Tyson Fury vs. Dillian Whyte | BT PPV - 23 April 2022

Who wins?

Poll ended at 23 Apr 2022, 11:41

Fury - Decision
63
31%
Fury - T/KO
109
54%
DRAW
3
1%
Whyte - T/KO
24
12%
Whyte - Decision
3
1%
 
Total votes: 202

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Finkel wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 22:55
Dioufy wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 17:37 Lowe v Ball is a good fight.
Adekale v Healy is a decent fight as he’s overweight but does true to win.
Cacace v Romero on paper isn’t the worst (I’ve seen nothing of Romero so guessing).
Fury v whoever he is… bad fight. Should be fighting a 200lb fighter with a winning record tbh.
The undercard is like a normal Frank BT show.
Anyone think the days of the stacked PPV cards aren’t over and crazy.
That suggests the issue is with Warren

Fury v Wilder 3 had a great undercard (one fight ago)
Wilder v Fury 2 was also a good undercard (two fights ago)
In America is different.
In the UK from now on it’s gonna be big main events with these type of fights on the undercard.
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Post by margaret thatcher »

from the promoters view point it makes sense unfortunetly. with names like fury and whyte fighting its all about the main event. the amount of people out there who are hardcores and are only gonna buy with a good undercard are tiny in the overall picture
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It makes sense short term, mabey, but i hardly even buy into that completely... Im going to stream this now, If there were 2 good undercard fights, Id buy it. but short term aside It misses a massive chance to build your other fighters, and build the sport and to build Bts brand.

I think Part of the problem is frank is in desperate need of headliners: joyce hurt, DDD on a don king card/in a court room, Yard in limbo with the Callum johnson/betterbiev/joe smith situation, Turns out david Adele is shit...

Fwank Hasnt put on a single good fight so far this year, not one. would say Jenkins vs marku is better than any fight frank has put on yet... and up untill mid may it will be better than the 2nd best fight fwank will have put on.....I mean, he has 40 million sunk into an event, and all his other names arnt available, so its partialy understandable.

Ekow vs Ava would of been perfect for this undercard. but then frank loses two "headlines" in these tough times.
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Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:15
Finkel wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 22:55
Dioufy wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 17:37 Lowe v Ball is a good fight.
Adekale v Healy is a decent fight as he’s overweight but does true to win.
Cacace v Romero on paper isn’t the worst (I’ve seen nothing of Romero so guessing).
Fury v whoever he is… bad fight. Should be fighting a 200lb fighter with a winning record tbh.
The undercard is like a normal Frank BT show.
Anyone think the days of the stacked PPV cards aren’t over and crazy.
That suggests the issue is with Warren

Fury v Wilder 3 had a great undercard (one fight ago)
Wilder v Fury 2 was also a good undercard (two fights ago)
In America is different.
In the UK from now on it’s gonna be big main events with these type of fights on the undercard.
I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
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KiwiRider wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:28
dookus wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:03 94,000 casuals, travellers and roadmen in one place all night, disinterested in the undercard, with allegedly in charge of paying the security. :o
Oh gawd, when you put it like that, they are going to be mighty testie by whenever the main event comes on, and from recent form it will be plenty beers in..
Fwank only pays for inner ringside security. The rest are supplied by the venue. There'll be hardly any Rodmen there and the casuals will be strictly team Fury.
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mickey1975 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:10
KiwiRider wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:28
dookus wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:03 94,000 casuals, travellers and roadmen in one place all night, disinterested in the undercard, with allegedly in charge of paying the security. :o
Oh gawd, when you put it like that, they are going to be mighty testie by whenever the main event comes on, and from recent form it will be plenty beers in..
Fwank only pays for inner ringside security. The rest are supplied by the venue. There'll be hardly any Rodmen there and the casuals will be strictly team Fury.
It was more the wait Mick. Hopefully it all runs on time.
I actually don't mind a few of the undercard fights, it could have been way worse considering how long it took to announce them.
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gregregegg wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:34 It makes sense short term, mabey, but i hardly even buy into that completely... Im going to stream this now, If there were 2 good undercard fights, Id buy it. but short term aside It misses a massive chance to build your other fighters, and build the sport and to build Bts brand.
Yes - long term it's damaging to boxing as a whole. There simply is no foresight of building things for next a time.
Whilst the gate has sold out in breathtaking style - it will be very interesting to see PPVs.

And as identified earlier - thousands of pissed up travellers and roadmen swapping their cheap seats for unoccupied expensive seats everytime someone takes a piss is hardly gonna encourage those casuals to buy a ticket again.

UFC do things so much better.
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Finkel wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:47
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:15
Finkel wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 22:55
That suggests the issue is with Warren

Fury v Wilder 3 had a great undercard (one fight ago)
Wilder v Fury 2 was also a good undercard (two fights ago)
In America is different.
In the UK from now on it’s gonna be big main events with these type of fights on the undercard.
I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
Joshua v Usyk was shite.
I know because I paid 80 quid for the honour.
Only Marku v the Italian was the only interesting fight.
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Finkel wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:47
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:15
Finkel wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 22:55
That suggests the issue is with Warren

Fury v Wilder 3 had a great undercard (one fight ago)
Wilder v Fury 2 was also a good undercard (two fights ago)
In America is different.
In the UK from now on it’s gonna be big main events with these type of fights on the undercard.
I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
Khan/Brook was dire. Strangely I slightly prefer this one due to the Lowe fight. The rest is really poor. I’m not surprised by it, just disappointed it’s not a bit better.
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Post by margaret thatcher »

jonaton romero used to be good, but all his fights have been meaningless since being beat by kiko 9 years ago. plus that was at 122....

i wasnt aware he was still boxing tbh, kinda a random name to see in the uk in 2022
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Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:03
Finkel wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:47
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:15

In America is different.
In the UK from now on it’s gonna be big main events with these type of fights on the undercard.
I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
Joshua v Usyk was shite.
I know because I paid 80 quid for the honour.
Only Marku v the Italian was the only interesting fight.
That was a bad one for Matchroom but it was still a fair bit better than this one. Marku vs Italian and Ousley vs Baysangurov were both well matched, Callum Smith made his return although Okolie was given another crap WBO mandatory to fight.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:11 jonaton romero used to be good, but all his fights have been meaningless since being beat by kiko 9 years ago. plus that was at 122....

i wasnt aware he was still boxing tbh, kinda a random name to see in the uk in 2022
Same. I had to check Boxrec to make sure it was the same guy Kiko hammered.
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maverick23 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:13
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:03
Finkel wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:47

I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
Joshua v Usyk was shite.
I know because I paid 80 quid for the honour.
Only Marku v the Italian was the only interesting fight.
That was a bad one for Matchroom but it was still a fair bit better than this one. Marku vs Italian and Ousley vs Baysangurov were both well matched, Callum Smith made his return although Okolie was given another crap WBO mandatory to fight.
This is what I mean, people have short memories.

I watched a couple of those fights on the Joshua v Usyk. Have very little interest in this card outside of Fury v Whyte. And as much as I like Whyte, he is not on the level of an Usyk and no one is giving him much of a chance here.
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gregregegg wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 19:01
dookus wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:03 94,000 casuals, travellers and roadmen in one place all night, disinterested in the undercard, with allegedly in charge of paying the security. :o
Ill buy the PPV if it comes with a bonus feature at the end of "security camera highlights".
:lol: sounds like a bargain bucket VHS from back in the day
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maverick23 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:13
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:03
Finkel wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 00:47

I don't see any evidence for that. Perhaps you can tell me which marquee fights had undercards comparable to this

Warren isn't just lowering the bar here, he is digging a hole
Joshua v Usyk was shite.
I know because I paid 80 quid for the honour.
Only Marku v the Italian was the only interesting fight.
That was a bad one for Matchroom but it was still a fair bit better than this one. Marku vs Italian and Ousley vs Baysangurov were both well matched, Callum Smith made his return although Okolie was given another crap WBO mandatory to fight.
Ousley v Bay was at like 5pm.
Wasn’t on the PPV broadcast.
Smith come back against a cabbage.


Ball v Lowe is a good fight.
Cacace v Romero looks okay but I admit…. I never seen Romero. Is he any good? I’m guessing he’s out of his natural weight division.
Adelaye v Healy is okay. Healy will come to win and beat Whittaker last for a area belt.
Whittaker then fought Fisher on a Matchroom Fight Camp show that was on tv.

Don’t get me wrong… it’s not a great undercard but I don’t think it’s too completely atrocious like some do.
The Conor Benn one looks equally atrocious and that’s 10 days away.

This is the future. Focusing the money on the main event and just fill the rest.

Boxxer’s PPV show with Khan/Brook is another perfect example that you asked for.
All 3 major UK promotors capable of putting on PPVs will and are following the same model.

This is the future bud.
1 good main event.
1 50/50 at domestic level.
1 women’s title fight.
4x prospects vs unknowns/cabbages.
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Khan and Brooke was just a money grab, so that is to be expected. Even so, Frazer Clarke's debut was more interesting that anything here. Still I didn't pay for it.

But this card is that bad.

Is it too much to expect one undercard fight involving a top 20 fighter from one of the many weight classes?
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KiwiRider wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:18
mickey1975 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:10
KiwiRider wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:28

Oh gawd, when you put it like that, they are going to be mighty testie by whenever the main event comes on, and from recent form it will be plenty beers in..
Fwank only pays for inner ringside security. The rest are supplied by the venue. There'll be hardly any Rodmen there and the casuals will be strictly team Fury.
It was more the wait Mick. Hopefully it all runs on time.
I actually don't mind a few of the undercard fights, it could have been way worse considering how long it took to announce them.
It’s gonna have to run on time. Wembley still has its 11pm curfew.

Main event will start at 10pm.
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Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:40
maverick23 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:13
Dioufy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:03

Joshua v Usyk was shite.
I know because I paid 80 quid for the honour.
Only Marku v the Italian was the only interesting fight.
That was a bad one for Matchroom but it was still a fair bit better than this one. Marku vs Italian and Ousley vs Baysangurov were both well matched, Callum Smith made his return although Okolie was given another crap WBO mandatory to fight.
Ousley v Bay was at like 5pm.
Wasn’t on the PPV broadcast.
Smith come back against a cabbage.


Ball v Lowe is a good fight.
Cacace v Romero looks okay but I admit…. I never seen Romero. Is he any good? I’m guessing he’s out of his natural weight division.
Adelaye v Healy is okay. Healy will come to win and beat Whittaker last for a area belt.
Whittaker then fought Fisher on a Matchroom Fight Camp show that was on tv.

Don’t get me wrong… it’s not a great undercard but I don’t think it’s too completely atrocious like some do.
The Conor Benn one looks equally atrocious and that’s 10 days away.

This is the future. Focusing the money on the main event and just fill the rest.

Boxxer’s PPV show with Khan/Brook is another perfect example that you asked for.
All 3 major UK promotors capable of putting on PPVs will and are following the same model.

This is the future bud.
1 good main event.
1 50/50 at domestic level.
1 women’s title fight.
4x prospects vs unknowns/cabbages.
Yeah - I’m not defending the AJ/Usyk undercard as it was pretty poor but my point was more that it was still a fair bit better than this one in my opinion.

The Ousley fight was on early but I still watched it with interest. The Smith fight was particularly well matched but it’s not like Castillo was Bobby Gunn levels of poor.

Ball/Lowe is a pretty good fight. I think Cacace will beat Romero with ease. Romero is a really poor quality world champion (something we don’t get many of nowadays) and Kiko walked through him at super bantamweight. That was nearly 9 years ago and he hasn’t fought anyone of note since then. He’d be cheap and has been matched so Frank can see Cacace is fighting a former world champ.

I’m not too fussed by the Adeleye fight either. Healey is at a similar level to Whittaker (they fought twice, both close and 1 win each) who Adeleye stopped early in his third or fourth pro fight. I think it would have been a perfect chance to rematch Sokolowski, or assuming he’s unavailable due to his fight in Dubai, have a small step up.

The Benn undercard is crap because as far as I’m aware there’s only one confirmed fight on it. That one fight is still better than the whole of this undercard. Obviously though the main events are leagues apart.

I understand that the undercard is unlikely to materially boost PPV buys but I think it’s a bit disrespectful to actual boxing fans. It doesn’t take much either - just a couple of well matched fights at a decent level. Even though in Whyte’s rematch with Povetkin he was fighting a shell of the fighter he once was I still really enjoyed the show because of the class Cheeseman/Metcalf fight, the tactical fight between Kongo and McKinson and the the Pfiefer/Webb fights.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 04:17
KiwiRider wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:18
mickey1975 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:10
Fwank only pays for inner ringside security. The rest are supplied by the venue. There'll be hardly any Rodmen there and the casuals will be strictly team Fury.
It was more the wait Mick. Hopefully it all runs on time.
I actually don't mind a few of the undercard fights, it could have been way worse considering how long it took to announce them.
It’s gonna have to run on time. Wembley still has its 11pm curfew.

Main event will start at 10pm.
Ah, everyone loves a curfew :D
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maverick23 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:14
margaret thatcher wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 03:11 jonaton romero used to be good, but all his fights have been meaningless since being beat by kiko 9 years ago. plus that was at 122....

i wasnt aware he was still boxing tbh, kinda a random name to see in the uk in 2022
Same. I had to check Boxrec to make sure it was the same guy Kiko hammered.
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@maverick

Believe me, mate, I want better undercards served up and the 3 examples that I give you of British PPV events show a complete lack of respect for true fans like us. I am in now way defending the shite being served up.
My point was that this kinda shite wouldn’t be tolerated in the States and poorer undercards are becoming more frequent here.

It’s not just Queensbury. Matchroom and Boxxer are showing very similar traits as well.
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If i were Fury i would of secretly take a 2 million pay cut and put it in the undercard... Make my big wembely event sickkk, boost PPV numbers (even if just bit) and help your negotiating position if you go on to fight AJ or Usyk...

for 2 million extra you could chuck on 3x 50-50 brittish title fights, 2x 50-50 euro belt fights and a couple of lowish levle heavyweight tear ups... Make it a night to remember, earn more next fight, support boxing.
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mickey1975 wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 02:10
KiwiRider wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:28
dookus wrote: 05 Apr 2022, 18:03 94,000 casuals, travellers and roadmen in one place all night, disinterested in the undercard, with allegedly in charge of paying the security. :o
Oh gawd, when you put it like that, they are going to be mighty testie by whenever the main event comes on, and from recent form it will be plenty beers in..
Fwank only pays for inner ringside security. The rest are supplied by the venue. There'll be hardly any Rodmen there and the casuals will be strictly team Fury.
Apologies in advance for the long post:

To the people referencing Fury-Chisora 2, like this is going to be some repeat of that with 94,000 people, the main problems with that event shouldn't be a factor here.

Security: it's Wembley Stadium. They're used to the football crowds who are just as a big a bunch of knobs as boxing fans and hate each other. The Excel had a team of stewards basically.

Booze: they wouldn't let people take their beers to their seats at the Excel, which was a silly thing to do, as people want to get drunk but also watch the fights, so people buy in volume and drink it much faster. I remember way back watching Haye-Mac at the 02 and they did the same thing, and there was trouble on the landings and in the bar queues. They must've learned something from that as it's normal to be able to have a beer at your seat now.

Tetchy crowd: Fury-Chis was basically a double header, with Eubank jnr against BJS probably being the more anticipated than the main event. Trouble is, you couldn't really see anything. There was no big screen to my memory, and it went 12 and was just boring. The main event was f*cking awful too, and the whole night dragged on forever. That isn't going to be a problem here: the undercard is crap, so everyone will on the piss in London all day (hopefully the biggest muppets will get themselves arrested before even stepping foot in Wembley). Maybe even the Northern fans will make a weekend of it and will burn themselves out a bit the night before? Basically, I forsee a big crowd queuing to get in from about 8ish, watch Tyson, Dillian gets KO'd, back out on the town.

Warren events always overrun: they ALWAYS do! I've never been to one where he didn't put far too many fights on and f*ck up the timing so that people had to leave before the end! There's the 11pm curfew which is something at least, so that shouldn't happen here.

Crowd trouble: casuals are often more amusing than anything, and we were all one once weren't we? I can imagine they might wind their necks in a little more here as there will be loads of travellers in attendance. Can't see many 'roadmen' attending. Dillian isn't really that big a name to those lads, not even in Brixton. I think his fanbase is Matchroom FC. Joshua definitely, Dillian I can't see it. There'll be fights, because there always is, but in my experience fights usually happen during crap boxing matches where everyone is bored. There's a shocking boring undercard for this, but nobody will be there. They'll be in the pub.

Piss: people pissed everywhere because nobody knew where the toilets were. Wembley has numerous and easily accessible toilet facilities.

Seat nicking: shouldn't be a problem for us. We're up in the Gods with all the plebs. Any naughty seat swapping should hopefully be in the domain of the money'd tossers below. We'll actually torture ourselves with the undercard, so we'll be nicely in our seats before the hordes arrive, I assume?

Summary: As Mick pointed out, the crowd will be almost exclusively pro-Fury, seeing as Dillian had no input in it selling out I doubt there will be many people there to see him. I forsee it being generally quite good natured. I just don't think that many people will be in there until later, and everyone will want to see the main event. That's the only reason they're there. So most people will be smart enough to know not to get thrown out before or during it. MOST. If I thought it was going be Dante's nine circles of hell, like people are making it out to be, I wouldn't go.

*Edited to put in the right name of the Fury-Del rematch venue. Got a bit confused.
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Good post Cyclops makes a lot of sense that. Hope you have a good night 👍🏼
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Wee Tommy wrote: 06 Apr 2022, 07:42 Good post Cyclops makes a lot of sense that. Hope you have a good night 👍🏼
So do I, Tam! Looking forward to it!
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