Round-by-Round: Josh Taylor vs. Jack Catterall | Sky Sports - 26 February 2022

[gregregegg]

Could Boxxer/Sky Just blacklist Ian John Lewis? IF they really swung there weight... That would be a good start.

And McDonnell?

For me his card was bad, but not nearly as bad. even though its just 1 round its a lot harder to find 8 than 7 in that.

If you look at fan scoring 2,3,7,9,10,11,12 all had a decent amount of people thinking taylor won them (not a decent amount thinking they won them all). To see them ALL that way is outragouse but doable... Its wrong, it looks crook, but theres a bit of doubt.

Ian john lewises card was predictably terrible and in my opinion finding 8 rounds instead of 7 in this fight is way way harder and therefor way way more suspicious/incompetent.

If boxxer refused to work with both id be fine with it. But Ian John Lewis is a must for me.

[margaret thatcher]

not sure what anyone was doing giving taylor more than 1 of the first 6 tbh, cleanly outboxed, couldnt get his shots off, everything remotely clean coming from cat

[Boxing Prospect]

Could Boxxer/Sky Just blacklist Ian John Lewis? IF they really swung there weight... That would be a good start.

And McDonnell?

For me his card was bad, but not nearly as bad. even though its just 1 round its a lot harder to find 8 than 7 in that.

...he was the referee...

[margaret thatcher]

also, if youre looking at boxrec fan scoring, taylor only had 9.17 for round 3, not sure that's really a good argument for him winning that round based on fan opinion

nearly anyone ive seen try to make a case for jt has been someone watching the broadcast by espn, who is basically taylor's employer as a top rank fighter. as bp put it, ward was gaslighting hard. i think he had cat leading for 1 round in the fight and that was it.

josh taylor hardly landed a clean punch all fight

[gregregegg]

And McDonnell?

For me his card was bad, but not nearly as bad. even though its just 1 round its a lot harder to find 8 than 7 in that.

...he was the referee...

Of sorry, thought you were talking about the other judge that gave it to taylor.

I thought the ref did well in a very tricky messy fight. there was a million fouls but reff mainly stayed out of it. Catteral got a point taken, Taylors point was a weird one, harsh on its own but it was kind of an accumulation foul.

Im guessing you dont like it seeing as you brang it up... what point deduction dont you like? or dont like both? or think there should of been more?

[gregregegg]

also, if youre looking at boxrec fan scoring, taylor only had 9.17 for round 3, not sure that's really a good argument for him winning that round based on fan opinion

nearly anyone ive seen try to make a case for jt has been someone watching the broadcast by espn, who is basically taylor's employer as a top rank fighter. as bp put it, ward was gaslighting hard. i think he had cat leading for 1 round in the fight and that was it.

josh taylor hardly landed a clean punch all fight

Yes but catteral side only had 60% think he won it. Cant really look at taylors side because after a robbery people pile on with 10-8s cause there angry.

i dot think taylor won. But i think those rounds listed are rounds you could give him without being crook. (could you give em all.... unlikely).

I think they should all have to answer for there cards when theres a controversy. But id like sky to just say No to Ian john lewis. just strait up refuse. baby steps.

[margaret thatcher]

i see no basis for giving tayllor more than the 2nd out of the first 6. only round anyone gave him here was 2 (and some had it 6-0). he could not get shots off, wasnt landing anything remotely clean, and was getting nailed flush with 1-2s.

between the round by round and the boxrec accumulated scores, vast majority had it cat. what is the minimum that you take as a swing round?

[margaret thatcher]

actually, i need to correct myself, 1 person here did give jt the third, i think you might know them

[margaret thatcher]

i'd also add, that justifying the scores of individual rounds, even if unintended, provides a justification of scoring all those rounds that way. a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

like with the ryder fight, if you look at each round and find 10 that could've gone to ryder, you really have little ammunition to use against a judge scoring it 118-110 for him

[KiwiRider]

I can't see fights like this attracting any new fans.
Atrociously boring undercard, and a pretty boring grab fest main event with a decision that even newbies could see was corrupt.

[gregregegg]

i'd also add, that justifying the scores of individual rounds, even if unintended, provides a justification of scoring all those rounds that way. a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

like with the ryder fight, if you look at each round and find 10 that could've gone to ryder, you really have little ammunition to use against a judge scoring it 118-110 for him

I know its a tough one. But if you can justtttt justify an individual round its hard to justify it 10 times in one fight..


The horror round calls are the ones where BBBoC could realllly nail someone for.

But the accumulation when your result is different to 99% of peoples you should also be under scrutiny.

[margaret thatcher]

i just dont see how you can accept someone's individual round scoring, yet do much to punish them for their overall score

i guess you could just compare overall scores, but in that case you have to stop making it about individual rounds too, making it irrelevant that perhaps numerous people scored certain rounds the same way they did

for me there's only one winner of this fight either way though

[Delta Jay]

MMA friend of mine:

“Duck off lad this is why no one likes boxing anymore”

[KiwiRider]

MMA friend of mine:

“Duck off lad this is why no one likes boxing anymore”

"I wish I liked MMA"

KiwiRider 2022

[Steveh583]

MMA friend of mine:

“Duck off lad this is why no one likes boxing anymore”

"I wish I liked MMA"

KiwiRider 2022

That’s how I feel, I’d jump ship in a heartbeat but It’s just soo boring and the striking is so bad. I’m gonna get behind karate combat, where politics and ‘name’ fighters don’t seem to exist. Boxing is farcical.

[Ezzard]

Feel sorry for Catterall.

I thought his point off was justified. The point off Taylor wasn't.

Bad decisions happen in all sports. Why do boxing fans get so triggered?

When Schumacher drop-kicked Battiston nobody said I'm finished with football. When players actually get caught for match-fixing fans just accept it, Boxing fans are so emotional.

[Ezzard]

Taylor seemed unable to deal with Catterall's stance.

Someone said it was like Taylor hadn't sparred a southpaw. I agree. Catterall just turned himself and left little but his back for Taylor's left hand.

[margaret thatcher]

its normal for ppl to get upset by injustice, its a human emotional reaction that happens even when we all know its a real possibility and have seen it before

[daviddee]

For me the commentary was just as bad as the 114-111 decision. So many of the rounds were very very close. It’s what you like Josh was coming forward and Jack was landing more but I did feel the better shots were from Josh.

I felt Jack fell away the championship rounds and made it hard for the judges to give him the rounds. For me 114-112 or 113-112 Jack was my scorecard however I can not argue with 113-113, 114-114 and 113-112 to Josh. I do not seen this is a Robbery I feel for Jack having met him and I know what a good guy he is. He works so hard and he deserved his night of glory. Josh was not near his best and questions need to be answered. I personally think he underestimated Jack and believed in his own hype. I don’t think Ben is the right trainer for Josh his advice was not great. Tactics were all wrong.

I think Jack will come again and win at least one of the titles Josh will vacate and Josh will be better at 147.

[margaret thatcher]

to say taylor landed the better shots is just crazy talk. taylor could hardly land a clean punch all fight and is the one who got put on his ass. catterall tagged him flush with 1-2s repeatedly and simply had to bend a bit at the waist to have taylor constantly missing, banging at elbows, or at best glancing. taylors inability to do clean work was pretty shocking

the gap in clean punching was big

[Twinkle Toes]

Ben Davidson was clearly heard telling Taylor he need a knockout to win coming out for the 12th. Even being favourable to Taylor, I still can't get near him wining the fight.

It was a poor quality fight, very poor. Lots of mauling and holding. The ref needed to get on top if it way earlier. Taylor was bad. For a fighter of his calibre, he looked clueless and his corner work was equally poor.

[Fightnight Scores]

a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

This is the entire purpose of the system I have built!

It requires a user to add a reason (from a list of possible methods why a boxing round can be won), as well as their 10-9 score. AND we also add a "winning margin" percentage metric for the user to outline where rounds are close (50/50, 55/45) or wide (70/30, 90/10).

A few small additions to the 10-9 scores, using technology (it's 2022!!), and we get at least a clearer indication of what a boxing judge is witnessing round by round. They would need to justify their score more than just...oh 10/9 to him...without explanation.

With these data points added by our user we can produce more detailed scorecards. This is the average scorecard from a few dozen scorers:

[tony1234]

I still can't see how John Lewis can make it 114-111. Taylor lost a 10-8 round and had a point off so how does he get a 114-11 1 from a fight like that ? He must have given Taylor some of the early rounds when he was being completely outboxed.

Just feel sorry for Catterall and Moore and Smith/BBOC will do nothing and we all move on to the next scoring scandal

[daviddee]

to say taylor landed the better shots is just crazy talk. taylor could hardly land a clean punch all fight and is the one who got put on his ass. catterall tagged him flush with 1-2s repeatedly and simply had to bend a bit at the waist to have taylor constantly missing, banging at elbows, or at best glancing. taylors inability to do clean work was pretty shocking

the gap in clean punching was big

Neither fighter were clean with their punches.. for me Taylor’s were the power punches. Judges score higher for this. The knockdown was more balance than power. Jack was holding and lucky to not have more points of and Josh’s point off was soft. Jacks shoulder roll is hard to deal with for a Southpaw and frustrated Josh. Josh should of changed orthodox or banged his arms and back. Jacks tactics were spot on but the fight was close I have seen worse decisions close up and the reaction is nowhere near this level. Wonder why Sky didn’t want Josh to win? Maybe the same reason Josh doesn’t get the exposure he deserves.

Like I have said the 114-111 scorecard for Josh needs looked into.. The real problem in boxing is these commentators Matt Macklin had Jack 4-0 going into the fifth. Josh definitely won 3 and 1 and 2 had nothing in them at all. 4 I favoured Jack I had 2-2 in rounds. Can see the argument for 3-1 but no chance 4-0

[Oiky]

When taylor is alone with his thoughts he knows he never ever won that