Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - OFF

[Enlightened-One]

...obviously eo doesnt like this fight (that's fair enough) and is exaggerating to make his point

I mostly agree with your assessment.

I don’t dislike this fight. In fact, I don’t really care enough about it to feel any strong emotions.

I just feel that if Kovalev was matched against Fanlong, it would just be a showcase bout, allowing Krusher to score a highlight-reel KO over an unbeaten opponent.

Mainstream casuals would take a look at Flanlong’s 7½ year unbeaten record and gullibly believe that Kovalev had stopped a genuine world-class opponent.

But the 34-year-old from China possess a padded resume. He’s fought no one noteworthy.

Perhaps Fanlong is closer to a Steve Rolls type fighter than a Mark De Mori, but regardless, the main point I’m trying to convey remains the same, which is that Meng possesses a padded record.

He is a fairly inactive fighter, in his mid-thirties and he hasn’t beaten anyone credible during his 7½ year career.

[margaret thatcher]

he doesnt have a strong record and isnt all that good, that's true. although kovalev doesnt give me much confidence at all these days. up until a few years ago he would've easily ktfo this guy fast..........but he's almost 40, hasnt fought since 2019 (ko loss, and got hurt bad in the fight before that), known drinker with all sorts of issues out of the ring. adds a bit of a wildcard to this fight

[Enlightened-One]

he doesnt have a strong record and isnt all that good, that's true. although kovalev doesnt give me much confidence at all these days. up until a few years ago he would've easily ktfo this guy fast..........but he's almost 40, hasnt fought since 2019 (ko loss, and got hurt bad in the fight before that), known drinker with all sorts of issues out of the ring. adds a bit of a wildcard to this fight

Yeah, I can understand the extra intrigue surrounding Kovalev’s current capabilities, considering he almost got stopped by a UK domestic level fighter during his only win within the last three years.

I guess that an upset is possible, but I suspect Fanlong Meng has been cherry-picked by Kovalev’s handlers with the sole intention to lose spectacularly.

Anyway, I think this fight might not happen if the situation in the Ukraine remains the same.

[Lackeos]

the main point I’m trying to convey remains the same, which is that Meng possesses a padded record.

Isn't your main point really that you don't know what a padded record is? And also, I need to know, are you a non-English speaker who's using google translate to communicate with us? Is it mistranslating padded into your native language?

[Enlightened-One]

the main point I’m trying to convey remains the same, which is that Meng possesses a padded record.

Isn't your main point really that you don't know what a padded record is? And also, I need to know, are you a non-English speaker who's using google translate to communicate with us? Is it mistranslating padded into your native language?

After competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, the 31-year-old Anthony Joshua had just defeated Kubrat Pulev in his tenth world title fight, spanning two world title reigns.

Here's a list of the notable top-ten world-rated names that AJ had fought at that point in time:

• Dillian Whyte
• Charles Martin (former world champ)
• Dominic Breazeale
• Wladimir Klitschko (former world champ)
• Carlos Takam
• Joseph Parker (former world champ)
• Alexander Povetkin (former world champ)
• Andy Ruiz Jr. (former world champ)
• Kubrat Pulev

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

[Ruthless-RKO]

TBF, there’s waaaaayy more pro’s in Fanlong’s position than there is AJ’s.

AJ was fast tracked, even then he wasn’t a mandatory, he got given a title shot. Fair enough.

Not all boxers who turn pro can be fast tracked and a lot of them will take meaningless fights to get themselves in mandatory positions having not fought decent opponents.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I understand what you’re saying EO. But 95% of pro boxers probably have a ‘padded record’ before finally stepping up.

[Enlightened-One]

I understand what you’re saying EO. But 95% of pro boxers probably have a ‘padded record’ before finally stepping up.

Yes, of course, many engage in learning bouts.

But at what point do they stop learning and deserve to be criticised for treading water?

Is seven years too soon for you? Shall we still consider fighters as being decent prospects after a decade?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I personally lost patience with the likes of Hrgovic and Ajagba after three years of consistently facing no-hopers.

For me, there's a cut-off point. And seven years is far too long to be competing against nobodies.

If the forum criticises Zhilei Zhang, then why is Meng Fanlong deemed worthy of being immune from receiving criticism?

[Ruthless-RKO]

I understand what you’re saying EO. But 95% of pro boxers probably have a ‘padded record’ before finally stepping up.

Yes, of course, many engage in learning bouts.

But at what point do they stop learning and deserve to be criticised for treading water?

Is seven years too soon for you? Shall we still consider fighters as being decent prospects after a decade?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I personally lost patience with the likes of Hrgovic and Ajagba after three years of consistently facing no-hopers.

For me, there's a cut-off point. And seven years is far too long to be competing against nobodies.

If the forum criticises Zhilei Zhang, then why is Meng Fanlong deemed worthy of being immune from receiving criticism?

I’m all for boxers to be criticised for not stepping up.

7 years is long. Unless there’s a valid reason/excuse as to why the pro careers have stalled.

So you basically feel this way about a lot of boxers yes?

A good example is them 4 HW’s from 2016.

Joyce, Hrgovic, the Kazakh I can’t even remember his name and Yoka.

Joyce stepped up from the start, fought hard to become a mandatory.

Hrgovic is in that position now too, but if you look at resume, had more of an easy ride.

If these two fought, I’d back Joyce.

Yoka’s opponents haven’t been too bad, wouldn’t call it padded plus he had a year suspension.

The Kazakh will probably blame his team.

the HW division has mostly ONLY have 2 champions at any point on the last 15 years. It’s not easy to become a mandatory or get that actual shot.

[Enlightened-One]

I’m all for boxers to be criticised for not stepping up.

7 years is long. Unless there’s a valid reason/excuse as to why the pro careers have stalled.

So you basically feel this way about a lot of boxers yes?

Yes.

A good example is them 4 HW’s from 2016.

Joyce, Hrgovic, the Kazakh I can’t even remember his name and Yoka.

I assume you're referring to Ivan Dychko.

Joyce stepped up from the start, fought hard to become a mandatory.

Agreed.

Hrgovic is in that position now too, but if you look at resume, had more of an easy ride.

Hrgovic has a terrible resume. The Sauerlands have done a very bad job with him.

If these two fought, I’d back Joyce.

Agreed.

Yoka’s opponents haven’t been too bad, wouldn’t call it padded plus he had a year suspension.

Agreed.

The Kazakh will probably blame his team.

Ivan Dychko blamed his previous promoter. He's become an irrelevant name on the heavyweight scene.

the HW division has mostly ONLY have 2 champions at any point on the last 15 years. It’s not easy to become a mandatory or get that actual shot.

The likes of Dereck Chisora, Hughie Fury, Dillian Whyte, Alexander Povetkin and Joseph Parker have all shown a willingness to compete against all-comers.

And even when they tasted defeat, they continued receiving opportunities to engage in marquee bouts.

A lot of fighters aren't taking risks and are preferring to protect their zeros by treading water against fringe contenders or journeymen.

And those are the guys I'm criticising.

I'll always be a bigger fan of the Arturo Gatti's, Micky Ward's, Emanuel Augustus', Gabriel Rosado's and Dereck Chisora's of this world, than unbeaten padded-resume owning protected hype jobs.

But I appreciate the fact that most fight fans completely write-off any fighter that’s been beaten, which is the main reason why many fighters choose to be risk averse.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Those few you mentioned yes. They have fought good opposition:

But TBF, ( not including Whyte), their willingness increased mostly after they had a world title or world title fight.

Not many want to step up BEFORE fighting a world title.

Parker’s resume before he fought Ruiz wasn’t the worst.

Chisora had a good domestic / Euro level resume before he fought Vitali. Hughie’s resume wasn’t really that good, but he fought for a world title within 20 fights I think. His better opponents have all come after he lost to Parker.

[Enlightened-One]

Those few you mentioned yes. They have fought good opposition:

But TBF, ( not including Whyte), their willingness increased mostly after they had a world title or world title fight.

Not many want to step up BEFORE fighting a world title.

Parker’s resume before he fought Ruiz wasn’t the worst.

Chisora had a good domestic / Euro level resume before he fought Vitali. Hughie’s resume wasn’t really that good, but he fought for a world title within 20 fights I think. His better opponents have all come after he lost to Parker.

But would you agree that all the fighters I've named took their step up in class a long time prior to celebrating their respective seven-year anniversaries competing in the paid ranks?

And that’s the main point I’m trying to convey.

Any Meng Fanlong will be celebrating 7½ years competing in the pro ranks when he enters the ring for his proposed bout in May against Pascal or Kovalev.

But he’s an unbeaten fighter that hasn’t defeated any notable names, hence the reason why I’ve accused him of possessing a padded resume.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Those few you mentioned yes. They have fought good opposition:

But TBF, ( not including Whyte), their willingness increased mostly after they had a world title or world title fight.

Not many want to step up BEFORE fighting a world title.

Parker’s resume before he fought Ruiz wasn’t the worst.

Chisora had a good domestic / Euro level resume before he fought Vitali. Hughie’s resume wasn’t really that good, but he fought for a world title within 20 fights I think. His better opponents have all come after he lost to Parker.

But would you agree that all the fighters I've named took their step up in class a long time prior to celebrating their respective seven-year anniversaries competing in the paid ranks?

Yeh the ones you mentioned.

There’s probably a few more.. but it’s a small minority unfortunately.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

[bbb636]

If you read the thread i created, it was coming to an end.That's why pascal was doing TV and radio interviews saying he sign a contract for a fight on may 21st.An official anmoncment should be mafe at the end of march.

[maverick23]

Kovalev is fighting Tervel Pulev. I’ve never heard of him but he’s Kubrat’s brother, undefeated but 39 and has only fought limited opposition.

This will headline a Triller PPV.

[Lackeos]

the main point I’m trying to convey remains the same, which is that Meng possesses a padded record.

Isn't your main point really that you don't know what a padded record is? And also, I need to know, are you a non-English speaker who's using google translate to communicate with us? Is it mistranslating padded into your native language?

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

It seems that you still don't grasp what a padded record is. A record is padded if it has excess amount of easy wins. It's possible to not have "notable names" and still not have a padded record. It's like you're looking at a slim person and saying "this person doesn't have a lot of muscle, so they're fat." You're saying if there's not a lot of meat on Meng's resume, then there is a lot of fat on his resume. No there isn't. There isn't hardly any fat on his resume.

and LOL at comparing Meng to Anthony Joshua. You're using an Olympic gold medalist -> world champion as the baseline for what isn't a padded record?? There's like a thousand pros per weight division. And everyone who didn't fight Dillian Whyte in their 15th fight has a padded record? That's completely idiotic, like every other thing you've said. How about comparing Meng to #21-ranked light heavyweight Dominic Boesel, who is 32-2 and 32-years-old? None of Boesel's first 17 opponents had a rating better than 1.6. He's younger than Meng and he has 18 easy wins, compared to 12 easy wins for Meng. That means, he's amassed more padding than Meng in a shorter period of time. And this is a perfectly comparable peer to Meng -- close in age, close in ranking, same division.

[Enlightened-One]

Isn't your main point really that you don't know what a padded record is? And also, I need to know, are you a non-English speaker who's using google translate to communicate with us? Is it mistranslating padded into your native language?

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

It seems that you still don't grasp what a padded record is. A record is padded if it has excess amount of easy wins. It's possible to not have "notable names" and still not have a padded record. It's like you're looking at a slim person and saying "this person doesn't have a lot of muscle, so they're fat." You're saying if there's not a lot of meat on Meng's resume, then there is a lot of fat on his resume. No there isn't. There isn't hardly any fat on his resume.

and LOL at comparing Meng to Anthony Joshua. You're using an Olympic gold medalist -> world champion as the baseline for what isn't a padded record?? There's like a thousand pros per weight division. And everyone who didn't fight Dillian Whyte in their 15th fight has a padded record? That's completely idiotic, like every other thing you've said. How about comparing Meng to #21-ranked light heavyweight Dominic Boesel, who is 32-2 and 32-years-old? None of Boesel's first 17 opponents had a rating better than 1.6. He's younger than Meng and he has 18 easy wins, compared to 12 easy wins for Meng. That means, he's amassed more padding than Meng in a shorter period of time. And this is a perfectly comparable peer to Meng -- close in age, close in ranking, same division.

Why did you cherry-pick one particular sentence and exclude all the other pertinent points I discussed in my original post you've only partially-quoted?

Did I explain some inconvenient facts that you cannot address? Are you unwilling to engage in honest debate?

As a reminder, here's what I asked you:

• The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

And you have just admitted that Meng Fanlong hasn’t faced any notable names during the entirety of his seven years and two months professional career!

For the record, Meng Fanlong isn’t the only unbeaten fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than four years that haven’t faced any credible opponents, meaning they too have padded resumes.

Therefore, it’s pointless you mentioning their names as a weak attempt to support your stance, because I apply my standards consistently.

Put it this way, if two people have diarrhoea, then they both have diarrhoea, regardless the varying degrees of severity!!!

End of discussion.

[KiwiRider]

Kovalev is fighting Tervel Pulev. I’ve never heard of him but he’s Kubrat’s brother, undefeated but 39 and has only fought limited opposition.

This will headline a Triller PPV.

Perfect Triller PPV.

Past it boxer Vs no one we've ever heard if, but with a familiar name.
Can't wait to find out the undercard.
Probably a juggler vs an acrobat, and a nonce vs an arsonist

[maverick23]

Kovalev is fighting Tervel Pulev. I’ve never heard of him but he’s Kubrat’s brother, undefeated but 39 and has only fought limited opposition.

This will headline a Triller PPV.

Perfect Triller PPV.

Past it boxer Vs no one we've ever heard if, but with a familiar name.
Can't wait to find out the undercard.
Probably a juggler vs an acrobat, and a nonce vs an arsonist

It makes me wish literally no one purchased Tyson/Jones Jr. If that had flopped then Triller would have been one and done.

[KiwiRider]

Kovalev is fighting Tervel Pulev. I’ve never heard of him but he’s Kubrat’s brother, undefeated but 39 and has only fought limited opposition.

This will headline a Triller PPV.

Perfect Triller PPV.

Past it boxer Vs no one we've ever heard if, but with a familiar name.
Can't wait to find out the undercard.
Probably a juggler vs an acrobat, and a nonce vs an arsonist

It makes me wish literally no one purchased Tyson/Jones Jr. If that had flopped then Triller would have been one and done.

They just won't go away. It's dreadful for boxing. Turning a great sport into a circus with their crap. Let's make the ring a triangle!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kovalev is fighting Tervel Pulev. I’ve never heard of him but he’s Kubrat’s brother, undefeated but 39 and has only fought limited opposition.

This will headline a Triller PPV.

Perfect Triller PPV.

Past it boxer Vs no one we've ever heard if, but with a familiar name.
Can't wait to find out the undercard.
Probably a juggler vs an acrobat, and a nonce vs an arsonist

We might get a slapping contest as well.

[Lackeos]

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

It seems that you still don't grasp what a padded record is. A record is padded if it has excess amount of easy wins. It's possible to not have "notable names" and still not have a padded record. It's like you're looking at a slim person and saying "this person doesn't have a lot of muscle, so they're fat." You're saying if there's not a lot of meat on Meng's resume, then there is a lot of fat on his resume. No there isn't. There isn't hardly any fat on his resume.

and LOL at comparing Meng to Anthony Joshua. You're using an Olympic gold medalist -> world champion as the baseline for what isn't a padded record?? There's like a thousand pros per weight division. And everyone who didn't fight Dillian Whyte in their 15th fight has a padded record? That's completely idiotic, like every other thing you've said. How about comparing Meng to #21-ranked light heavyweight Dominic Boesel, who is 32-2 and 32-years-old? None of Boesel's first 17 opponents had a rating better than 1.6. He's younger than Meng and he has 18 easy wins, compared to 12 easy wins for Meng. That means, he's amassed more padding than Meng in a shorter period of time. And this is a perfectly comparable peer to Meng -- close in age, close in ranking, same division.

Why did you cherry-pick one particular sentence and exclude all the other pertinent points I discussed in my original post you've only partially-quoted?

Did I explain some inconvenient facts that you cannot address? Are you unwilling to engage in honest debate?

As a reminder, here's what I asked you:

• The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

And you have just admitted that Meng Fanlong hasn’t faced any notable names during the entirety of his seven years and two months professional career!

For the record, Meng Fanlong isn’t the only unbeaten fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than four years that haven’t faced any credible opponents, meaning they too have padded resumes.

Therefore, it’s pointless you mentioning their names as a weak attempt to support your stance, because I apply my standards consistently.

Put it this way, if two people have diarrhoea, then they both have diarrhoea, regardless the varying degrees of severity!!!

End of discussion.

First of all, this entire post is idiotic. Second, how about you define what a padded resume is, why it's called padded, and relate it to the broader definition of the word padded. Because I've already done that like five times. Whereas, you haven't yet; you just continue using a word in a way that doesn't fit its meaning.

[Enlightened-One]

It seems that you still don't grasp what a padded record is. A record is padded if it has excess amount of easy wins. It's possible to not have "notable names" and still not have a padded record. It's like you're looking at a slim person and saying "this person doesn't have a lot of muscle, so they're fat." You're saying if there's not a lot of meat on Meng's resume, then there is a lot of fat on his resume. No there isn't. There isn't hardly any fat on his resume.

and LOL at comparing Meng to Anthony Joshua. You're using an Olympic gold medalist -> world champion as the baseline for what isn't a padded record?? There's like a thousand pros per weight division. And everyone who didn't fight Dillian Whyte in their 15th fight has a padded record? That's completely idiotic, like every other thing you've said. How about comparing Meng to #21-ranked light heavyweight Dominic Boesel, who is 32-2 and 32-years-old? None of Boesel's first 17 opponents had a rating better than 1.6. He's younger than Meng and he has 18 easy wins, compared to 12 easy wins for Meng. That means, he's amassed more padding than Meng in a shorter period of time. And this is a perfectly comparable peer to Meng -- close in age, close in ranking, same division.

Why did you cherry-pick one particular sentence and exclude all the other pertinent points I discussed in my original post you've only partially-quoted?

Did I explain some inconvenient facts that you cannot address? Are you unwilling to engage in honest debate?

As a reminder, here's what I asked you:

• The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

And you have just admitted that Meng Fanlong hasn’t faced any notable names during the entirety of his seven years and two months professional career!

For the record, Meng Fanlong isn’t the only unbeaten fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than four years that haven’t faced any credible opponents, meaning they too have padded resumes.

Therefore, it’s pointless you mentioning their names as a weak attempt to support your stance, because I apply my standards consistently.

Put it this way, if two people have diarrhoea, then they both have diarrhoea, regardless the varying degrees of severity!!!

End of discussion.

First of all, this entire post is idiotic. Second, how about you define what a padded resume is, why it's called padded, and relate it to the broader definition of the word padded. Because I've already done that like five times. Whereas, you haven't yet; you just continue using a word in a way that doesn't fit its meaning.

Stop whining.

All you keep doing is randomly barking the phrases “you’re wrong… and you’re an idiot”, but that’s not a valid counter-argument for all the facts I’ve cited that you’ve flatly-refused to directly address.