Boxrec getting sued in federal court

[punchy1]

Actually I am a pro boxer who almost got my ass handed to me twice ,
1. First time with an opponent sneaking in and using bag gloves against me - when that was determined to be the case heads rolled at the offending commission and there were some firings. Subsequently boxrec kept that bout as official ! LOl
2. I engaged in a war for 8 rounds down in Mexico , bout didn’t get recorded here despite video of the whole
Thing sent to boxrec.

So I have no affiliation with those other organizations. Never had. Thank for playing
I do have a desire for boxrec to halt their stopping fights from happening and stop using misguided social justice as an excuse. I do
Have a desire for
Greater ring safety and accountability. If you CLAIM to be the official record keeper , then maybe you should actually
Keep all the records.

[Lenny Cravats]

For anyone taking punchy1 seriously, you should understand that boxrec is merely trying not to record what they believe to be fake fights, meanwhile punchy1 has been on a crusade to rail against boxrec for that practice. If you look at punchy1's thread creation history, you can see that this is one of the only topics that she has created topics about.
Boxrec getting sued in federal court
Boxrec Endangering Boxers by Listing Seasoned Pros as Debut Pros
Boxrec under fire for blatant inaccuracies!
WBAN Story on boxrec not reporting fights
Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

punch1 seems to always cite the same sources, womensboxing and Global Sports Streaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was affiliated with one of them.

punchy1 has only 160 total posts, and 50 of them are on this one subject. Basically all of the rest are about Stacy Goodson fighters.

nice research

Is Punch1 Punch Pringle?

[punchy1]

No ! Not Punch Pringle ! LOl

There’s a name from the past ! Wow. Old school.

Punch Pringle I don’t think posts anymore. I will have to ask ! Great guy

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

That suit is extremely poorly written.

[HomicideHenry]

For anyone taking punchy1 seriously, you should understand that boxrec is merely trying not to record what they believe to be fake fights, meanwhile punchy1 has been on a crusade to rail against boxrec for that practice. If you look at punchy1's thread creation history, you can see that this is one of the only topics that she has created topics about.
Boxrec getting sued in federal court
Boxrec Endangering Boxers by Listing Seasoned Pros as Debut Pros
Boxrec under fire for blatant inaccuracies!
WBAN Story on boxrec not reporting fights
Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

punch1 seems to always cite the same sources, womensboxing and Global Sports Streaming, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was affiliated with one of them.

punchy1 has only 160 total posts, and 50 of them are on this one subject. Basically all of the rest are about Stacy Goodson fighters.

nice research

Is Punch1 Punch Pringle?

Nope. Bryant "Spartan" Pappas.

[punchy1]

This is correct, Rufus Diefenbaugh aka Homicide Henry ! Hope you are well

FYI_

boxrec also does not record AIBA WSB contests, which are commission licensed and regulated professional bouts by law that can be seen on the state commission schedules. AIBA and the boxers and officials all have licenses that they applied for and paid the fees to engage in pro events. the website for WSB explicitly says it is pro boxing

[punchy1]

quote from respected long time Pennsylvania State Boxing Commissioner Greg Sirb:

“I have become increasingly frustrated by the way Boxrec (Marina) has single handedly decided what fight results shall be included in the ABC database. Boxrec like Fight Fax is a record Keeper, that is it, they are not a commission, Boxrec does not decide what is a good result and what is not, the fact is that if a boxing result comes in from a commission (anywhere in the World) that result must be posted.”

[RScarf1]

quote from respected long time Pennsylvania State Boxing Commissioner Greg Sirb:

“I have become increasingly frustrated by the way Boxrec (Marina) has single handedly decided what fight results shall be included in the ABC database. Boxrec like Fight Fax is a record Keeper, that is it, they are not a commission, Boxrec does not decide what is a good result and what is not, the fact is that if a boxing result comes in from a commission (anywhere in the World) that result must be posted.”

The question I have is why unsanctioned fights are included, but fights from certain commissions are not.

[margaret thatcher]

This is correct, Rufus Diefenbaugh aka Homicide Henry ! Hope you are well

FYI_

boxrec also does not record AIBA WSB contests, which are commission licensed and regulated professional bouts by law that can be seen on the state commission schedules. AIBA and the boxers and officials all have licenses that they applied for and paid the fees to engage in pro events. the website for WSB explicitly says it is pro boxing

wsb fights are recorded, but in the amateur section

[RScarf1]

I see BoxRec has the yellow triangles again signifying unsanctioned fights.

[HomicideHenry]

I see BoxRec has the yellow triangles again signifying unsanctioned fights.

I preferred the old format to BoxRec where they had far more information on the fights and listing what was unsanctioned and what wasn't. Just because a fight is unsanctioned does not mean it's not a professional contest. Otherwise you would have to expunge a lot of fights from many boxers records from the past whenever they fought in jurisdictions where no commissions existed at the time. If you have a license to fight and you are fighting another individual with a license to fight and you are getting paid for it, it's a professional fight, unless both combatants agree to it being listed as an exhibition beforehand.

[RScarf1]

I see BoxRec has the yellow triangles again signifying unsanctioned fights.

I preferred the old format to BoxRec where they had far more information on the fights and listing what was unsanctioned and what wasn't. Just because a fight is unsanctioned does not mean it's not a professional contest. Otherwise you would have to expunge a lot of fights from many boxers records from the past whenever they fought in jurisdictions where no commissions existed at the time. If you have a license to fight and you are fighting another individual with a license to fight and you are getting paid for it, it's a professional fight, unless both combatants agree to it being listed as an exhibition beforehand.

I agree. Apparently, the minor sanctioning bodies agree. They sometimes sanction their title fights on an event that is not sanctioned by a boxing commission. When fights like that are on BoxRec, they are listed as unsanctioned.

[punchy1]

that's the whole soultion -the fights they "dont wish to" record, even the ones by official recognized commissions must be recorded - even if you want to put the "unsanctioned" next to it.... total safety issue

[Lackeos]

If you have a license to fight and you are fighting another individual with a license to fight and you are getting paid for it, it's a professional fight

Does this include staged fights and fights that didn't occur anywhere except on paper? Fake results, etc. I think that's the point, is if someone reports a fight that didn't occur with no witnesses, that it isn't a professional fight. Helps to have a witness from a commission to see the fight and confirm that it isn't a fake result.

[margaret thatcher]

guys have been getting paid for amateur fights for decades now, the last winners at the world amateur championships each got 100k too

[punchy1]

I have video of a fight in mexico , of a whole card, actually, over seen by the local commission, that wasn't recorded by boxrec, because, according to the promoters, they "didn't pay boxrec".....
When presented with the video, boxrec claimed, the bouts wouldn't be recorded, as "they didn't recognize the commission in that area", despite that commission being the arm of the national mexican boxing commission....

[RScarf1]

I have video of a fight in mexico , of a whole card, actually, over seen by the local commission, that wasn't recorded by boxrec, because, according to the promoters, they "didn't pay boxrec".....
When presented with the video, boxrec claimed, the bouts wouldn't be recorded, as "they didn't recognize the commission in that area", despite that commission being the arm of the national mexican boxing commission....

I wasn't aware that BoxRec had to be paid to include a record of a boxing event.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I have video of a fight in mexico , of a whole card, actually, over seen by the local commission, that wasn't recorded by boxrec, because, according to the promoters, they "didn't pay boxrec".....
When presented with the video, boxrec claimed, the bouts wouldn't be recorded, as "they didn't recognize the commission in that area", despite that commission being the arm of the national mexican boxing commission....

I wasn't aware that BoxRec had to be paid to include a record of a boxing event.

I know that if you register as a manager/promoter on BoxRec you have to pay a subscription of some sort.

Unless that’s changed.

[KiwiRider]

I have video of a fight in mexico , of a whole card, actually, over seen by the local commission, that wasn't recorded by boxrec, because, according to the promoters, they "didn't pay boxrec".....
When presented with the video, boxrec claimed, the bouts wouldn't be recorded, as "they didn't recognize the commission in that area", despite that commission being the arm of the national mexican boxing commission....

I wasn't aware that BoxRec had to be paid to include a record of a boxing event.

I know that if you register as a manager/promoter on BoxRec you have to pay a subscription of some sort.

Unless that’s changed.

I think these days, John's just happy with a reach around.

[punchy1]

They want payment for each individual bout listed in upcoming bouts, a well as manager, promoter, etc..

Apparently the promoters in Mexico would not pay them to list the bouts upcoming and didn't pay them to put the results in. In all fairness and full disclosure, the Mexican promoters would try to squeeze the fighters for $$ saying they had to pay boxrec to get the results in....
However, boxrec just refuses to list the results....

[HomicideHenry]

Well if that be the case that BoxRec has become some money making scheme rather than an unbiased record keeper... Then yeah BoxRec should be taken to the cleaners because that goes against the spirit of what BoxRec was always supposed to be about.

[RScarf1]

I thought that the lawsuit was just about BoxRec considering some boxing commissions to be not legitimate and therefore would not post the events and results. I agree that BoxRec should charge money for listing events and each fight if it is a nominal fee to do so. I know that BoxRec is based in the UK, but I'll use American dollars as an example. If BoxRec charged $5 for each event and $1 for each fight and an event had 5 fights, that would be $10. That is something any promoter should be able to afford. Of course, that is a drop in the bucket for major promoters.

I don't think some people realize how detrimental it would be to boxing if BoxRec did not exist. I paid $10 to FightFax just for one boxer's record. BoxRec is free, all active boxers are rated, and it is interactive. The IBO has computer ratings, but it is not interactive and they rate only the top 100 in each division. I think if BoxRec charged nominal fees to list events and fights, then all promoters would agree to it. There is some labor involved in listing this information and BoxRec should be compensated for that, but the fees should not be unreasonable.

[margaret thatcher]

boxrec4life bitchez

[punchy1]

I also think they should be compensated, and should make a profit. I totally agree.
What I don't agree on is, that once you do pay them, they do not deliver the promised upon service.
You , as a promoter pay them to get your bouts listed/ recorded. Then they fail to do so.....
So you are paying an official record keeper that knowingly and willingly does not keep accurate records for no real reason.
That's my problem with boxrec, and what it has become...

[RScarf1]

I also think they should be compensated, and should make a profit. I totally agree.
What I don't agree on is, that once you do pay them, they do not deliver the promised upon service.
You , as a promoter pay them to get your bouts listed/ recorded. Then they fail to do so.....
So you are paying an official record keeper that knowingly and willingly does not keep accurate records for no real reason.
That's my problem with boxrec, and what it has become...

If that is what is happening, then the promoters should at least get their money back.