Round-by-Round: Josh Taylor vs. Jack Catterall | Sky Sports - 26 February 2022

[handsofstone]

Id genuinely rather my guy got robbed than got a gift, horrendous scoring from proving horrendous judges could've and should've been nipped in bud years ago but Robert Smith is a crook

[margaret thatcher]

so there was some anti-scottish bias mixed in here, is that what you mean dave?

[daviddee]

a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

This is the entire purpose of the system I have built!

It requires a user to add a reason (from a list of possible methods why a boxing round can be won), as well as their 10-9 score. AND we also add a "winning margin" percentage metric for the user to outline where rounds are close (50/50, 55/45) or wide (70/30, 90/10).

A few small additions to the 10-9 scores, using technology (it's 2022!!), and we get at least a clearer indication of what a boxing judge is witnessing round by round. They would need to justify their score more than just...oh 10/9 to him...without explanation.

With these data points added by our user we can produce more detailed scorecards. This is the average scorecard from a few dozen scorers:

I like this and looking at that scoring is easy to see how Josh could of won this fight he won round 11 so that should be a 9-9 round 113-113 then take in consideration the 10-10 round that could of went either way do 113-112 to either of the fighters.. That’s how the fight went.. I like the technology and it can be improved

[handsofstone]

Was Crystina Poncher working last night for ESPN? She's probably the best scorer on tv

[daviddee]

so there was some anti-scottish bias mixed in here, is that what you mean dave?

I don’t think that’s what it is. I think Josh is not a yes man and people do not like that. If you look at some of the issues Tyson Fury has had. I do believe the commentary from Sky was terrible.. I think people do listen and believe that their scorecard is right.. When my brother fought Martin J Ward everyone in the Wembley Arena had the fight close after 6 rounds possibly Ronnie winning. We then get messages from people watching on TV saying the commentary has Ward winning the first 6 rounds.. every single round was close and some could of been scored either way. Scoring the fight Ronnie clearly wins by at least 3 rounds. All 3 judges in favour of Ward and a 116-112 no uproar after that one.. Boxing is fundamentally wrong and the boxers know it!!

[margaret thatcher]

Was Crystina Poncher working last night for ESPN? She's probably the best scorer on tv

it was ward and bradley on the stream i watched

[margaret thatcher]

a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

This is the entire purpose of the system I have built!

It requires a user to add a reason (from a list of possible methods why a boxing round can be won), as well as their 10-9 score. AND we also add a "winning margin" percentage metric for the user to outline where rounds are close (50/50, 55/45) or wide (70/30, 90/10).

A few small additions to the 10-9 scores, using technology (it's 2022!!), and we get at least a clearer indication of what a boxing judge is witnessing round by round. They would need to justify their score more than just...oh 10/9 to him...without explanation.

With these data points added by our user we can produce more detailed scorecards. This is the average scorecard from a few dozen scorers:

are there a lot of taylor fans on there? round 8 he gets dropped and still over a quarter had it for him or am i reading that wrong

the breakdown of those scores is much closer than anywhere else ive seen, basically everything's a swing round, which i dont see at all. again unless im reading that wrong

[brian13]

Whether it was a robbery or not. I am not willing to SKY tell us it was a robbery.

Sky have countless times scored the fight for a fighter, who didn't win the fight on the cards and lost the fight clearly.

[Ruthless-RKO]

A lot of pro Taylor fans are saying many people were swayed by the Sky commentary because they were really high on Catterall.

Tbh. It was unbiased to me. Taylor was hardly landing anything clean for them to shout about.

And if there was any bias, they’d be jumping on Taylor’s d!ck and not the Frank W promoter Catterall.

[margaret thatcher]

some taylor fans are just looking for excuses to justify the decision

the commentary was biased and cat coasted !

[Ruthless-RKO]

taylor fans are just looking for excuses to justify the decision

Of course.. sound like typical fans.

My brother in law came over and watched the fight. He likes his big boxing fights, but he’s a casual and didn’t even know these two. He did see a bit of build up during Khan-Brook.

He didn’t know who was really better nor did he pick a winner or cared who won.

He was disgusted with the judges scorecards.

[margaret thatcher]

Whether it was a robbery or not. I am not willing to SKY tell us it was a robbery.

Sky have countless times scored the fight for a fighter, who didn't win the fight on the cards and lost the fight clearly.

agree

what did you think? fair decision? never mind sky

[margaret thatcher]

has a single person on this forum said they scored it for taylor?

[mickey1975]

Sky showed replays of Jt's head getting repeatedly rocked back round after round. I never saw Jack's once, so this talk of Taylor landing the cleaner shots is just utter bullshit.

[margaret thatcher]

Sky showed replays of Jt's head getting repeatedly rocked back round after round. I never saw Jack's once, so this talk of Taylor landing the cleaner shots is just utter bullshit.

exactly. it was the clearest difference between them, jt could hardly land a flush shot all night but cat landed them repeatedly

1-2s and 1-2-1s

[daviddee]

A lot of pro Taylor fans are saying many people were swayed by the Sky commentary because they were really high on Catterall.

Tbh. It was unbiased to me. Taylor was hardly landing anything clean for them to shout about.

And if there was any bias, they’d be jumping on Taylor’s d!ck and not the Frank W promoter Catterall.

That’s a lot of pish.. I had Jack winning by 1-2 rounds but can see the swings that I have put up and can’t argue. Did I feel Jack deserved to win yes!!! Do I think it was a robbery No!! Although I wanted Josh to win I also really like Jack. When he was first turning pro he came up and stayed in Dundee for a bit with Ronnie. I would of been just as happy for Jack if he got the nod..

[Fightnight Scores]

are there a lot of taylor fans on there? round 8 he gets dropped and still over a quarter had it for him or am i reading that wrong

the breakdown of those scores is much closer than anywhere else ive seen, basically everything's a swing round, which i dont see at all. again unless im reading that wrong

You're reading it wrong...the percentage isn't the amount of fans who scored it for each fighter...it's the "winning margin" %.
This is a metric we take per round to determine how close or wide the round was.

So for instance that round 8 was a knockdown round.
Our users would score it 10-8 to Catterall...and then they use the winning margin slider at their descrection.
I would have put it at 25-75% in favour of Catterall as it was clearly his round with the knockdown...Some might put it 100-0% as a decisive round, but then it's not like Taylor didn't have his own landed shots within that round....

Does that make sense?

[margaret thatcher]

ah, yes, got it

[Dioufy]

Just watched that now.
Catteral won 5 rounds very clear for me. I had 5 other rounds very close and Taylor clearly getting 2.
If you give all those 5 close rounds to Taylor he edges it 113-112 whereas if you give them to Jack he wins 117-108 I think.
Bollocks.
I had it 114-110 to Catteral as I try to be fair with close rounds (i.e. not giving them all to one fighter).
Con job and Jack should be undisputed at light welter.
Imagine what Crawford does to Taylor based on last night.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Catterall posted on Social.

[doctorboxing]

Due to the round by round scoring, there are always ways to justify how it is possible to score a fight in a way that gives a score that doesn't seem reflective of the fight as a whole, especially when there are several relatively close rounds. For a single judge or a one-off fight, that is a valid argument. However, when it happens repeatedly and always in favour of the home/favoured fighter, then that indicates bias. The bias can be unconcious or concious, I have no idea, but it is real.

Campbell Hatton v Sonni Martinez recently was another example where the ref made the wrong but predictable call in favour of the home fighter.

As fans, we need to pressurise the board, promoters, broadcasters and media to call this out. We can complain online and it gets some traction but is soon forgotten. The only way any notice will be taken is to have a boycott for a specific event as income is what most of these people care about. If they are deprived of income then they will put the required pressure on the authorities to call this out.

[Ezzard]

In tennis you can win more points, more games and still lose the match.

[Ricky]

Sky showed replays of Jt's head getting repeatedly rocked back round after round. I never saw Jack's once, so this talk of Taylor landing the cleaner shots is just utter bullshit.

Indeed, there was a huge gulf in hand accuracy. Taylor looked flumoxed the shoulder roll, Jack made a small target to hit Taylor was missing by miles. His work by contrast was super sharp. I typically prefer aggressive work but Taylor was just mauling forward without any real success, this fight wasn't close by any scoring measure.

[jlh]

An absolute robbery. I'm so disgusted by it that I'm too angry to work it out but how could IJL score it 114 - 111.

He could only have given Jack 4 rounds minus the point deduction. Then there was the 10-8 round, so apart from that he has given Catteral 3 rounds. I just can't see how this is possible.

[forcefraser]

a judge would just need to explain their reasoning for each individual round, stress that rounds are scored on their own, and if someone agrees those individual round scores are each feasible it amounts to a feasible card

This is the entire purpose of the system I have built!

It requires a user to add a reason (from a list of possible methods why a boxing round can be won), as well as their 10-9 score. AND we also add a "winning margin" percentage metric for the user to outline where rounds are close (50/50, 55/45) or wide (70/30, 90/10).

A few small additions to the 10-9 scores, using technology (it's 2022!!), and we get at least a clearer indication of what a boxing judge is witnessing round by round. They would need to justify their score more than just...oh 10/9 to him...without explanation.

With these data points added by our user we can produce more detailed scorecards. This is the average scorecard from a few dozen scorers:

I like this and looking at that scoring is easy to see how Josh could of won this fight he won round 11 so that should be a 9-9 round 113-113 then take in consideration the 10-10 round that could of went either way do 113-112 to either of the fighters.. That’s how the fight went.. I like the technology and it can be improved

Did you have 11 an even round??

Taylor was deducted a point, so taking that into account you had it 10 - 10 before the point deduction? No way Caterral won that round so at best its 9-9

Thus a draw on your card, but this is supposed to the biggest robbery of all time