Ruiz Jr Vs Chisora (in negotiations)

[joshj909]

Weird fight for Eddie to put forward. If Chisora wins, it damages AJ's reputation and there's zero chance he's going to get a title shot before he retires. If Ruiz wins, it just adds another nail in the coffin for Chisora's career. Chisora doesn't gain much financially by further risking his reputation in the same way he would should he beat a higher ranked opponent like Wilder or decisively beat a lower but top 25 opponent after which he could face another. I'd watch but I think it could be an ugly affair with Chisora winning early rounds and Ruiz taking control by the second half of the fight which is like most of recent Chisora's fights.

[digzee]

Weird fight for Eddie to put forward. If Chisora wins, it damages AJ's reputation and there's zero chance he's going to get a title shot before he retires. If Ruiz wins, it just adds another nail in the coffin for Chisora's career. Chisora doesn't gain much financially by further risking his reputation in the same way he would should he beat a higher ranked opponent like Wilder or decisively beat a lower but top 25 opponent after which he could face another. I'd watch but I think it could be an ugly affair with Chisora winning early rounds and Ruiz taking control by the second half of the fight which is like most of recent Chisora's fights.

If Del beat Ruiz it'd be his biggest win by far, that's a big incentive for him. I can't see this being an ugly fight, I think it'd be like Ruiz-Arreola but with Del getting stopped late.

[Enlightened-One]

Dereck Chisora is a commercially-popular fighter that is easily capable (despite his losing record) to pick-and-choose his opponents.

• Del Boy isn’t going to risk a loss in a low-paid bout against an anonymous dangerous prospect that has no fan-base.

• DAZN wants a heavyweight contest that involving names capable of attracting decent audience figures.

• Andy Ruiz Jr. needs to engage in a winnable ring-rust clearing bout.

• Dereck Chisora wants to get paid and also face a big-name opponent.

• The PBC wants to keep their massive stable of fighters busy and Andy Ruiz Jr. hasn’t been included in Showtime’s schedule.

This fight appears to tick a lot of boxes, and appears beneficial to Matchroom/Showtime/PBC.

I think the PBC’s long-term plan is to pit Andy Ruiz Jr. against Luis Ortiz, but the Mexican-American has been inactive and needs an interim bout. And the fight against Del Boy shouldn’t (in theory) derail that plan - in fact, it should facilitate it.

So I don’t see any reason why the PBC would prevent Ruiz Jr. from facing Chisora (unless Matchroom don’t offer a big enough purse).

Dereck Chisora seemed very vulnerable in the Parker rematch and was fortunate to avoid being stopped.

The same version of Chisora loses to Andy Ruiz Jr. within six rounds.

[margaret thatcher]

not interested in this one really

[HomicideHenry]

I think it will be the fight that finally kicks Chisora officially out of the top 15 and permanently keeps him out of consideration for big fights. Not to say that Ruiz doesn't have his own problems and issues that can't be capitalized on, but it's hard for me to see Snickers losing to a man who has lost 5 of his last 10, three in a row.

[Enlightened-One]

So I don’t see any reason why the PBC would prevent Ruiz Jr. from facing Chisora (unless Matchroom don’t offer a big enough purse).

"Andy Ruiz Jr demands more money to fight Derek Chisora after opening offer"

Andy Ruiz Jr has demanded more money to fight Derek Chisora after Eddie Hearn confirmed he has made an offer to stage the heavyweight clash.

Chisora last fought in an epic rematch with Joseph Parker ended in brave defeat back in December. The Briton called for a fight with Ruiz on social media after the Mexican star asked fans who they wanted him to fight next.

Hearn has revealed he wants to make the fight happen in the UK and has opened talks with Premier Boxing Champions over a fan-friendly heavyweight clash. “When is Chisora out next?” Hearn said. "I want to make Chisora against Andy Ruiz Jr. I made PBC an offer for that fight on Friday. They want more money, understood, but I want to make Chisora vs Ruiz, that’s a great fight."

The British heavyweight faced calls to retire from several people including friend Tony Bellew and current trainer Dave Coldwell. He has also called out American star Deontay Wilder since his recent defeat but any showdown between the pair seems unlikely.

Ruiz has fought just once since his rematch defeat to Anthony Joshua in 2019, defeating Chris Arreola by unanimous decision despite being knocked down early on. He is now working with boxing's Trainer Of The Year Eddy Reynoso whose talented stable includes Canelo Alvarez.

The Mexican star burst on to the scene after putting on a scintillating display to abruptly spoil Joshua's American debut back in 2019 with a seventh-round stoppage. However after the fight he confessed to basking in his glory and was ousted by Joshua who put on a slick boxing display to gain his revenge in Saudi Arabia later that year.

[joshj909]

With losses against, Fury x2, Helenius*, Vitali, Haye, Pulev, Whyte x2, Kabayel, Usyk and Parker X2. How would you rank Chisora's biggest wins? I've kept Chisora in the forum rankings vote because of his win over Takam but that was now four years ago and, for me, if you take out Takam, he's not even close to top 15 in the past few years. If he doesn't get a win soon to back that one up then he's gone for me, despite only losing to top opponents.

I'd probably put his top 10 roughly in this order. Outside the top few, most of his opponents are barely even worth mentioning. Takam (2018), Scott (2013), Price (2019), Gerber (2013), Johnson (2014), Szpilka (2019), Sexton (2008 & 2010), Gashi (2019), Pala (2013) and Williams (2010).

[Ruthless-RKO]

With losses against, Fury x2, Helenius*, Vitali, Haye, Pulev, Whyte x2, Kabayel, Usyk and Parker X2. How would you rank Chisora's biggest wins? I've kept Chisora in the forum rankings vote because of his win over Takam but that was now four years ago and, for me, if you take out Takam, he's not even close to top 15 in the past few years. If he doesn't get a win soon to back that one up then he's gone for me, despite only losing to top opponents.

I'd probably put his top 10 roughly in this order. Outside the top few, most of his opponents are barely even worth mentioning. Takam (2018), Scott (2013), Price (2019), Gerber (2013), Johnson (2014), Szpilka (2019), Sexton (2008 & 2010), Gashi (2019), Pala (2013) and Williams (2010).

He's #15 at moment isn't he?

[joshj909]

He's #15 at moment isn't he?

I think so. There are still a few people that want him kept in. I have been in two minds about it but when you actually look at his wins, it kind of makes it more obvious with Takam as the only standout.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He's #15 at moment isn't he?

I think so. There are still a few people that want him kept in. I have been in two minds about it but when you actually look at his wins, it kind of makes it more obvious with Takam as the only standout.

It's not always easy is it..

Because we want to look at overall as well, but some of the wins are a long time ago, which doesn't help.

Some people go off "you're only as good as your last fight."

I think one more loss, and he'll be out, there are guys on the up, prospects who are gaining that momentum and they'll need to enter the top 15 soon.

[Enlightened-One]

With losses against, Fury x2, Helenius*, Vitali, Haye, Pulev, Whyte x2, Kabayel, Usyk and Parker X2. How would you rank Chisora's biggest wins? I've kept Chisora in the forum rankings vote because of his win over Takam but that was now four years ago and, for me, if you take out Takam, he's not even close to top 15 in the past few years. If he doesn't get a win soon to back that one up then he's gone for me, despite only losing to top opponents.

I'd probably put his top 10 roughly in this order. Outside the top few, most of his opponents are barely even worth mentioning. Takam (2018), Scott (2013), Price (2019), Gerber (2013), Johnson (2014), Szpilka (2019), Sexton (2008 & 2010), Gashi (2019), Pala (2013) and Williams (2010).

Ok, I’m going to convey an admittedly controversial opinion here.

Del Boy currently appears to be on the cusp of being a shot fighter, based on the form he displayed during his most recent outing, which was for the Joseph Parker rematch.

However, if we exclude that bout from consideration, then Chisora has delivered some pretty impressive performances in fights that didn’t go his way – meaning his record doesn’t reflect his ability.

I sincerely believe that Chisora beat Joseph Parker and Dillian Whyte in the first bouts against those guys.

Del Boy was far more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than Anthony Joshua was.

Robert Helenius is considered a top-ten world-rated fighter, but I felt the Finnish fighter was beaten by Chisora.

I also believe that Chisora won at least three of the rounds in the Vitali Klitschko bout (i.e. 7th, 8th & 12th), with my scorecard totals reading 117-111.

And one could reasonably argue that none of Vitali’s opponents have won more rounds (on the judges’ scorecards) during their bouts than Del Boy did.

But of course, technically-speaking, Carlos Takam is Del Boy’s best win, closely followed by Sam Sexton and David Price.

[joshj909]

With losses against, Fury x2, Helenius*, Vitali, Haye, Pulev, Whyte x2, Kabayel, Usyk and Parker X2. How would you rank Chisora's biggest wins? I've kept Chisora in the forum rankings vote because of his win over Takam but that was now four years ago and, for me, if you take out Takam, he's not even close to top 15 in the past few years. If he doesn't get a win soon to back that one up then he's gone for me, despite only losing to top opponents.

I'd probably put his top 10 roughly in this order. Outside the top few, most of his opponents are barely even worth mentioning. Takam (2018), Scott (2013), Price (2019), Gerber (2013), Johnson (2014), Szpilka (2019), Sexton (2008 & 2010), Gashi (2019), Pala (2013) and Williams (2010).

Ok, I’m going to convey an admittedly controversial opinion here.

Del Boy currently appears to be on the cusp of being a shot fighter, based on the form he displayed during his most recent outing, which was for the Joseph Parker rematch.

However, if we exclude that bout from consideration, then Chisora has delivered some pretty impressive performances in fights that didn’t go his way – meaning his record doesn’t reflect his ability.

I sincerely believe that Chisora beat Joseph Parker and Dillian Whyte in the first bouts against those guys.

Del Boy was far more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than Anthony Joshua was.

Robert Helenius is considered a top-ten world-rated fighter, but I felt the Finnish fighter was beaten by Chisora.

I also believe that Chisora won at least three of the rounds in the Vitali Klitschko bout (i.e. 7th, 8th & 12th), with my scorecard totals reading 117-111.

And one could reasonably argue that none of Vitali’s opponents have won more rounds (on the judges’ scorecards) during their bouts than Del Boy did.

But of course, technically-speaking, Carlos Takam is Del Boy’s best win, closely followed by Sam Sexton and David Price.

I personally don't think any of those fights gave us the incorrect winner but they were clearly close and Chisora fights are often tough to judge(not sure about the Helenius fight as I don't even remember it). There were obviously some questionable scores from the judges and Chisora put up a good fight in most of his defeats.

You could argue that the likes of Wallin, Dubois, Hughie and Ortiz are also mostly ranked highly based on their performances in defeats as well so Chisora is not unique but it's probably more obvious with Chisora.

[Enlightened-One]

With losses against, Fury x2, Helenius*, Vitali, Haye, Pulev, Whyte x2, Kabayel, Usyk and Parker X2. How would you rank Chisora's biggest wins? I've kept Chisora in the forum rankings vote because of his win over Takam but that was now four years ago and, for me, if you take out Takam, he's not even close to top 15 in the past few years. If he doesn't get a win soon to back that one up then he's gone for me, despite only losing to top opponents.

I'd probably put his top 10 roughly in this order. Outside the top few, most of his opponents are barely even worth mentioning. Takam (2018), Scott (2013), Price (2019), Gerber (2013), Johnson (2014), Szpilka (2019), Sexton (2008 & 2010), Gashi (2019), Pala (2013) and Williams (2010).

Ok, I’m going to convey an admittedly controversial opinion here.

Del Boy currently appears to be on the cusp of being a shot fighter, based on the form he displayed during his most recent outing, which was for the Joseph Parker rematch.

However, if we exclude that bout from consideration, then Chisora has delivered some pretty impressive performances in fights that didn’t go his way – meaning his record doesn’t reflect his ability.

I sincerely believe that Chisora beat Joseph Parker and Dillian Whyte in the first bouts against those guys.

Del Boy was far more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than Anthony Joshua was.

Robert Helenius is considered a top-ten world-rated fighter, but I felt the Finnish fighter was beaten by Chisora.

I also believe that Chisora won at least three of the rounds in the Vitali Klitschko bout (i.e. 7th, 8th & 12th), with my scorecard totals reading 117-111.

And one could reasonably argue that none of Vitali’s opponents have won more rounds (on the judges’ scorecards) during their bouts than Del Boy did.

But of course, technically-speaking, Carlos Takam is Del Boy’s best win, closely followed by Sam Sexton and David Price.

I personally don't think any of those fights gave us the incorrect winner but they were clearly close and Chisora fights are often tough to judge(not sure about the Helenius fight as I don't even remember it). There were obviously some questionable scores from the judges and Chisora put up a good fight in most of his defeats.

You could argue that the likes of Wallin, Dubois, Hughie and Ortiz are also mostly ranked highly based on their performances in defeats as well so Chisora is not unique but it's probably more obvious with Chisora.

I don’t 100% disagree with what you’ve written, but I do think you’re being a tad harsh on Chisora, especially when you consider the calibre of opponents he’s fought within the last three years, coupled with his performances in those bouts:

• Joseph Parker
• Oleksandr Usyk
• David Price
• Artur Szpilka

Do you think it’s categorically impossible for Chisora to upset the likes of Luis Ortiz, Michael Hunter, Robert Helenius, Hughie Fury, Efe Ajagba or even Daniel Dubois?

And to be fair, despite the hype that’s been bestowed upon him, we don’t really know how good Filip Hrgovic is? Del Boy might still be capable of giving the unbeaten and unproven Croatian a stern enough challenge to the point an upset is very feasible.

You say that Del Boy isn’t “even close to top 15”, but I personally can’t name 15 fighters that I firmly believe would definitely beat Chisora.

At best, he’s rated somewhere between 12th and 15th. And at worst, he’s fringe top-15. But no one should rate him outside the top-20.

[joshj909]

Ok, I’m going to convey an admittedly controversial opinion here.

Del Boy currently appears to be on the cusp of being a shot fighter, based on the form he displayed during his most recent outing, which was for the Joseph Parker rematch.

However, if we exclude that bout from consideration, then Chisora has delivered some pretty impressive performances in fights that didn’t go his way – meaning his record doesn’t reflect his ability.

I sincerely believe that Chisora beat Joseph Parker and Dillian Whyte in the first bouts against those guys.

Del Boy was far more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than Anthony Joshua was.

Robert Helenius is considered a top-ten world-rated fighter, but I felt the Finnish fighter was beaten by Chisora.

I also believe that Chisora won at least three of the rounds in the Vitali Klitschko bout (i.e. 7th, 8th & 12th), with my scorecard totals reading 117-111.

And one could reasonably argue that none of Vitali’s opponents have won more rounds (on the judges’ scorecards) during their bouts than Del Boy did.

But of course, technically-speaking, Carlos Takam is Del Boy’s best win, closely followed by Sam Sexton and David Price.

I personally don't think any of those fights gave us the incorrect winner but they were clearly close and Chisora fights are often tough to judge(not sure about the Helenius fight as I don't even remember it). There were obviously some questionable scores from the judges and Chisora put up a good fight in most of his defeats.

You could argue that the likes of Wallin, Dubois, Hughie and Ortiz are also mostly ranked highly based on their performances in defeats as well so Chisora is not unique but it's probably more obvious with Chisora.

I don’t 100% disagree with what you’ve written, but I do think you’re being a tad harsh on Chisora, especially when you consider the calibre of opponents he’s fought within the last three years, coupled with his performances in those bouts:

• Joseph Parker
• Oleksandr Usyk
• David Price
• Artur Szpilka

Do you think it’s categorically impossible for Chisora to upset the likes of Luis Ortiz, Michael Hunter, Robert Helenius, Hughie Fury, Efe Ajagba or even Daniel Dubois?

And to be fair, despite the hype that’s been bestowed upon him, we don’t really know how good Filip Hrgovic is? Del Boy might still be capable of giving the unbeaten and unproven Croatian a stern enough challenge to the point an upset is very feasible.

You say that Del Boy isn’t “even close to top 15”, but I personally can’t name 15 fighters that I firmly believe would definitely beat Chisora.

At best, he’s rated somewhere between 12th and 15th. And at worst, he’s fringe top-15. But no one should rate him outside the top-20.

Based on ability, yes, he can easily challenge or beat a lot of the top 20 guys. However, based on his wins/record which is how rankings should be assessed in my view, that's where it comes into question.

[joshj909]

Well those rumours lasted long...

[Enlightened-One]

Well those rumours lasted long...

It's very confusing, because in an iFL TV video published 20 minutes ago, Eddie Hearn claims that Luis Ortiz's handlers have just offered to face Anthony Joshua for his June fight-date (based on the expectation that Oleksandr Usyk will remain in the Ukraine to fight alongside his close friend, Vasyl Lomachenko).

Michael Benson's claims clearly differ from what I've seen being conveyed during an interview from the proverbial horse's mouth.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Well those rumours lasted long...

It's very confusing, because in an iFL TV video published 20 minutes ago, Eddie Hearn claims that Luis Ortiz's handlers have just offered to face Anthony Joshua for his June fight-date (based on the expectation that Oleksandr Usyk will remain in the Ukraine to fight alongside his close friend, Vasyl Lomachenko).

Michael Benson's claims clearly differ from what I've seen being conveyed during an interview from the proverbial horse's mouth.

I guess everyone is offering everyone anything at the moment and see what sticks and what gets agreed.

No issue with being in multiple negotiations at once.

[Enlightened-One]

Well those rumours lasted long...

It's very confusing, because in an iFL TV video published 20 minutes ago, Eddie Hearn claims that Luis Ortiz's handlers have just offered to face Anthony Joshua for his June fight-date (based on the expectation that Oleksandr Usyk will remain in the Ukraine to fight alongside his close friend, Vasyl Lomachenko).

Michael Benson's claims clearly differ from what I've seen being conveyed during an interview from the proverbial horse's mouth.

I guess everyone is offering everyone anything at the moment and see what sticks and what gets agreed.

No issue with being in multiple negotiations at once.

I agree.

It's clear that Hearn is at least considering Luis Ortiz as an opponent for Dereck Chisora and Anthony Joshua.

And it's also fairly obvious that the PBC has been mentioning a potential bout between Ortiz and Ruiz Jr. for quite some time now.

But my money is on Ortiz's next opponent being a journeyman, despite potential opportunities to face the likes of Joshua, Ruiz Jr. and Chisora.

I'm very confident that I'll end up being proven right, because history tends to repeat itself.