sockdollanger wrote:Ingemar Johansson, 1-2 vs Patterson and a first round KO of Machen.................I guess thats it.
Not realy he dominated the european scen almost his entire career, he knocked out guys like Hein ten Hoff, Joe Erskine, Dick Richardson, Henry Cooper and Eddie Machen and Floyd Patterson.
Nobody ever ranks him in the top 20, i am not saying he deserves to be there but he is not overrated about top 25 top 30 is were he should be and that is where he is.
sockdollanger wrote:Ingemar Johansson, 1-2 vs Patterson and a first round KO of Machen.................I guess thats it.
Not realy he dominated the european scen almost his entire career, he knocked out guys like Hein ten Hoff, Joe Erskine, Dick Richardson, Henry Cooper and Eddie Machen and Floyd Patterson.
Nobody ever ranks him in the top 20, i am not saying he deserves to be there but he is not overrated about top 25 top 30 is were he should be and that is where he is.
Agreed. His resume is just as good as any other HW from that era. He didn't beat the same guys as Liston and Patterson, but he beat some others that they didn't fight.
sockdollanger wrote:Ingemar Johansson, 1-2 vs Patterson and a first round KO of Machen.................I guess thats it.
Not realy he dominated the european scen almost his entire career, he knocked out guys like Hein ten Hoff, Joe Erskine, Dick Richardson, Henry Cooper and Eddie Machen and Floyd Patterson.
Nobody ever ranks him in the top 20, i am not saying he deserves to be there but he is not overrated about top 25 top 30 is were he should be and that is where he is.
Agreed. His resume is just as good as any other HW from that era. He didn't beat the same guys as Liston and Patterson, but he beat some others that they didn't fight.
yeah I guess your right, I dont know too much about the European fighters he faced and probably spoke too soon. I saw that he didnt even have 30 fights and jumped the gun. touche gentlemen, touche.
its not who ingo beat, its how he beat them. HE DOMINATED THEM. machen lasted the distance vs murderous williams and liston, yet ingo DESTROYED AND NEARLY KILLED EDDIE MACHEN IN ONE ROUND IN THE WORST BEATING I HAVE EVER SEEN ON FILM. floyd patterson is a ATG who was easy to floor but very hard to knock out, and ingo obliberated him in 3 rounds. he also completley easily wiped out all the top european heavyweights
BoxBuzz wrote:All time winner in the "Overated Former Boxing Champion" catagory
goes to
Aaron Pryor.....
for perfect timing, keeping the risk factor low and the perception factor high and getting out before time could give a better picture. Even fooling many of the so called "experts" into thinking he perhaps deserves consideration alongside names like Armstrong, Duran and Chavez. He also takes home a win in the catagory of creative use of little blue bottles.
I always laugh at people who say that Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Pryor.
If Pryor wanted wanted to fight Leonard so much, why did he dot jump up to weltwerweight?
Did he think that big welterweight like Leonard was going to leave a marquee division like the welterweight division, to fight in one of the non-entity weight classes like light weltwerweight (of course, that was in the day before SRL when title chasing).?
Syntax Error wrote:I always laugh at people who say that Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Pryor.
If Pryor wanted wanted to fight Leonard so much, why did he dot jump up to weltwerweight?
Did he think that big welterweight like Leonard was going to leave a marquee division like the welterweight division, to fight in one of the non-entity weight classes like light weltwerweight (of course, that was in the day before SRL when title chasing).?
You simply don't understand the situation. Pryor didn't want to fight Leonard at 140; he wanted to fight Leoanrd at 147, for Leoanrd's World Welterweight Championship. The two were going to fight after Leonard-Hearns I, but Leonard's eye injury caused him to retire.
Well thankyou for making me understand, but I actually knew that already.
I was alluding to the fact that so many people say that Leonard ducked Pryor, which he obviously didn't.
