Good comeback win for GGG! G's hands and head seem to be made of heavy cast-iron!

[Enlightened-One]

bro you're talking almost exclusively with yourself, currently. I mean, one way or another that's kinda always been the case, but...

Are you saying that multiple people in this thread haven't been discussing Golovkin's first two bouts against Canelo?

Are you saying that multiple people within other recently-created threads haven't been discussing Golovkin's first two bouts against Canelo?

[Counter-puncher]

i'm saying that people ignore you, because you're boring

they may well discuss the things you mention, perhaps frequently, perhaps even on this thread- they're just not all that interested in discussing them with you

[Enlightened-One]

i'm saying that people ignore you, because you're boring

they may well discuss the things you mention, perhaps frequently, perhaps even on this thread- they're just not all that interested in discussing them with you

Boo hoo hoo!!!

You're obviously interested, because you've responded twice!

It's almost as if you keep shooting yourself in the foot on purpose!

Your own actions prove you're wrong again!

[apollo creed]

true.

Canelo knew that G gave him hell, so he waited G to get even older, 40.

Steve Rolls, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Kamil Szeremeta and Ryota Murata.

By Cinco de Mayo, Canelo would have beaten the following opponents within the last 4½ years (since the 2017 bout against Golovkin):

• Rocky Fielding
  Daniel Jacobs
  Sergey Kovalev
  Callum Smith
  Avni Yildirim
  Billy Joe Saunders
  Caleb Plant
  Dmitry Bivol

Golovkin has only fought the following opponents within the equivalent timeframe:

• Steve Rolls
  Sergiy Derevyanchenko
  Kamil Szeremeta
  Ryota Murata

Are you telling me that GGG couldn’t have fought the likes of Munguia, Charlo or Andrade during that timeframe to keep himself busy?

The great of the greats; Rocky Fielding
Avni Yıldırım; the devastator
Caleb Plant; the mostly proven one
Sergey Kovalev; the not-washed up

Besides Bivol(finally); only Callum Smith, Saunders and Jacobs are relevant. This is for Canelo prime.
GGG, being past his prime, chose to be busy this way. Simple as that. (I'd prefer the other way though.)

This doesn't change the main point:
Canelo with Mexican Beef, lost to GGG twice unofficially, and waited for "40" for the trilogy.

Spot on!

You slapped Eunuch-One!

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

His style is impetious and defense impregnable

Hes ferocious and will eat canelos babies

[apollo creed]

bro you're talking almost exclusively with yourself, currently. I mean, one way or another that's kinda always been the case, but...

I guess Eunuch-One is doing a lot of nasty physically things to himself too.

[apollo creed]

His style is impetious and defense impregnable

Hes ferocious and will eat canelos babies

yeah but Clenelo likes to eat mexican cow's babies.

If a full enhanced Clenelo with his judges could not beat a 35-37 y/o GGG, then thats speak for itself on how good and strong Golovkin is.

[gilgamesh]

Some of these posts about GGG are just ridiculous. Completely forgotten is how he handled Canelo (who is great no doubt). Canelo has a lot of balls but none of his camp wanted to face GGG again. Murata fought his heart out. Olympic Gold Medalist. Biggest fight of his life at home. He should be praised.

Praise for fighting a 40-year-old that everybody says is way past his best??

Murata would've never been able to beat Golovkin, I'm not sure if he'd beat a 45 year old Golovkin, but he at least fought gamely and tried his best. Golovkin's just better than him. No shame in that. Everybody can't be the best, that's what makes the best special.

[gilgamesh]

GGG beat Canelo twice?

In what fantasy league did this happen?

GGG did beat him twice, unofficialy. That's the majority opinion.
Happens in boxing all the time. There is even a term used for that: "Robbery"

İn fact; what fantasy league are you in?!

Neither fight was a robbery.

1st fight definitely WAS a robbery. There's no way you can have Canelo winning that fight, and the judge that had him winning it wide clearly was paid off. Only explanation.

The 2nd fight which I actually had wider points wise for Golovkin was closer because there were a lot more swing rounds, so I can't call it a robbery, but Golovkin beat him twice IMO.

He can't beat Canelo with anything short of a KO, those 2 fights showed us that.

Hell even Mayweather only got a "Majority Decision" over Canelo in a fight where he won 12 rounds to f*cking 0. The judges might quit protecting him once he starts to fade, and it's time to make a new star, but as long as he's the cash cow they'll watch his back, and for the record...even though this is the case, it really shouldn't be held against Canelo who is still a ballsy fighter who is willing to take on the best time and time again. And more often than not he doesn't NEED help from the officials. He just has it anytime he needs it.

[gilgamesh]

fight 1 : ggg 116-113

fight 2 : cinnamon 115-113

Having the 2nd fight for Canelo to me kinda shows how you can have Floyd vs Canelo a draw. It means some people just give the round to the guy coming forward whether he's landing more shots or not.

Maybe that's how Chavez got the draw against Whitaker. Just come forward. It impresses some people apparently.

[JCS]

I thought both GGG/Canelo fights were drawish sort of fights... draw or 1 round in either direction.

[apollo creed]

I think if GGG would stay in the chest of Canelo, fighting and throwing awkward punches like Maidana did vs FMJ, the 40 y/o GGG has a good chance to give a tough fight to Canelo. Also G should use his height and lean on Canelo like WK did with Povetkin.

Anyway , but lets not overlook Bivol.

[KiwiRider]

I'll echo what most here have said. For a 40 year old, GGG looked great. He's still a top man, despite clearly not being the fighter he used to be. Age catches up to us all. At this point, I hope for another 2-3 fights and then a healthy retirement for him. I'd rather not see him fight Canelo again, but that's just me.

That's not just you, that's everyone who is a GGG fan, and not a blood thirsty psychopath

[margaret thatcher]

aside from beating the ring magazine #5 and espn #4, to become unified champ at 40, prizefighter gennady golovkin is doing great for himself isnt he - some dudes said he'd never make dat big money that petey quillin was pocketing.....now he can buy and sell his ass, and the arses of charlo ,andrade, billy joe, dre ward and the like

after canelo beats his arse, he should retire with his hundred of millions and look forward to his glorious hof induction

[apollo creed]

aside from beating the ring magazine #5 and espn #4, to become unified champ at 40, prizefighter gennady golovkin is doing great for himself isnt he - some dudes said he'd never make dat big money that petey quillin was pocketing.....now he can buy and sell his ass, and the arses of charlo ,andrade, billy joe, dre ward and the like

after canelo beats his arse, he should retire with his hundred of millions and look forward to his glorious hof induction

Indeed.

G has so much money that even Eunuch-One would love to wash G's sweaty feet and drink that water.

I remember that some time ago when G was avoided like plague by Sturm, Quillin and even Martinez, his detractors were so vocal that G must fight Ward and Lara to prove he is the real deal. lol

[Thomastearns]

I think if GGG would stay in the chest of Canelo, fighting and throwing awkward punches like Maidana did vs FMJ, the 40 y/o GGG has a good chance to give a tough fight to Canelo. Also G should use his height and lean on Canelo like WK did with Povetkin.

Anyway , but lets not overlook Bivol.

The 31 year old Bivol should only be considered a decent warm up for the 31 year old Canelo. Let's face it, if he was seen as a genuine threat he wouldn't be getting the fight.

Canelo avoided GGG for years and then fixed the fight. It was only after the near unanimous outcry at the judging that he was forced to give the rematch - give or take a failed test or two and some hard prefight financial negotiations.

A rematch that he couldn't lose as long as he remained vertical.

He's had very little interest in GGG since.

There is a pattern here - Canelo avoids GGG until his hand is forced, and even then he demands all of the prefight advantages.

Hopefully Bivol can at least give him something to think about.

[punchoutsb]

I'll echo what most here have said. For a 40 year old, GGG looked great. He's still a top man, despite clearly not being the fighter he used to be. Age catches up to us all. At this point, I hope for another 2-3 fights and then a healthy retirement for him. I'd rather not see him fight Canelo again, but that's just me.

That's not just you, that's everyone who is a GGG fan, and not a blood thirsty psychopath

Glad I’m not the only one

[jezzamundo]

I thought both GGG/Canelo fights were drawish sort of fights... draw or 1 round in either direction.

As long as you understand you're in the minority in that view - they were very different fights and Canelo performed MUCH better in the rematch. I actually think 117:111 to GGG is a more reasonable scorecard for their first fight than a draw, which you can only get by giving Canelo every competitive round.

[giacomino]

Good comeback win for GGG, glad to see him back in the ring, but Murata was a classic paper belt holder who had a carefully stage-managed career and hadn't beaten anyone of note. Murata deserves lots of credit for showing the courage to fight GGG and land some big shots early and take a beating, but even a 40-year-old, inactive GGG was a huge step up for him. A 35-year-old GGG would have taken him out in 4 rounds tops.
If I remember correctly, I had GGG up 2 or 3 points in the first Canelo fight, draw/one point either way the second. I don't think the results were anywhere near the worst robbery we've seen, but GGG definitely won the first fight, IMO

[apollo creed]

Good comeback win for GGG, glad to see him back in the ring, but Murata was a classic paper belt holder who had a carefully stage-managed career and hadn't beaten anyone of note. Murata deserves lots of credit for showing the courage to fight GGG and land some big shots early and take a beating, but even a 40-year-old, inactive GGG was a huge step up for him. A 35-year-old GGG would have taken him out in 4 rounds tops.
If I remember correctly, I had GGG up 2 or 3 points in the first Canelo fight, draw/one point either way the second. I don't think the results were anywhere near the worst robbery we've seen, but GGG definitely won the first fight, IMO

Murata was a highly decorated amateur boxer winning the gold medal at the Olympic Games 2012 London, so he is a skilled-good fighter. Indeed that wba belt was pretty much a gift, bc in an ideal boxing world Murata should've fought for it vs Eubank Jr, but it is what it is.

Anyway Murata was a very lucrative-good tune-up fight for GGG.

[caldo2025]

The one thing I haven’t worked out yet, relates to the response that is always cited to anyone that expresses a personal opinion about GGG that isn’t 100% flattering.

For instance:

• Person A: Gennadiy Golovkin’s performance during the first four rounds of the Ryota Murata fight was quite poor.

• Person B: So what!?! GGG is 40 years old and the judges robbed him of victory in both Canelo fights!!!

• Person A: Gennadiy Golovkin will probably lose the Canelo fight in September.

• Person B: So what!?! GGG is 40 years old and the judges robbed him of victory in both Canelo fights!!!

• Person A: GGG has been very inactive during the 3½ years since his 2018 bout against Canelo.

• Person B: So what!?! GGG is 40 years old and the judges robbed him of victory in both Canelo fights!!!

• Person A: I’ve got an itchy backside and I might break wind soon.

• Person B: So what!?! GGG is 40 years old and the judges robbed him of victory in both Canelo fights!!!

Here’s the main & honestly the only point that I’m trying to make with you when it comes to GGG: Why the HELL are you so against this trilogy happening? Are you scared that your Ginger lover might lose to a 40 year older and diminish his legacy? Or are you against the best and most entertaining fights being made?

Because here’s the deal, GGG did his part by winning his eliminator (let’s be honest, this is exactly what the Murata fight was). He’s earned this third fight with Canelo whether you like it or not and whether GGG gets brutally knocked out or what. It’s up to him now if he wants fight or not so just shut up.

The part where it makes zero sense is what Canelo will end up fighting at the end of the year if not GGG. Another title grab somewhere with a no named fighter? You’d rather see that instead of one of the greatest trilogies of our lifetimes?

[giacomino]

Good comeback win for GGG, glad to see him back in the ring, but Murata was a classic paper belt holder who had a carefully stage-managed career and hadn't beaten anyone of note. Murata deserves lots of credit for showing the courage to fight GGG and land some big shots early and take a beating, but even a 40-year-old, inactive GGG was a huge step up for him. A 35-year-old GGG would have taken him out in 4 rounds tops.
If I remember correctly, I had GGG up 2 or 3 points in the first Canelo fight, draw/one point either way the second. I don't think the results were anywhere near the worst robbery we've seen, but GGG definitely won the first fight, IMO

Murata was a highly decorated amateur boxer winning the gold medal at the Olympic Games 2012 London, so he is a skilled-good fighter. Indeed that wba belt was pretty much a gift, bc in an ideal boxing world Murata should've fought for it vs Eubank Jr, but it is what it is.

Anyway Murata was a very lucrative-good tune-up fight for GGG.

As you know, winning an Olympic gold medal means absolutely dick in the pros. Many if not most Olympians don’t make great pros. He is limited as a pro, and has fought carefully hand-picked opposition. That being said, he fought well at times vs GGG and there is nothing wrong with GGG fighting him as a tune up. I was pleased Murata finally fought somebody who was favored to beat him. It showed something

[Enlightened-One]

Here’s the main & honestly the only point that I’m trying to make with you when it comes to GGG: Why the HELL are you so against this trilogy happening?

I am not against seeing Canelo facing GGG. And I never said I was.

In fact, here's a link to a comment I posted to the forum before you submitted this post, where I actually admitted to wanting to see Canelo-Golovkin III.

That said, I'd prefer to see Canelo facing the winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr. and perhaps one or two others though.

Are you scared that your Ginger lover might lose to a 40 year older and diminish his legacy?

I have never expressed on overly-flattering opinion of Canelo.

I have never conveyed a derogatory opinion of GGG.

I don't mind seeing both guys fight each other again, but I do feel that Canelo has bigger fish to fry.

Or are you against the best and most entertaining fights being made?

Canelo-GGG III isn't "the best and most entertaining fight" that can be made.

Because here’s the deal, GGG did his part by winning his eliminator (let’s be honest, this is exactly what the Murata fight was). He’s earned this third fight with Canelo whether you like it or not and whether GGG gets brutally knocked out or what. It’s up to him now if he wants fight or not so just shut up.

GGG had already "earned" the opportunity to face Canelo for a third time, due to a combination of his overall legacy and also the controversial outcomes of his previous bouts against the Mexican.

But let's not pretend that Ryota Murata was anything other than a poor champion.

No fighter automatically deserves an opportunity to fight Canelo, simply by beating a past-their-prime 36-year-old opponent like Murata, who hasn’t accomplished anything notable in the paid ranks within the last decade, hasn’t beaten a current or former legitimate world champion, had never won a legitimate world championship bout, had been inactive for 28 months and has only won two fights within the last four years.

The part where it makes zero sense is what Canelo will end up fighting at the end of the year if not GGG. Another title grab somewhere with a no named fighter? You’d rather see that instead of one of the greatest trilogies of our lifetimes?

I’d rather see Canelo facing Beterbiev, Charlo, Benavidez and Makabu than GGG.

Gennadiy Golovkin is in his forties, is far past-his-prime and his resume from the last 3½ years has been subpar.

I feel that GGG probably loses to the likes of Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, Jermall Charlo, Demetrius Andrade, Jaime Munguia, Chris Eubank Jr. and Sergiy Derevyanchenko nowadays.

And I say that, not because I dislike GGG, but because father time affects all human beings, even somebody a great as Gennadiy Golovkin.

The problem I have with you Caldo, is that you never directly address any of my actual words. You never quote what I actually write and attack my posts head-on.

Instead, you prefer to employ dishonest strawman debating tactics, such as blatantly lying and claiming I believe in things I’ve never once conveyed to the forum, simply because it’s far easier to attack and refute a fictitious argument that no one holds.

For instance: you keep accusing me of being a GGG “hater”, even though you’ve openly admitted to being unable to quote any of my posts as evidence to justify your accusation.

[apollo creed]

EO is so butthurted that Charlito could not put his hands on an old GGG or Canelo.

Charlie is fighting Sulecki next (Jacobs and Andrade leftover), and thats a fact.

[margaret thatcher]

it's a shame that mall's career has become so boring