FantasyMatchup 1: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Rocky Marciano

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 05 Aug 2006, 11:25

Roy Jones is undeniably faster in every aspect of the game, but would his leaning on the ropes leave too many openings to his body? One good shot in the abdomen and Roy Jones would be done, no way would Jones be able to piss after Marciano caught him once. Marciano by late KO.

~A.W.F~

theone · Post by **theone** » 05 Aug 2006, 11:48

Although I believe Marciano is overrated in head to head competition against other heavyweight greats, I believe only a true heavyweight great had a chance of beating him.
Eventually Marciano catches Jones, round 7,8,9, maybe; and its lights out.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 05 Aug 2006, 12:20

Roy couldnt avoid the thunderous shots of Marciano for too long and would suffer a brutal KO once the rock got to him. Marciano KO 6 Jones.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 05 Aug 2006, 13:11

Only way I would see Jones winning is by running all night and looking horrible doing so.

~A.W.F~

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Aug 2006, 13:22

jones speed athletisism will give marciano crazy fits in the early rounds. but marciano throughout his career was used to dealing with speedy smaller master boxers.

jones will trouble rocky greatly early, but jones does not have a chin at heavyweight and when marciano does land and he will at some point in the fight its lightsout.

the suzy Q will be waiting for the right time to streak and then ITS LIGHTS OUT!

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 06 Aug 2006, 10:30

AndreWardFan2006 wrote:Roy Jones is undeniably faster in every aspect of the game, but would his leaning on the ropes leave too many openings to his body? One good shot in the abdomen and Roy Jones would be done, no way would Jones be able to piss after Marciano caught him once. Marciano by late KO.

~A.W.F~

First thing to recognize is that prime (l-h) RJJ and prime Marciano would have come into the fight at pretty much the same weight, and both wer/are 5'11. There would have been no size advantage for Marciano. Second, prime Jones had the tools to stay away from Susie Q for 12 rounds. Third, prime RJJ had not only the foot- and handspeed but also the power to trouble Marciano badly.

Which leads me to the conclusion that Marciano would only have had a come-from-behind puncher's chance. Styles make fights, and prime RJJ is not a good style-matchup for Marciano.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Aug 2006, 13:00

funny how jones is going to stay away from marciano for 12 rounds yet the unskilled joke of a champion john ruiz was able to hit and hurt roy jones during there 12 rounds. if ruiz can get to jones, so can marciano.

are u honestly picking a never proven heavyweight glass jaw roy jones over a ATG top 10 heavyweight of all time?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 06 Aug 2006, 13:21

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:funny how jones is going to stay away from marciano for 12 rounds yet the unskilled joke of a champion john ruiz was able to hit and hurt roy jones during there 12 rounds. if ruiz can get to jones, so can marciano.

are u honestly picking a never proven heavyweight glass jaw roy jones over a ATG top 10 heavyweight of all time?

RJJ wasn't prime any more by the time he fought Ruiz. Besides, when did Ruiz hurt Jones except perhaps in round 1?

theone · Post by **theone** » 06 Aug 2006, 13:30

are u honestly picking a never proven heavyweight glass jaw roy jones over a ATG top 10 heavyweight of all time?

Whoa Brock. I agree with you on the subject of this post but calling Jones glass jawed is pushing it. Something happened to Jones on his way back down to lightheavy from heavyweight. The extreme loss of muscle effected him greatly, you could even see it on his face in before the first Tarver fight.

The punches Tarver and Johnson ko'd him with were NOT the hardest Jones had been hit with in his career. Ruiz himself hit him with shots early in there which were much harder. I dont think its fair to now label Jones a glass jaw fighter all his career who somehow was lucky enough never to get hit with a solid shot until Tarver.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 06 Aug 2006, 15:24

Prime or no prime, Roy Jones couldn't take on Marciano and beat him. I remember vividly the Jones vs Ruiz bout, and the opening punch of the opening round was a body shot from Ruiz to Jones---and Jones went flying across the ring---and after that moment Jones was more cautious and the referee was being very odd as everytime Ruiz was able to upload his attack on Jones, the ref split them apart.

If Ruiz could knock Jones across the ring and Ruiz isn't even known for hiw power, I could only imagine what Marciano would have done, it would have been like those Budweiser beer commercials that had Holyfield knock that one guys head off.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 06 Aug 2006, 15:37

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:
If Ruiz could knock Jones across the ring and Ruiz isn't even known for hiw power,

Seriously, what fight did you guys watch??

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Aug 2006, 15:39

Roy Jones starts off looking spectacular as the normal Roy Jones would outboxing Marciano sticking and moving sticking his tongue out dancing around and in about the 5th round the first good punch Marciano lands sends Jones down for the count.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Aug 2006, 16:08

Grimm wrote:Roy Jones starts off looking spectacular as the normal Roy Jones would outboxing Marciano sticking and moving sticking his tongue out dancing around and in about the 5th round the first good punch Marciano lands sends Jones down for the count.

i totally agree.

jones cant possibly handle marcianos power. the first overhand right that lands, its lights out for jones. marciano was not slow. he was pretty good at cutting off the ring. once marciano had his man hurt, he never let up and never stopped throwing punches. jones will be caught eventually and that will be it.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Aug 2006, 16:37

theone wrote:
are u honestly picking a never proven heavyweight glass jaw roy jones over a ATG top 10 heavyweight of all time?
Whoa Brock. I agree with you on the subject of this post but calling Jones glass jawed is pushing it. Something happened to Jones on his way back down to lightheavy from heavyweight. The extreme loss of muscle effected him greatly, you could even see it on his face in before the first Tarver fight.

The punches Tarver and Johnson ko'd him with were NOT the hardest Jones had been hit with in his career. Ruiz himself hit him with shots early in there which were much harder. I dont think its fair to now label Jones a glass jaw fighter all his career who somehow was lucky enough never to get hit with a solid shot until Tarver.

roy jones is too unproven at heavyweight to be picked over a calibre of marciano. the only heavyweight match we can judge him on is the ruiz fight and light hitting ruiz tagged jones and even stunned jones in round 1 with a right hand. if ruiz is landing on jones , marciano will.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 06 Aug 2006, 17:44

Champion Heavyweights Roy Jones could beat:

1. John Ruiz
2. Primo Carnera
3. Uh um
4. er uh
5. hmmm
6 John Ruiz
7. Prim.....oops said them already

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Aug 2006, 17:49

BoxBuzz wrote:Champion Heavyweights Roy Jones could beat:

1. John Ruiz
2. Primo Carnera
3. Uh um
4. er uh
5. hmmm
6 John Ruiz
7. Prim.....oops said them already

How about Leon Spinks?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 06 Aug 2006, 17:51

Would that be a riot of a fight to watch? How about either of the Spinks brothers vs Jones. Hey let's let Cory at him as well.

theone · Post by **theone** » 06 Aug 2006, 19:26

Would that be a riot of a fight to watch? How about either of the Spinks brothers vs Jones. Hey let's let Cory at him as well.

Leon losses in a highly entertaining fight; Michael ko's Jones mid rounds and Cory..well, you know.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 Aug 2006, 20:42

Collins2000 wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Champion Heavyweights Roy Jones could beat:

1. John Ruiz
2. Primo Carnera
3. Uh um
4. er uh
5. hmmm
6 John Ruiz
7. Prim.....oops said them already
How about Leon Spinks?

I'd take prime Leon over Jones.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 08 Aug 2006, 00:41

Roy Jones can win a decision against Marciano, but if he gave Marciano just a moment, Rocky would KTFO Roy.

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 08 Aug 2006, 03:21

It just shows how futile it is to compare fighters of different eras. I know this has been mentioned before but athletes are bigger, faster and better than they were before. Peak Roy is more or less same size as Marciano but more athletic. He can devise a strategy and probably be able to outpoint him, maybe even easily. They have both left their marks during their areas and that is a better place to judge them.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » 08 Aug 2006, 08:03

Jones wont be doing what don mogard and ted lowry did..last the distance

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 08 Aug 2006, 08:22

Neo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before but athletes are bigger, faster and better than they were before.

While in general this true, in boxing it is not quite that simple. The popularity and level of participation in boxing is much less than it was in the past, and is declining quite rapidly. There are far less gyms, trainers and boxers, and it’s pretty hard to say that fighters are better when there are so few of them and so few opportunities for young athletes to be come fighters. Bigger yes. But how many of these bigger HWs can actually fight well beyond 3 or 4 rounds? Watch the level of performance in Ali-Farzier I in the 15th round and then show me ANY HW in the past 20 years that could perform at that level for 15 rounds.

While it’s hard to deny that a guy like Lewis with his skills and size would b a tough fight for just about any HW from the past, he’s probably the exception for the giant HWs of today. Can anyone name any other super sized HW of today that has the excellent skills and conditioning of most of the great HWs of the past?

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 08 Aug 2006, 08:24

Grimm wrote:I'd take prime Leon over Jones.

I agree. The Leon that beat Ali could have pressured and worn down RJJ.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 08 Aug 2006, 08:29

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:...light hitting ruiz tagged jones and even stunned jones in round 1 with a right hand.

I'd hardly call Ruiz light hitting. He may not be Foreman or Shavers, but he does have a little pop in his right. And I don’t recall any time in the RJJ-Ruiz fight where I would say that RJJ was really hurt.

Of course, I think Rocky squashes RJJ in a middle round after struggling to find a target in the first half of the fight.

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