Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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"Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice"

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Trainer Abel Sanchez stated in a recent interview that he believes his former longtime protégé Gennadiy Golovkin did not make “the right choice” when they decided to part ways in 2019. The break-up, which followed Golovkin’s close points loss to Canelo Alvarez in their heated rematch, was ugly and, in Sanchez’s words at the time, came down to Golovkin’s “insulting” compensation package.

Sanchez was with Golovkin for nearly a decade and witnessed first-hand how the Kazakh puncher rose from obscurity to become a household name in the boxing universe.

But since they parted ways, Sanchez has not been pleased by what he has seen from Golovkin’s performances inside the ring. Golovkin, who is trained by former heavyweight contender Johnathon Banks, has had three fights since the Alvarez rematch: a fourth-round TKO of Steve Rolls, a close unanimous decision over Sergiy Derevyanchenko, both in 2019, and a seventh-round stoppage of Kamil Szeremeta in 2020.

Seeing some of the results of the last three or four fights, I don’t believe it was the right choice,” Sanchez said of his split with Golovkin in an interview with FightHubTV. “Not because I’m …a supreme coach. But sometimes when you’re doing particular things that are successful, as soon as you change those things…all of a sudden you change the routine and change the things you were doing, and things don’t go so well.

Not that you’re gonna win [if you stick with what’s proven], but you have to think about your age: One, the opponents that you’re fighting now are just as hungry as you were when you were younger. The punishment you take may affect you later on in life.

In previous interviews, Sanchez said he believed Golovkin had gone away from his offensive strengths since their split. But here Sanchez stated that he is more disturbed by Golovkin’s seemingly diminished defensive capabilities. Sanchez was particularly concerned about the damage Golovkin sustained in the Derevyanchenko fight, which took place at Madison Square Garden in 2019 and ranked among that year’s best fights. After appearing to be in control in the first half of the fight, Golovkin found himself in deep waters in the latter portion.

The [pictures from the] Derevyanchenko fight showed me that…he wasn’t doing the things necessary to take care of himself,” Sanchez said. “Who cares about anybody else, who cares about the uncle, the brother, the wife. He’s the one who’s going to suffer all these things in the future. Nobody else.

I don’t want to see him hurt. I just talked to (former fighter) Terry Norris a couple of days ago. I want to see him live a fruitful life, have fun, retire, enjoy his kids to the fullest. I don’t want to see him get hurt.


Thoughts? :confused:
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now he's talking sense isnt he
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Re: Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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Sanchez was just another rather limited coach who got lucky.

The boxer/trainer is an all important one, but success can be no more guaranteed than in any other working relationship.

A good trainer is worth every penny of their 20% or so, but alas far too many are worth nothing. Far too many of them seem to actually make things worse, far too often.

Perhaps they, like qualifying doctors should also be required to take the hippocratic oath - Do No Harm - first?

Whether Banks is a better fit isn't clear since we haven't seen GGG in the ring for a while, so who knows?
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Sour freaking grapes is all that I’m seeing here. Does anyone know Abel’s top dog in his stable now? I’d hazard a guess that Sanchez’s cut from all of his current fighters prize money in a year doesn’t even come close to his shares of GGG’s per fight prize money the last few years that they were together.

You could tell the writing was on the wall when you heard Sanchez’s comments right after the 2nd fight with Canelo. After his fighter gave his heart and soul in the ring that night, he had the balls to kiss Canelo’s ass and actually say that he thought Canelo won. Whether a trainer feels it or not, you back your fighter after such a close battle or you just shut up. I don’t blame GGG one bit for dumping him. You see all that you need to see when observing how the people around you react when going through adversity.

Screw Abel Sanchez. Go out and find new talent and get over being butt hurt by getting canned. It’s your own damn fault.

Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
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What an ungrateful mooch. He did nothing for GGG but carry towels and say throw the jab. When the big money fights went down after Canelo, he needed to take a paycut and cried insults when reality hit him. GGG doesn't need this freeloading coattail rider. Just like Leonard didn't need Angie at the end. The fighters takes the punches and the trainer takes the crumbs he's offered.
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caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25 Sour freaking grapes is all that I’m seeing here. Does anyone know Abel’s top dog in his stable now? I’d hazard a guess that Sanchez’s cut from all of his current fighters prize money in a year doesn’t even come close to his shares of GGG’s per fight prize money the last few years that they were together.

You could tell the writing was on the wall when you heard Sanchez’s comments right after the 2nd fight with Canelo. After his fighter gave his heart and soul in the ring that night, he had the balls to kiss Canelo’s ass and actually say that he thought Canelo won. Whether a trainer feels it or not, you back your fighter after such a close battle or you just shut up. I don’t blame GGG one bit for dumping him. You see all that you need to see when observing how the people around you react when going through adversity.

Screw Abel Sanchez. Go out and find new talent and get over being butt hurt by getting canned. It’s your own damn fault.

Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.

Great post and a great line -

You see all that you need to see when observing how the people around you react when going through adversity.
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Re: Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25 Sour freaking grapes is all that I’m seeing here. Does anyone know Abel’s top dog in his stable now? I’d hazard a guess that Sanchez’s cut from all of his current fighters prize money in a year doesn’t even come close to his shares of GGG’s per fight prize money the last few years that they were together.

You could tell the writing was on the wall when you heard Sanchez’s comments right after the 2nd fight with Canelo. After his fighter gave his heart and soul in the ring that night, he had the balls to kiss Canelo’s ass and actually say that he thought Canelo won. Whether a trainer feels it or not, you back your fighter after such a close battle or you just shut up. I don’t blame GGG one bit for dumping him. You see all that you need to see when observing how the people around you react when going through adversity.

Screw Abel Sanchez. Go out and find new talent and get over being butt hurt by getting canned. It’s your own damn fault.

Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
Didn't realize Sanchez betrayed GGG like that, you are right, the trainer has to have the fighter's back at all times, he sold out GGG, probably in hopes of landing a job with Canelo. GGG is such a great fighter he doesn't need any trainer really to teach him anything, GGG is a genius and Sanchez got a free ride and surely was way overpaid for being basically a caddy. To bite the hand that feeds you like Sanchez did to GGG is despicable.
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Re: Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.
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Re: Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.
For the record, I go out of my way to cite facts that no one can refute.

I try my best to present information in an objectively neutral and factually-accurate manner.

So when people criticise my words, I always ask them to provide an example of my alleged wrongdoing.

If the objective truths of reality fail to adhere to your preferred narrative, then that’s an issue that only you can deal with.

But if you feel I’ve claimed something that is factually inaccurate, then you need to let me know.

If I’ve made a mistake and stated something that isn’t correct, then I’m willing to apologise and also remedy the situation.

But if you scrutinise my claims and fact-check them, but still cannot fault my words, then you really do need to apologise.

So what’s it to be?

Can you quote my actual words and provide a 100% accurate example of my so-called “hatred” towards GGG, or will you finally admit to being wrong?
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caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.
:TU: an honest post by EO ‘I hate boxer X’s guts and here’s why’ would be amazing, I think I’d really enjoy reading it
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caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
caldo2025 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 20:25Ps-I didn’t even need to check who the OP was of this one. EO still thinks we believe he doesn’t have a hair across his ass for GGG. Just one negative post after another. Now he’ll clame this wasn’t negative. Just posting news blah blah blah.
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.


It takes all sorts to make up this world.

Try as I might I can't think of anyone that's universally loved.

Not even legendary pugilists such as Jesus of Nazareth, or Gautama Buddha, Mother Theresa, or St Francis of Assisi.

The only one that comes even remotely close is the one and and only Muhammad Ali.


Perhaps even the term boxing fans is a bit of a contradiction. We all tend to elevate our favourites but somewhat denigrate those we don't like.

I'm not particularly fond of Tyson Fury, Floyd Mayweather Jr, or Canelo Alvarez, but I'd be quite mad to not even acknowledge what they have achieved.

Not even if I didn't care for the legalised cheating way they sometimes did it.

In fact, I have a good deal of respect for those boxers who maintain both their fitness/stamina and stay close to their fighting weight in between bouts. Not everyone can, but I'm sure it's the better that way

A lot of young fighters could do worse than follow the example of the likes of Mayweather Jr and Froch, both of whom usually resisted fading better than their opponents and tended to finish fights strongly.
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Counter-puncher wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:49
caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.
:TU: an honest post by EO ‘I hate boxer X’s guts and here’s why’ would be amazing, I think I’d really enjoy reading it
I think we already have the answer, ‘I don’t like boxer X because he is a fan favourite and criticising a fan favourite is a sure fire way I’ll get me some much needed attention.’
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Enlightened-One wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:19
caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.
For the record, I go out of my way to cite facts that no one can refute.

I try my best to present information in an objectively neutral and factually-accurate manner.

So when people criticise my words, I always ask them to provide an example of my alleged wrongdoing.

If the objective truths of reality fail to adhere to your preferred narrative, then that’s an issue that only you can deal with.

But if you feel I’ve claimed something that is factually inaccurate, then you need to let me know.

If I’ve made a mistake and stated something that isn’t correct, then I’m willing to apologise and also remedy the situation.

But if you scrutinise my claims and fact-check them, but still cannot fault my words, then you really do need to apologise.

So what’s it to be?

Can you quote my actual words and provide a 100% accurate example of my so-called “hatred” towards GGG, or will you finally admit to being wrong?
Jesus, Dude. Are you for real? You honestly can NOT be this annoying without going out of your way to be so. If it’s your onscreen identity then honestly, that’s kind of cool to me. I get it. This guy’s playing an annoying dork who’s never been wrong and plays a part but will never admit certain things. But then I think, oooh dolly. What if this really IS him and he walks through real life like this. Arguing about the most insignificant factoids and ideas as if he’s a Supreme Court judge weighing evidence against a member of the White house’s staff.

I hope that it’s the former. No. I’m not reliving or for that matter, searching for any of your posts to garner that proof that you always love to ask for. I was just hoping that you could be human for a change and just enlighten the gang as to why you dislike GGG to the point that you continuously take times out of your days to post negativity of GGG. It’s not a matter up for debate, it’s a fact. How about this? Why don’t you reply back with an instance where you posted something positive about GGG? Let’s start there. If it’s over 5 years ago, don’t bother. Just reply back with “I forfeit”. Or in the spirit of things, how about “no Mas”.
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caldo2025 wrote: 26 Mar 2022, 02:26I hope that it’s the former. No. I’m not reliving or for that matter, searching for any of your posts to garner that proof that you always love to ask for. I was just hoping that you could be human for a change and just enlighten the gang as to why you dislike GGG to the point that you continuously take times out of your days to post negativity of GGG.
You’re basically accusing me of “hating” GGG and constantly criticising the man, even though you can’t provide even one example to prove your accusation.

And you find it annoying that someone has the sheer audacity to ask you to backup your derogatory claims, probably because you’re frustrated about being unable to do it.

That’s all I needed to know. Enjoy your day dude! :TU: :OhYes:
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Thomastearns wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 15:15
caldo2025 wrote: 25 Mar 2022, 14:05
Enlightened-One wrote: 19 Mar 2022, 21:59
If I quote someone saying something, it’s a fact that they’ve said those things.

If I state statistics based on resumes, ratings, dates, titles etc., then they’re facts, since no one can refute them.

If you’re upset about the facts I cite, then you need to frequent a different forum.

Perhaps you should spend more time frequenting an echo chamber that’s rife with confirmation bias, whereby real-world facts are ignored and all members of said forum are compelled (bullied) to only think in one way. :TU:
And EXACTLY what I said would happen, happened. We all knew that you’d respond with the old “who me?”.

Why can’t you just create a post that fully details why you despise GGG so much? I’d actually read that if it’s something more entertaining than your “ducking” accusations that always fail to land quite miserably. I’m speaking for myself here so I’m not sure who else might read it but I would. Let’s hear how someone can hate one of the most exciting fighters of the last 10-20 years. A guy that knocks most people out. A guy that is a sportsman and respectful. I’m just curious how someone could not appreciate a boxer like this.


It takes all sorts to make up this world.

Try as I might I can't think of anyone that's universally loved.

Not even legendary pugilists such as Jesus of Nazareth, or Gautama Buddha, Mother Theresa, or St Francis of Assisi.

The only one that comes even remotely close is the one and and only Muhammad Ali.


Perhaps even the term boxing fans is a bit of a contradiction. We all tend to elevate our favourites but somewhat denigrate those we don't like.

I'm not particularly fond of Tyson Fury, Floyd Mayweather Jr, or Canelo Alvarez, but I'd be quite mad to not even acknowledge what they have achieved.

Not even if I didn't care for the legalised cheating way they sometimes did it.

In fact, I have a good deal of respect for those boxers who maintain both their fitness/stamina and stay close to their fighting weight in between bouts. Not everyone can, but I'm sure it's the better that way

A lot of young fighters could do worse than follow the example of the likes of Mayweather Jr and Froch, both of whom usually resisted fading better than their opponents and tended to finish fights strongly.
I think we all could use this ice cold pale of water splash that you unloaded above. Respect. You couldn’t be more right. However, it’s completely acceptable for people to like or hate the boxers for whatever reasons they choose. I just didn’t think that it would be too much to ask for some reasoning behind why a poster here incessantly posts negative garbage non stop but pretends to have no agenda. I honestly couldn’t give a shit about this person’s views but I asked in the hopes to be amused during some down time. But It was like buying a scratch ticket. It kept me entertained for about 7 minutes and the ticket was a loser.
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Re: Sanchez on Split with Golovkin: Based on Last Few Fights Leaving Me Wasn't the Right Choice

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Regardless of how much Sanchez helped GGG… there can be NO QUESTION that Banks is NOT A SERIOUS trainer, teacher or coach. Riding off of Emanuel Stewards/KRONK coattails to help
kids/fighters is admirable, but there HAS to be a proper coach at KRONK available besides BANKS.
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