Boxrec getting sued in federal court

[punchy1]

Boxrec getting sued along with the ABC and alleged organized crime figures.
Told you all to cut it out with not recording fights , picking and choosing and the ABC getting involved as a regulatory body ….

https://boxscorenews.com/us-federal-law ... H5jSekswlU

[H8Usernames]

F that f lawsuit. Agree with boxrecs decisions or disagree with them but it's stupid to argue that the peeps of boxrec aren't acting in good faith and what more can you really ask of anyone other than that they follow their conscience?

Surely nobody expects boxrec to follow the orders of random people with random opinions who have no authority.

[Fightnight Scores]

[margaret thatcher]

lol..........they are suing everyone under the sun

brandon denes *https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/836434) and ivana habazin (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/540056)

Boxers Brendon Denes and Ivana Habazin along with Habazin’s manager Charles Muniz and promoter Edward Mendy have filed a lawsuit for Injunctive Relief and for Damages against BoxRec, BoxRec Officers, Owners and Managers John Sheppard and Marina Sheppard, BoxRec Employee and Agent Sam Lu, the Association of Boxing Commissions, Round 10 Boxing, Dubai Boxing Commission, Round 10 Boxing and Dubai Boxing Commission Officer, Owner and Manager Ahmed Seddiqi, Round 10 Boxing and Dubai Boxing Commission Manager and Employee Jose Mohan, MTK Global, MTK Global Sponsor, Consultant and Controller Daniel Kinahan, and those unnamed defendants acting in concert with and/or conspiring with them.

This particular case (Download or view case files at https://sportmediauk.com/PetitionForDam ... Recv11.pdf ) relates mainly to an event that took place at the Arabian Ranches Golf Club in Dubai in April 2021, and highlights that Boxrec are suppressing results submitted by numerous commissions around the world, something that Mike Mazzulli the President of the North American Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC) has known about for a long time, but constantly has failed to deal with.

Back in 2016 Gianluca Di Caro, Vice President of the British & Irish Boxing Authority (BIBA) highlighted Boxrec’s suppression of results from a number of commissions, including BIBA, to Mr Mazzuli, following the appointment of Boxrec as joint Official Record Keeper for the ABC, along with long time Official Record Keeper Fight Fax.

Mr Di Caro, with assistance from former ABC President Tim Lueckenhof and International Boxing Federation (IBF) Rating Director Anibal Miramontes, compiled a dossier of cases of not just the suppression of results but also ‘doctoring’ of boxers records and clear cases of boxer endangerment, due to Boxrec’s failure to update boxers records or event results, which were submitted to Mr Mazzulli.

Mr Mazzulli sent an e.mail to both Boxrec and FightFax with the heading “Boxrec – details of record manipulation and failure to list events or update records.” In which he wrote; “In an effort to resolve this issue, all ABC Boxing Record Keepers will actively recognise and record all pro boxing contest for all commissions (including those in the United Kingdom) that are sent in by those Boxing Commissions that are recognised by the ABC”

Mr Mazzulli’s instructions were clear enough, yet Boxrec continued to ignore the ABC edict and continues to do so even today, as is clear by this latest case, yet the ABC took no further action against Boxrec.

Due to the lack of action by the ABC, Mr Di Caro submitted substantial case files to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) highlighting Boxrec’s inaccuracies and failures.

More recently Mr Di Caro highlighted the dangers of Boxrec’s action in an article published by British Boxing Scene Magazine (Link to article https://BS.co.uk/news/a ... ommission/ )

In the article Mr Di Caro referred to an e.mail from another former ABC President, Mr Greg Sirb to Mr Mazzulli in which he stated “I have become increasingly frustrated by the way Boxrec (Marina) has single handedly decided what fight results shall be included in the ABC database. Boxrec like Fight Fax is a record Keeper, that is it, they are not a commission, Boxrec does not decide what is a good result and what is not, the fact is that if a boxing result comes in from a commission (anywhere in the World) that result must be posted.”

Yet even after receiving that e.mail, no action has been taken by the ABC to ensure Boxrec complied to Mr Mazzulli’s edict that Boxrec must actively recognise and record all pro boxing contest for all commissions (including those in the United Kingdom).

The current case also highlights the direct involvement of Daniel Kinahan, who is a known leader of an organised crime syndicate that the US Government placed a $5Million reward for information that leads to the arrest of Mr Kinahan and other high ranking leaders of the cartel (Link to article https://news.sky.com/story/us-imposes-r ... g-12588414 )

Mr Kinahan recently received vocal support from Mauricio Suilaimán, President of the World Boxing Council (WBC) (Link to article https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/world ... 73845.html ) at a time when the US Ambassador for Ireland Claire Cronin called for the Boxing World to cut ties with the gang boss (Link to article https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boxing-urged- ... 09385.html )

The case submitted to US Courts will have significant affect on a number of British Boxers, who are signed to and receive financial support from Mr Kinahan and/or MTK, as well as the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) who license MTK promoter Lee Eaton as well as sanction MTK events in the United Kingdom, despite being fully aware of that the financing of these events is from the proceeds of serious crime.

Robert Smith, the general secretary for the British Boxing Board of Control, stated last year there is nothing the BBBofC can do to prevent the continued involvement of Daniel Kinahan in the sport, as he is not licensed by them. (Link to article https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... e-in-sport )

The effect this case could have on the boxing world is far reaching, one that is likely to not only highlight the corruption that is rife in the sport but also affect some of the UK’s top boxing stars, those whose careers have benefitted greatly by them receiving ‘dirty’ money from Kinahan or MTK.

[margaret thatcher]

the lawsuit says the plantiffs bring the case primarily to stop boxrec from holding a monopoly in record keeping

[KiwiRider]

the lawsuit says the plantiffs bring the case primarily to stop boxrec from holding a monopoly in record keeping

That's what I got from it.
But then it's like 10 pm after a dinner party - everyone enjoyed the evening but who stays back to do the dishes?
The answer is Boxrec. They didn't ask to be a monopoly.

[Enlightened-One]

The lawsuit alleges that BoxRec supresses results.

I don’t know how anyone can file a lawsuit to claim damages for statistics not being 100% precise.

[tiny_acres]

The lawsuit alleges that BoxRec supresses results.

I don’t know how anyone can file a lawsuit to claim damages for statistics not being 100% precise.

I agree. Boxrec does not claim to be the official record keeping of the alphabet groups that is fight fax.
I see no merit in this suit

[RScarf1]

I know that FightFax does not recognize unsanctioned bouts. BoxRec does recognize them sometimes, but labels them as unsanctioned. I wonder if FightFax is recognizing the fights that the lawsuit claims BoxRec is omitting.

[RScarf1]

I checked some bouts now and the unsanctioned bouts that I remember no longer have the yellow triangle signifying an unsanctioned bout. Other unsanctioned bouts are labeled that way with red capital letters under the fight information.

[margaret thatcher]

so aside from boxrec, why are they suing like a dozen other ppl/entities? i cant be arsed to read the whole thing, i aint a lawyer doods

[punchy1]

Boxrec is billed as, assigned as and laid to be “boxings official record” keeper by ….. the ABC.
They routinely omit results (see www.wban.com for another article with examples).
The do not recognize results from certain commissions based on misguided “social justice” ,concepts - case in point- boxrec will only recognize if an American loses in Tijuana Mexico now. If that American wins, it does not get recorded. This isn’t from me, it’s from Marina. She feels the rich bloated capitalist Americans are taking advantage of the Mexicans there. How dare they come to Mexico and fight and subsequent enable a poor person to earn what amounts to a small fortune, Unachievable in normal course of employment in Mexico, !
Boxrec is billed as the official record keeper.
Fight fax WAS but they failed to make their data made accessible on line ! That’s what killed
Them. However, fight fax is accurate, whereas boxrec isn’t.
Who cares about some yankee getting a win and a padded record you ask ?
Examine deeper.
If Mr Opponent gets knocked out / injured / etc and boxrec won’t list the result …. Mr opponent fights the next week or in some cases the next night because someone didn’t do their job and record this !
So if Mr opponent loses by KO or gets hurt or whatever , and the wrong nationality beat him… boxrec doesn’t record it. When Mr opponent fights a week later when he should have had 30, 60 or 90 days forced off and a mandatory CT of the brain etc …. That’s setting people up to get killed in the ring.
Bottom line , boxrec is a recording body , NOT a sanctioning body, not a social justice organization.
One last quip - now newly minted commissioners are emailing boxrec their proposed matchups and asking boxrec if they will allow it !!!!!
Backwards world. From a for profit business

[punchy1]

boxrec is playing the role of sanctioning body, and I wish they weren't

Now they have a BSI score that they send the commissioners on each bout determining if it is going to be, according to their system, competitive or not.. This is killing boxing, as Commissioners who don't know a left hook from a fish hook think boxrec is the way, the truth, the life....
And the ABC (who has zero, yes, zero authority over state commissions) is calling commissions and getting bout cancelled the morning of !!!

[RScarf1]

WBAN calls BoxRec as BoxWreck because some women’s bouts are being omitted. I would like to see all bouts included. If you’re going to include unsanctioned bouts, then why not include bouts from all boxing commissions?

WBAN had a computerized rating system for female boxers, but it was flawed, so WBAN recognized BoxRec ratings instead, but now they don’t because of these omissions of bouts. It’s embarrassing that WBAN can legitimately criticize BoxRec, but they can.

[punchy1]

That was my question initially !
They used to have that feature to include unsanctioned bouts- better for everyone. Keeps the fighter safe, records the event, even if it is or is not "official".

Now it's lawless like the wild west.

If you get paid to be "Boxing's Official Record Keeper" and people's safety relies on your recording accurate information so a guy who just got knocked out can't just fight the next week and get brain damaged because now everyone knows, then you need to record every bout.

Lots of bouts known about, but not recorded.

And this association with the shadowy world of organized crime..... wow. Just... wow

[oogiebe]

That was my question initially !
They used to have that feature to include unsanctioned bouts- better for everyone. Keeps the fighter safe, records the event, even if it is or is not "official".

Now it's lawless like the wild west.

If you get paid to be "Boxing's Official Record Keeper" and people's safety relies on your recording accurate information so a guy who just got knocked out can't just fight the next week and get brain damaged because now everyone knows, then you need to record every bout.

Lots of bouts known about, but not recorded.

And this association with the shadowy world of organized crime..... wow. Just... wow

"Wow" wasn't my first thought. Frivolous was.

[margaret thatcher]

That was my question initially !
They used to have that feature to include unsanctioned bouts- better for everyone. Keeps the fighter safe, records the event, even if it is or is not "official".

Now it's lawless like the wild west.

If you get paid to be "Boxing's Official Record Keeper" and people's safety relies on your recording accurate information so a guy who just got knocked out can't just fight the next week and get brain damaged because now everyone knows, then you need to record every bout.

Lots of bouts known about, but not recorded.

And this association with the shadowy world of organized crime..... wow. Just... wow

what's the tie to organized crime?

[punchy1]

Frivolous until a freaking third word opponent type gets ktfo but because his bout and therefore result wasn’t recorded , he fights a week later and becomes a vegetable !

[punchy1]

“ The current case also highlights the direct involvement of Daniel Kinahan, who is a known leader of an organised crime syndicate that the US Government placed a $5Million reward for information that leads to the arrest of Mr Kinahan and other high ranking leaders of the cartel (Link to article https://news.sky.com/story/us-imposes-r ... g-12588414 )

Mr Kinahan recently received vocal support from Mauricio Suilaimán, President of the World Boxing Council (WBC) (Link to article https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/world ... 73845.html ) at a time when the US Ambassador for Ireland Claire Cronin called for the Boxing World to cut ties with the gang boss (Link to article https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boxing-urged- ... 09385.html )”

[margaret thatcher]

what was the involvement of boxrec with kinahan though?

that just says maruicio suliman supported kinny

[gregregegg]

Boxrec isnt perfect, but there is a line that has to be drawn when it comes to recording bouts, and it is literally impossible to get it perfect.

What if "old-gregs boxing commision" in equatorial new guinnie decides to sanction me in "pro fights" against cripples, 1 a day for a year, and i go 365-0.... do people want boxrec recording them? Obviously not. should bouts from BBBoC be recorded, Obviously... but there is many many shades of gray between those two scenarios and at some point someone has to say "yay" Or "nay"....

The truth is i dont know how many pro boxing matches there are that should be legit enough to count but dont, so i dont really know how big the problem is, but on the surface i think boxrec are having a decent crack.

Is there a list anywhere of Commisions boxrec recognise, and commsions they do not? would be cool if boxrec kept that available, and had little notes as to why along with it.

[RScarf1]

Without the yellow triangle that used to be listed next to unsanctioned bouts, these bouts now appear to be sanctioned. I know only because I remember the unsanctioned bouts of a particular boxer. I also noticed an unsanctioned bout that never appeared on another boxer’s record. An article was written about it. The fight happened, but it was such a mismatch that no boxing commission would sanction it. However, a minor sanctioning body, one that I used to have respect for, did sanction the fight for a regional title.

[Lackeos]

For anyone taking punchy1 seriously, you should understand that boxrec is merely trying not to record what they believe to be fake fights, meanwhile punchy1 has been on a crusade to rail against boxrec for that practice. If you look at punchy1's thread creation history, you can see that this is one of the only topics that she has created topics about.
Boxrec getting sued in federal court
Boxrec Endangering Boxers by Listing Seasoned Pros as Debut Pros
Boxrec under fire for blatant inaccuracies!
WBAN Story on boxrec not reporting fights
Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

punch1 seems to always cite the same sources, womensboxing and Global Sports Streaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was affiliated with one of them.

punchy1 has only 160 total posts, and 50 of them are on this one subject. Basically all of the rest are about Stacy Goodson fighters.

[Counter-puncher]

For anyone taking punchy1 seriously, you should understand that boxrec is merely trying not to record what they believe to be fake fights, meanwhile punchy1 has been on a crusade to rail against boxrec for that practice. If you look at punchy1's thread creation history, you can see that this is one of the only topics that she has created topics about.
Boxrec getting sued in federal court
Boxrec Endangering Boxers by Listing Seasoned Pros as Debut Pros
Boxrec under fire for blatant inaccuracies!
WBAN Story on boxrec not reporting fights
Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

punch1 seems to always cite the same sources, womensboxing and Global Sports Streaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was affiliated with one of them.

punchy1 has only 160 total posts, and 50 of them are on this one subject. Basically all of the rest are about Stacy Goodson fighters.

nice research

[tiny_acres]

For anyone taking punchy1 seriously, you should understand that boxrec is merely trying not to record what they believe to be fake fights, meanwhile punchy1 has been on a crusade to rail against boxrec for that practice. If you look at punchy1's thread creation history, you can see that this is one of the only topics that she has created topics about.
Boxrec getting sued in federal court
Boxrec Endangering Boxers by Listing Seasoned Pros as Debut Pros
Boxrec under fire for blatant inaccuracies!
WBAN Story on boxrec not reporting fights
Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

punch1 seems to always cite the same sources, womensboxing and Global Sports Streaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was affiliated with one of them.

punchy1 has only 160 total posts, and 50 of them are on this one subject. Basically all of the rest are about Stacy Goodson fighters.

You are awesome. Great information