Teddy Atlas’ comments. You simply had different scorecards, with you jumping to derogatory conclusions.

Unless you're referring to novice professional judges that are new to the sport and have only just began their careers in their chosen profession?

Anyway, I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe your claims. The "IBF convention" angle is just you dishonestly trying to persuade people into believing your opinions should be regarded as facts.

To be fair, your fictional story was a very interesting read though.

But perhaps use a few paragraphs next time, because it's tricky to read a wall of text.

I think the IBF does want fair and impartial judges. That was the whole point of this sort of experiment, to see if they would score the fight correctly and not consider what Atlas was saying. I’m not saying all the judges in the room were influenced, but several were. In fact, about half of the judges went to another room to watch it in Spanish. It was a Spanish translation of what Atlas was saying. More people in that room scored the fight correctly because they couldn’t understand Spanish, so the comments meant nothing to them.

I never claimed that I received insider knowledge from a judge or referee about how judges are selected by sanctioning bodies. I know though that some judges sometimes will score fights differently from the way they normally do. I’ll give you an example. In Germany, there is a female boxer named Elina Tissen. She has been a world champion of only minor sanctioning bodies. Judges will often score rounds as ties for her when the other boxer should have won the round outright. In other words, they rarely score a round in favor of the other boxer as in 10-9. A lot of rounds will be 10-10. In other fights that they judge, they score more normally. Why is this happening? Why are the judges in Canelo’s fights versus Golovkin not seeing the fight like the majority of the media does?

You stated in another post that Sergiy deserved the win against Golovkin. Are you implying that the IBF judges were biased since they all scored it unanimously for Golovkin? I never made such claims. I scored it as a 114-114 draw, but the 114-113 score would have been mine as well if I didn’t score a round as 10-10 and I rarely do that by the way. If a judge scores several rounds 10-10 in a fight, then that person should not be a judge.

So I still don’t understand the purpose of your IBF convention story.

You definitely claimed the sports’ governing bodies don’t employ fair and impartial judges.

Are you saying the experienced judges that attended the same IBF convention weren’t fair or impartial?

After all, that was the main point of your argument.

If that’s not what you’re suggesting, then why mention the IBF convention?

[thereverend]

There will always be questions about the outcomes of fights, the legitimacy of judging and refereeing. Until there is some sort of protocol, a commission/governing body or whatever, with the oversight to investigate controversial decisions and hand down real punishments. There's certainly judges and referees that are corrupt, either accepting payments from gamblers and promoters, or betting on fights themselves. It's surprising to me that the FBI or other similar law enforcement agencies in other countries have neglected to investigate this matter. It's just as big if not a bigger problem then PEDs and has been one of the leading causes in the decline in popularity of the sport.

The other major sports have protocols in place to prevent gambling from taking place by athletes and other people involved in their sports. Boxing is the opposite, it takes pride in it's connection to gambling. For example the NBA, NFL, and MLB all refused to have a team in Las Vegas until the Raiders moved there. Baseball permanently bans players who bet on games permanently, even if they bet on themselves. In boxing judges can engage in unprofessional judging without facing consequences. Laurence Cole should have been banned for life, why wasn't he investigated by law enforcement? You aren't allowed to fix sports for profit, it's a felony. Instead he's still allowed to judge fights. Probably got a raise. I didn't watch the 2nd Canelo/GGG fight because I don't like to waste my money and time. Why bother when I knew exactly what the outcome would be?

[RScarf1]

So I still don’t understand the purpose of your IBF convention story.

You definitely claimed the sports’ governing bodies don’t employ fair and impartial judges.

Are you saying the experienced judges that attended the same IBF convention weren’t fair or impartial?

After all, that was the main point of your argument.

If that’s not what you’re suggesting, then why mention the IBF convention?

I mentioned the IBF convention because someone else stated that if the fans want boxing judging to be fair and impartial, then we should all become judges. The fact that some judges in the seminar were influenced by Atlas’ comments while watching the fight doesn’t mean they are corrupt. It just means that the comments by Atlas changed their opinion of a fight. In other words, it affected their judgment probably because they are aware of Atlas and they respect his knowledge of boxing. I believe that, in general, sanctioning bodies want fair and impartial judges. I think that is the case for the major ones and the IBO which could be considered a major one since the prominent boxers desire their belts too.

The minor sanctioning bodies also have rules, but they are so desperate for money that they have allowed promoters to choose who the judges will be. This is especially true in Germany. I believe that for certain fights such as ones that Canelo is involved in, there is going to be biased judging. I don’t think it’s incompetence. I think it’s intentional incompetence. Canelo is a cash cow for the sanctioning bodies, so there is a financial incentive for him always winning, even when he doesn’t deserve to so the sanctioning bodies can continue to sanction his title fights and receive their sanctioning fees.

When I talked to the judges at the convention, I believed that they want to do a good job. This is their livelihood. These were not novice judges for the most part. They were very experienced. You say Sergiy deserved to win in a fight with IBF judges in a sanctioned IBF title fight that Golovkin won by unanimous decision. Therefore, you must think those judges are either biased or incompetent. I judged it unofficially a draw, but I’m saying it was close enough that either of them winning would be justified. You just claim that Sergiy should have won without regard to the punch stats or the fact that Golovkin was credited with knocking down Sergiy.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know if CANELO fixed both fights, I'd say I highly doubt that, but I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that both fights were indeed fixed.

[gilgamesh]

He can prevent Canelo from fixing with knocking him out

Not if he has to promise to play soft to get that huge payday, ten times more loot than he could get vs anyone else. GGG could be giving only half the story, omitting the part that he was in on the fix as he agreed to play soft.

Brilliant moves by GGG, Canelo is cornered and can't respond. And if he ducks the third GGG fight, he's the one who looks bad.

If you make an agreement that you're not gonna give your best then you have no right to complain if the decision doesn't go your way. I doubt very highly that Golovkin held back against Canelo.

[RScarf1]

He can prevent Canelo from fixing with knocking him out

Not if he has to promise to play soft to get that huge payday, ten times more loot than he could get vs anyone else. GGG could be giving only half the story, omitting the part that he was in on the fix as he agreed to play soft.

Brilliant moves by GGG, Canelo is cornered and can't respond. And if he ducks the third GGG fight, he's the one who looks bad.

If you make an agreement that you're not gonna give your best then you have no right to complain if the decision doesn't go your way. I doubt very highly that Golovkin held back against Canelo.

I agree with gilgamesh. Golovkin tried his best. If he could have knocked out Canelo, he would have. If he could have fought a lot better, then he is Superman.

[Lairdy]

Shocking accusations by Golovkin against Canelo but there is no other way to interpret his words here... GGG uses softer words but he's clearly saying: Canelo fixed both of our fights...

“Whether they (the Canelo Alvarez fights) soured me (on boxing) a little bit, yes, because at the time the fight was the biggest fight in the world of boxing,” Golovkin said. “To see that people were able to get away with this fraud, you just start thinking really, this is how it works? You start looking at boxing, boxing’s not just a sport. From a business standpoint, people are willing to tweak it to their advantage in indecent ways and get away with it, without being responsible for their actions and without taking liability. Of course, that sort of changed my attitude.”

GGG is clearly saying Canelo is a corrupt fight fixing fraudster. Amazing courage to do this.

Garbage! You are simply interpreting it the way you want to. Canelo does not have a say in how his promoters and managers do things. The first GGG fight had a lot of very close rounds, and Canelo was never going to lose that because he was the bigger cash cow of the two and GGG was seen as on the Incline. That's the way it works, but it's out of Canelo's hands regardless.

[Counter-puncher]

We can safely assume Golovkin had to agree to ALL of Canelo's terms to get the fight, including to play soft on the cash cow. Yes, GGG played soft in both fights and knew he was going to lose on purpose to get the giant paydays and to serve the cash cow franchise.

oh, wow.

you went FULL retard.

you're a poster boy for mental illness and delusions.

you need help.

[bjornborgbook]

What is so hard to understand. Oscar said in the lawsuit with Canelo's old manager that he and Canelo projected to EACH earn $200-400M EACH over the next decade. GGG earned about $1m a fight. So guess who has the leverage to rig the fight. So who is a fool who would think Canelo team would risk $400M to possibly lose by KO to a guy from Kazakhstan???

Perfect I mean perfect scenario to say, "Hey buddy, I call the shots. if you want to make $40 for two sparring sessions with me, you have to do exactly as I tell you. Otherwise, go back and do your $1m fights for another year or two at best. If you want to do business on MY TERMS, you know where to call.

Oh, that's right, fights are never fixed in boxing. The only fixed fight in boxing history was Lamotta vs Billy Fox.

[Counter-puncher]

That’s superb logic

Fights have been fixed in the past

Therefore every time anyone ever argues a fight is fixed, it’s automatically valid. Every time.

You’re a hysterical bed wetting freak.

[Thomastearns]

Shocking accusations by Golovkin against Canelo but there is no other way to interpret his words here... GGG uses softer words but he's clearly saying: Canelo fixed both of our fights...

“Whether they (the Canelo Alvarez fights) soured me (on boxing) a little bit, yes, because at the time the fight was the biggest fight in the world of boxing,” Golovkin said. “To see that people were able to get away with this fraud, you just start thinking really, this is how it works? You start looking at boxing, boxing’s not just a sport. From a business standpoint, people are willing to tweak it to their advantage in indecent ways and get away with it, without being responsible for their actions and without taking liability. Of course, that sort of changed my attitude.”

GGG is clearly saying Canelo is a corrupt fight fixing fraudster. Amazing courage to do this.

This won't win him any more friends in the boxing business. The last thing they want are whistleblowers trying to ruin their multi million dollar scam.

Nevertheless, although it's not quite on par with Djokovic taking a principled stand on refusing to be a guinea pig for experimental injections, it is still brave of GGG to state his feelings so openly.

He knows full well that it won't earn him any future favours, but then again let's face it, everything GGG ever got from boxing he had to get the hard way.

Boxers tend to know what happens behind the scenes, or at least get a fair picture, but they don't tend to talk about it. It's the biggest taboo in boxing. Even outspoken characters like Tyson, Malignaggi, Atlas, Holmes ect tend to be a little reticent, almost as if they want to say more but prudence suggests otherwise.

It's never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, even if that hand is rather measly at times.

Besides, who needs the extra grief?

It's very bold and courageous of Golovkin to say this, but let's face it, Golovkin is not your typical champion. He has more guts and courage and intelligence than most. He knows what he's doing. I think it's very possible he has leverage on Canelo and he's using it to squeeze Canelo to force the third fight.

Follow me: Golovkin was ducked by Canelo for two years. We can safely assume Golovkin had to agree to ALL of Canelo's terms to get the fight, including to play soft on the cash cow. Yes, GGG played soft in both fights and knew he was going to lose on purpose to get the giant paydays and to serve the cash cow franchise. So GGG can be leveraging himself to force Canelo to do the third fight, or else. With the or else being, Golovkin will drop the massive truth bomb that he had to play soft and lose to Canelo to get the paydays. Only a fool would put it past Golovkin to drop that nuclear truth bomb. What does he have to lose? He's at the end. He's got to be somewhat bitter towards the sport for failing to give him the big money prime time fights when he was at his best (Cotto, Floyd, Martinez, Quillin, Canelo, Jacobs all ducked him when he was at his best). Golovkin may be the greatest all around fighter of all time, perfect form, power, chin, dominant against any style. THis was an amazing fighter but we never got to see his best. Imagine Duran never fighting Leonard in Montreal. Ali never fighting Foreman or Frazier. GGG was cheated out of being in his defining moment ultimate fights.

Golovkin could give a BIG FU to the sport as his parting shot by dropping the truth bomb that Canelo forced him to play soft in both of their rights. I believe that's what he's taunting Canelo with in the above statements.

If any of the current crop are going to be dropping any truth bombs it will take someone a principled man like GGG or a maverick like Adrien Broner.

Unfortunately Broner is unlikely to be believed, and besides he seems currently preoccupied elsewhere.
So it is down to the likes of GGG to speak up.

Not just for himself but for all the eastern block fighters who are often treated like 2nd class citizens in the world of boxing.

Unless of course they should offer him a megabucks gig to offer the odd puff piece comment on future P4V broadcasts.

Easy money, just keep talking and saying nothing. It's easy once you get the hang of it. Ask any DJ.

In GGGs case a televised gig is rather unlikely as the all important advertisers might get a little gun shy of anyone sounding a little foreign.

They wouldn't want their viewers confusing Kazakhstan with either Ukraine or the USSR. Besides, a US accent seems to be virtually obligatory for US network audiences.

In any case boxers should neither suffer from Stockholm Syndrome nor be victims of Groupthink. This is a brutal sport where a boxer can go from the peak of personal health to the dregs in one unlucky fight.

Boxers don't owe the organising cartel anything, only their fans. As luck would have it, Mexican fans are the most passionate and loyal in boxing. The Canelo Alvarez syndicate have understood this better than anyone for over a decade now.

The Mexican fans love their boxing, it's their number one sport. They deserve real action packed fights. When it comes to Golovkin and Alvarez, I think it's clear which one of them has the true 'Mexican style'.

https://theculturetrip.com/north-americ ... an-boxing/

[bjornborgbook]

This won't win him any more friends in the boxing business. The last thing they want are whistleblowers trying to ruin their multi million dollar scam.

Nevertheless, although it's not quite on par with Djokovic taking a principled stand on refusing to be a guinea pig for experimental injections, it is still brave of GGG to state his feelings so openly.

He knows full well that it won't earn him any future favours, but then again let's face it, everything GGG ever got from boxing he had to get the hard way.

Boxers tend to know what happens behind the scenes, or at least get a fair picture, but they don't tend to talk about it. It's the biggest taboo in boxing. Even outspoken characters like Tyson, Malignaggi, Atlas, Holmes ect tend to be a little reticent, almost as if they want to say more but prudence suggests otherwise.

It's never a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you, even if that hand is rather measly at times.

Besides, who needs the extra grief?

It's very bold and courageous of Golovkin to say this, but let's face it, Golovkin is not your typical champion. He has more guts and courage and intelligence than most. He knows what he's doing. I think it's very possible he has leverage on Canelo and he's using it to squeeze Canelo to force the third fight.

Follow me: Golovkin was ducked by Canelo for two years. We can safely assume Golovkin had to agree to ALL of Canelo's terms to get the fight, including to play soft on the cash cow. Yes, GGG played soft in both fights and knew he was going to lose on purpose to get the giant paydays and to serve the cash cow franchise. So GGG can be leveraging himself to force Canelo to do the third fight, or else. With the or else being, Golovkin will drop the massive truth bomb that he had to play soft and lose to Canelo to get the paydays. Only a fool would put it past Golovkin to drop that nuclear truth bomb. What does he have to lose? He's at the end. He's got to be somewhat bitter towards the sport for failing to give him the big money prime time fights when he was at his best (Cotto, Floyd, Martinez, Quillin, Canelo, Jacobs all ducked him when he was at his best). Golovkin may be the greatest all around fighter of all time, perfect form, power, chin, dominant against any style. THis was an amazing fighter but we never got to see his best. Imagine Duran never fighting Leonard in Montreal. Ali never fighting Foreman or Frazier. GGG was cheated out of being in his defining moment ultimate fights.

Golovkin could give a BIG FU to the sport as his parting shot by dropping the truth bomb that Canelo forced him to play soft in both of their rights. I believe that's what he's taunting Canelo with in the above statements.

If any of the current crop are going to be dropping any truth bombs it will take someone a principled man like GGG or a maverick like Adrien Broner.

Unfortunately Broner is unlikely to be believed, and besides he seems currently preoccupied elsewhere.
So it is down to the likes of GGG to speak up.

Not just for himself but for all the eastern block fighters who are often treated like 2nd class citizens in the world of boxing.

Unless of course they should offer him a megabucks gig to offer the odd puff piece comment on future P4V broadcasts.

Easy money, just keep talking and saying nothing. It's easy once you get the hang of it. Ask any DJ.

In GGGs case a televised gig is rather unlikely as the all important advertisers might get a little gun shy of anyone sounding a little foreign.

They wouldn't want their viewers confusing Kazakhstan with either Ukraine or the USSR. Besides, a US accent seems to be virtually obligatory for US network audiences.

In any case boxers should neither suffer from Stockholm Syndrome nor be victims of Groupthink. This is a brutal sport where a boxer can go from the peak of personal health to the dregs in one unlucky fight.

Boxers don't owe the organising cartel anything, only their fans. As luck would have it, Mexican fans are the most passionate and loyal in boxing. The Canelo Alvarez syndicate have understood this better than anyone for over a decade now.

The Mexican fans love their boxing, it's their number one sport. They deserve real action packed fights. When it comes to Golovkin and Alvarez, I think it's clear which one of them has the true 'Mexican style'.

https://theculturetrip.com/north-americ ... an-boxing/

Broner doesn't have the respect, he's an irrelevant clown now. He also does not have the intelligence to explain the corruption of the sport. As a Haymon fighter he wasn't a victim of corruption, he was protected and selected to be a big star but he screwed it all up with a slew of bad decisions.

So it's Golovkin who can be the one to break the sport, crush it and reduce it to rubble. GGG can save the sport. Tonight another robbery in plain view. Boxing is dying a slow death. It needs to die and start all over. GGG should do it. Just expose it all. The american puppet media would probably call him a nut and try to cover for their puppet masters.

Floyd got away with over a decade of WWF fakery. Canelo is on his way to over a decade of another WWF career. GGG can blow it out of the water. Hope he does.

[Counter-puncher]

You two are cute together. One of you should move in

[squiggy]

What's so odd about this conversation is: People already know how corrupt the sport is. What's a "truth bomb" going to change?

[bjornborgbook]

What's so odd about this conversation is: People already know how corrupt the sport is. What's a "truth bomb" going to change?

Because no one has spoken the ugly truth about the sport since Howard Cosell since he walked away in the late 70s. Tex Cob b vs Holmes fight. Every single time there's a robbery the establishment media says it was a close fight could go either way or it was incompetence. They never dare say it was what it was, outright CORRUPTION. So it just keeps on happening over and over and over again. Catterall hooked last night, he won clearly. Somebody in a high profile position has to drop the nuclear truth bombs.
Otherwise the robberies and fixes and set ups will keep on stealing our pockets. The sport is a F****** joke and it has to be destroyed and rebuilt. Arum haymon need to be flushed down a toilet.

[caldo2025]

Look, it’s a very easy equation to solve. Whomever is THE cash cow in Vegas, he’s not losing aside from a KO. By cash cow, I’m talking about the fighter that fills the casinos, fills the hotels, the over-priced restaurants and the sports book in Vegas. He’s the guy that is too big to lose. We never got close to seeing it with Iron Mike but we’ve clearly seen it since it with the 2 former princes of Boxing; Floyd & Canelo.

The money figures involved with weekends when both these guys fight in Vegas is so much more than all other weekend during the year. These guys not only bring more cash in for establishments but it goes on down to the taxi drivers, the waitresses and waiters and everyone in the service industry relying on volume and tips.

Like the big banks during the financial disasters, these fighters are too big to fail. There will be no fair decisions. If these fighters make it to the last bell, their worst result is gonna be a draw so they can do it again and bring in more dough to Vegas. This is why fighters must fight these stars for KO.

[Enlightened-One]

GGG’s minimum purse guarantee for the first Canelo bout was $3m, with his total payday for that bout allegedly rose to $15m (after PPV revenue).

Golovkin then earned $40m from the Canelo rematch.

GGG then signed a $100m six-fight deal with DAZN, based on him promising to engage in a third bout against Canelo.

Gennadiy will probably earn at least $30m for his participation in the third Canelo bout.

And now that it has been confirmed that Canelo and GGG will be engaging in the final bout of their trilogy in September, it seems inevitable that Golovkin will be duty-bound to promote the fight, by complaining about the outcomes of their previous contests.

Gennadiy’s rivalry with Canelo would have almost certainly resulted in more than $100m being added to his bank balance.

Those feeling “sorry” for GGG, claiming he’s the “victim” of “corruption” need to remember that simple fact.

Let me put it another way:

• Promoter: “Hi Gennadiy, do you fancy receiving $15m to fight Canelo?”

• GGG: “Yes please, bring it on!”

• GGG loses and complains about the decision, blaming poor judges

• Promoter: “Hi Gennadiy, do you fancy receiving $40m to fight Canelo again?”

• GGG: “Yes please, bring it on!”

• GGG complains about the decision in the previous Canelo bout to sell a second Canelo fight

• GGG loses again and complains about the decision, blaming poor judges

• DAZN: “If we offer you $100m for a six-fight deal, but one of those bouts has to be against Canelo, will you accept it?”

• GGG: “Yes please, bring it on!”

• Promoter: “Hi Gennadiy, do you fancy receiving at least $30m to fight Canelo for a third time?”

• GGG: “Yes please, bring it on!”

• GGG complains about the decisions in the previous Canelo bouts to sell the third Canelo fight

History just keeps repeating itself.

Gennadiy is a businessman. He doesn’t care about ancient history. He just wants to get paid.

[margaret thatcher]

dang, ggg making dat bank, dude is winning at this prize fighting game. i remember those early pbc days ppl talked about him not even reaching petey quillin level dollars

[Enlightened-One]

dang, ggg making dat bank, dude is winning at this prize fighting game. i remember those early pbc days ppl talked about him not even reaching petey quillin level dollars

Isn’t it true that GGG abandoned a guaranteed opportunity to face Peter Quillin, but walked away from the purse bid process?

Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

So technically-speaking, GGG "ducked" Quillin.

[margaret thatcher]

i have no f@cking clue mate, i just remember them days where ppl were going on like golo would never make dat big pete quillen pbc money. but dude is just rolling in cash now

[Enlightened-One]

i have no f@cking clue mate, i just remember them days where ppl were going on like golo would never make dat big pete quillen pbc money. but dude is just rolling in cash now

I strongly suspect that, by the time he retires, 90% of his career earnings would be due to him facing Canelo three times, which includes the extra money he received signing with DAZN, based on his commitment to eventually fight the Mexican again.

Those feeling “sorry” for GGG, claiming he’s the “victim” of “corruption” need to remember that simple fact.

[margaret thatcher]

true, he was lucky to be around at the same time canelo was already a huge star.........dude is gonna possibly have made close to 200m because of cinnamon